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Made in gb
Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot





Wisbech

HQ

Praetor
Cataphractii Armour
Paragon Blade

Centurian
Siege Breaker


Elites

Cataphractii Terminator Squad
Heavy flamer with chem munitions
Chainfist
Three pairs of lightning claws
Rad grenades


Troops

Legion Tactical Squad

Legion Tactical Squad

Legion Tactical Support Squad
6 Marines
Chem munitions

Legion Tactical Support Squad
8 Marines
8 Plasma guns

Rhino
Multi-melta

Rhino
Multi-melta

Legion Heavy Support Squad
5 Missile launchers


Heavy Support

Land Raider Phobos
Multi-melta

Sicaran Venator
Lascannon sponsons

Predator Squadron
2 predators


All together that should be 2000 points exactly. To be able to play this list I just need the 8 plasma guns (just the guns themselves), another rhino and the two predators.

Support squads ride around in the rhinos, flamers look for targets either in good cover or that are weak to flamers, jump out, fire, then try to get back in the rhino to do it again. Plasma squad hunts down heavy infantry like terminators or the nastier mechanicus stuff. Tactical squads sit on objectives. Siege breaker and missiles sit in a high position for LOS and try to wreck enemy armour with the venator and predators, land raider is mostly a distraction. Nobody I play against like to leave a land raider roaming around. Terminators and praetor advance and engage at will.

I know it's not a great list, but I'm working with what Ive got. Please by all means pick the list apart and tell me what I can do differently to write a better list!
   
Made in us
Abel





Washington State

There is no reason to ever put a Praetor in any version of terminator armor. A Praetor already comes with Artificer Armor, you can give him an Iron Halo, and have all the bonuses without any of the negative benefits of Cataphracti armor- can't run, can't sweeping advance. Then you can add the Paragon Blade, master craft it, and give him digital lasers and he'll be great.

Flamers in 30K pretty much suck. EVERYTHING in 30K has a 3+- you are fighting marines vs. marines. Yeah, there is the Mechanicum that has a couple units with 4+ or 5+, but in general, everything you fight will be MSU- T4, 3++.

The Legion Tactical Squads are only 10 models and "Plain Jane"? Always a good idea to give the sergeant Artificer Armor and a P-fist or Power Weapon. Dueling in 30K is a thing, and some armies have to issue challenges. Having a Sergeant that can at least swing before he is erased is a good idea. 10 Model Tactical Squads are easily removed from the game. The "Optimal Squad" for foot slogging is 15 models, Sgt w/ Artificer Armor, and some kind of power weapon. Sometimes melta bombs. It is critical that you use Apothecaries with a foot slogging squad.

The #1 threat in your list (to me) is the Support Squad with Plasma in the Rhino. Protect those guys at all costs! There is an over abundance of light anti-tank weapons in this game.

Love the Rhino's with Multimeltas. Not enough players realize the utility of a Rhino armed with a heavy weapon like that.

The Sicaran Venator can very happily exist without Lascannon sponsons. Just about anything you shoot with it's main gun will die. The Lascannons just add a huge over kill factor and are a waste of points.

You would be better off converting the Predators into Plasma Executioners. A "Plain Jane" Predator is, at best, a nuisance. Give 'em Lascannons, or Plasma, or something.

The Land Raider Phobos is pretty meh compared to the Proteus or Achillis. The Proteus is usually taken for the ability to take an extra TL Lascannon (three TL LC's!!!).

A huge weakness you have is no anti-aircraft. A Fire Raptor, Lightning, or Xaphone is going to rip you up. Might consider some form of Anti Air.

That's what I see at first blush. It's not a bad list, just inefficient. Every meta is different though, and this list might do well in yours. In mine... it would get slaughtered.

Kara Sloan shoots through Time and Design Space for a Negative Play Experience  
   
Made in gb
Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot





Wisbech

Unfortunately this list is based on what I have. As of yet most is unbuilt. I have 1 rhino, venator, terminators, siege breaker, missiles and praetor (Tribune in tartaros armour, plan on replacing soon).

I dont have the second rhino or the predators yet, and I need to buy the plasmas for the support squad. I'll adjust the list tonight after film night with the missus.
   
Made in gb
Regular Dakkanaut




From a lore based perspective you should limit your use of transports and should be equipping models with as much and as much other the best stuff as possible, also squadsof 7 would fit the lore, mortarion liked his 7s, however your hobby your choice. My 1500pts list is a preator (combi flamer, lightning claw) a mortait, 2 tac squads, 5 man flamer squad, 5 man missile squad, contemptor (2 assault cannons) 5 terminators, power fists and combi flamers and auto cannon and a conversion Beamer predator.
   
Made in gb
Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot





Wisbech

Attempt 2 -

HQ

Praetor
Iron Halo
Master crafted paragon blade
Digital lasers
Rad grenades

Centurion
Siege breaker


Elites

Apothecary
Power sword

Cataphractii terminators
3 pairs of lightning claws
Chainfist
Heavy flamer w/chem munitions
Rad grenades

Contemptor Mortis
Kheres pattern assault cannons


Troops

Tactical squad
15 marines
Artificer armour
Power sword

Support squad
6 marines
Chem munitions

Support squad
8 marines
8 plasma guns

Rhino
Multi melta

Rhino
Multi melta

Heavy support squad
5 missile launchers
Flakk missiles


Heavy Support

Predator strike squadron
2 Predators
Lascannon sponsons

Sicaran Venator


Ive taken some of what was said on board, and adjusted the list to make those changes, while trