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I know a lot of people feel let down that the next codex to release is not a xenos race - how would you feel if Battle Sisters were to follow after Thousand Sons? Who really knows? I am excited about the Custodes codex but know that a lot of players want to see new xenos codices.

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 Primark G wrote:
I know a lot of people feel let down that the next codex to release is not a xenos race - how would you feel if Battle Sisters were to follow after Thousand Sons? Who really knows? I am excited about the Custodes codex but know that a lot of players want to see new xenos codices.


It would have certainly been the worst way to release that type of a codex. Imagine if they had done so even just a few months ago, it would've been a much better opportunity to release something like that.
   
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I don't think sisters of battle deserve their own codex. They overlap so heavily with Ministorum.

The next codex should be Necrons. As a faction they're doing awfully.

Orks, Sisters of battle, are actually competent on their index even facing codex armies.

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Ye Gods, not another Sisters thread

Am I the only one that think sisters are mildy interesting but thats as far as it goes?
Like ever.

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 Ratius wrote:
Ye Gods, not another Sisters thread

Am I the only one that think sisters are mildy interesting but thats as far as it goes?
Like ever.


I feel the same, but I can also understand how people are passionate about miniatures they've collected & painted over the years. I am very passionate about my Grey Knights, and most people consider them to be a subfaction not deserving of being a standalone army (and, the rules support this statement anyway). It does seem like Sisters get way more attention than they deserve, but that's also the opinion of someone who isn't really into them in the first place.

All that said, it's pretty much indisputable that Necrons are in the worst shape of anyone in 40k 8th edition right now, and as someone who doesn't play Necrons, nor Sisters, maybe i'm a bit more objective in my analysis that Necrons have more need than Sisters.

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It certainly wouldn't be unsurprising, all they've released since 8th dropped is just more power armor armies.

That being said, I think space puppies is far more likely, what with 1k sons coming out and all.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a leman russ model came out too.

But I frankly don't think sisters are coming out anytime soon, possibly ever. I've heard so many 'rumors' over the years I just don't think it's likely, especially not while they have so much work to do with xenos.

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I feel the same, but I can also understand how people are passionate about miniatures they've collected & painted over the years. I am very passionate about my Grey Knights, and most people consider them to be a subfaction not deserving of being a standalone army (and, the rules support this statement anyway). It does seem like Sisters get way more attention than they deserve, but that's also the opinion of someone who isn't really into them in the first place.


Valid point.

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Seems less than ideal, coming on the back of daemons (which has new models) and custodes (which is basically an entirely new army), this would make it a virtual certainty to be a codex without new units or models. Given SoB current state, this would be received about as well as the admech codex was.

A late spring or summer release might be more likely and gives a better chance of having actual models.
   
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Holy Bait Batman!

You're drawing up a false equivalence here, between an entirely new faction that existed in nothing more than passing mention previously (there are Custodes. They have banana hats and spearguns. They guard the palace) and which share extremely significant design overlap with existing "marines but marinier" factions, and Sisters of Battle, which would be one of the most highly asked-for model line reboots by veterans of the hobby ever.

In order of which factions actually need a codex update to be playable, you've got Tau and Necrons about tied (necrons a bit behind tau because tau at least have a Flyrant in their index) and then Dark Eldar functioning a bit better than those two. Which is good, because the rumored release schedule has those three as the next three books.

I know that GW has never been about that whole "don't oversaturate your core customer base with minor variations on the most popular themes" business practice, but if you can't see the difference between a ministorum reboot and a faction that is basically Grey Knights - psychic powers + a couple unique weapons...I dunno what to say.
   
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I'm amused by the suggestion that SoB aren't just another minor variation on marines gameplay wise yet custodes are.

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 Ratius wrote:
Ye Gods, not another Sisters thread

Am I the only one that think sisters are mildy interesting but thats as far as it goes?
Like ever.


I personally think SoB are the ONLY faction in 40k that are interesting enough to actually play long term. To each their own.

As for SoB codex, I want it all the time forever; but without new models it's not going to help much.


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I'm amused by the suggestion that SoB aren't just another minor variation on marines gameplay wise yet custodes are.


I have that same thought, only replace 'SoB' with 'any chaos army'.


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 Marmatag wrote:
 Ratius wrote:
Ye Gods, not another Sisters thread

Am I the only one that think sisters are mildy interesting but thats as far as it goes?
Like ever.


I feel the same, but I can also understand how people are passionate about miniatures they've collected & painted over the years. I am very passionate about my Grey Knights, and most people consider them to be a subfaction not deserving of being a standalone army (and, the rules support this statement anyway). It does seem like Sisters get way more attention than they deserve, but that's also the opinion of someone who isn't really into them in the first place.

All that said, it's pretty much indisputable that Necrons are in the worst shape of anyone in 40k 8th edition right now, and as someone who doesn't play Necrons, nor Sisters, maybe i'm a bit more objective in my analysis that Necrons have more need than Sisters.


Rules, YES; Models NO. And SoB get as much attention as they do from the community because of how little they get from GW. If we had a full line of plastics and a codex we'd fall into the background din of 'marine whiners' alongside thousand sons/blood angels/dark angels/space wolves/heretic astartes players.

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I can't wait for the xenos books arrive for 2 reasons.

1.) less "omg give xenos now!!!1" threads
2.) more "my xenos codex isn't the way I wanted!!!1" threads

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I would be equally annoyed.

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 Primark G wrote:
I know a lot of people feel let down that the next codex to release is not a xenos race - how would you feel if Battle Sisters were to follow after Thousand Sons? Who really knows? I am excited about the Custodes codex but know that a lot of players want to see new xenos codices.


It depends. If its comes with plastic SoB? I'l llove it. If it is just a Codex without anything more besides Celestine sold separately? A little dissapointed, because some Xenos like Ork or Necron should come first, to add some more variety to the lists and meta. A good ork or Necron codex will shake the meta much more than a good SoB codex just based in number of armies out there.

And rule wise SoB are literally in the same spot compared with Marines than Custodes but the opposite. Sisters can be described as Marines -1S and -1T. Custodes are marines with +1S and +1T. (Of course Sisters have much more nuance to their gameplay, with acts of faith, Ministorum units, etc... Just like Custodes will have with their own codex)

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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I'm honestly going to be fairly annoyed if the next codex is anything but a xenos faction, I don't even care if it's an army I don't play. There are 7 imperium codexes out or announce, 4 chaos codexes out or announced, and 2 Xenos codexes out or announced.

Let's try a little balance.

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 Marmatag wrote:
I don't think sisters of battle deserve their own codex. They overlap so heavily with Ministorum.


I can think of no army in any game that deserves their own codex more than sisters. Twice they have had to deal with a bs fold out from a white dwarf.

They had a codex in 2nd ed in 1997, waited 5 years and then got rolled up in into witch hunters under inquisition in 2004 for 3rd. Noting in 4th, got a handful of pages and had them called a dex in 2011 in a white dwarf. Got a codex that just reprinted the gak they already had in 2013, and then the index lists.

They absolutely deserve a codex, and a dense plastic sprue for their base infantry

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A solid Sisters of Battle codex with new models? Thats literally the only thing that will bring me back to playing 40k, and the only release i'll care about.
   
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Chalk me up as someone who would be interested in a Sisters of Battle army if it got updated and had a lot of new toys to bring the army into line with everyone else at last. However, I do think it will end up being Codex: Adeptus Ministorum rather than SoB.

Personally I don't care what order GW release the codex books in just so long as they all get done. GW have said that they want to bring the focus back onto the Chaos vs Imperium narrative so I can fully understand the love they seem to be throwing out for both of those armies. Peeps ned to be patient. You will get your own xenos codex books soon enough.

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As has been stated by others, Index sisters actually hold their own pretty good, so I'm less interested in a new codex release on its own, and would much rather see it accompanied by a plastic model release.

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I'd be ecstatic if Sisters were given a proper treatment. That would be multiple kits with an included flyer because with the Ministorum models they are a complete army. They vastly outnumber all the marines out there due to their deployment. Realistically given their mandate there should be a squad of two on every planet with more than a token Ministorum presence.
   
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The irony of the mods just locking a sisters thread, only to have a new one pop up. At least the dream will never die

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If GW releases new plastic SoB they have done a great job keeping it hush hush.

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 Bluepuffoflogic wrote:
I'm honestly going to be fairly annoyed if the next codex is anything but a xenos faction, I don't even care if it's an army I don't play. There are 7 imperium codexes out or announce, 4 chaos codexes out or announced, and 2 Xenos codexes out or announced.

Let's try a little balance.

This. It should be Necrons by all rights given the difficulty they've been having competitively.

New models for xenos armies would he nice too. Y know, just to break the mould.
   
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Plastic sisters...

As many said. They would likely fly out the shelves and be unavailable online for weeks of they where to to be released with a new codex and plastic tanks.

If true.. They would be shipping sisters out the thousand from Nottingham.

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Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.


Because it's been built up into this weird holy grail type situation. Honestly idk how much they'd sell. I'd be tempted to get them, but it really depends on finances and what else came out recently.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.

People would buy them because "back in the day" the player numbers weren't this high. The player base has exploded out since then. People STILL buy the metal models just to play the army. They even caused the new sisters canonness to sell out online for multiple weeks. Clearly there is more than enough there to sell, GW is just too stupid to see it.

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 mmzero252 wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.

People would buy them because "back in the day" the player numbers weren't this high. The player base has exploded out since then. People STILL buy the metal models just to play the army. They even caused the new sisters canonness to sell out online for multiple weeks. Clearly there is more than enough there to sell, GW is just too stupid to see it.

If the player base is 900% larger now...you could expect demand for each type of modle to go up evenly - so they'd make more selling another kind of model that isn't sisters. Sisters of battle is probably the army with the least actual interest for obvious reasons. The 20 or so people on dakka that never shut up about sisters are likely the only ones that want to play the dang army.

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 Xenomancers wrote:
 mmzero252 wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.

People would buy them because "back in the day" the player numbers weren't this high. The player base has exploded out since then. People STILL buy the metal models just to play the army. They even caused the new sisters canonness to sell out online for multiple weeks. Clearly there is more than enough there to sell, GW is just too stupid to see it.

If the player base is 900% larger now...you could expect demand for each type of modle to go up evenly - so they'd make more selling another kind of model that isn't sisters. Sisters of battle is probably the army with the least actual interest for obvious reasons. The 20 or so people on dakka that never shut up about sisters are likely the only ones that want to play the dang army.


Yeah. Just like Custodes.

And I don't understand the reasoning that people follows. "A new kit should appeal to EVERYBODY to be economically viable": Do you know what is a "target"? Sisters of Battle by their own nature are very distinct.That means that they will be attractive to a group of customers that maybe don't buy other factions because they don't like them, just like they did with "Tau" and the asian-anime-scifi aesthetic.

Its a way to open your range of potential customers. Not everything you do should appeal to everybody. Just like at Kharadron Overlords from AoS. Is not about making "generic" factions that everyone kinda of likes. Is about making factions with strong themes that a group of people LOVES, even if that means others people HATE it.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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The codex is irrelevant, it is the new models that count. I really cannot think anything that I'd prefer GW to release over plastic SoB models.

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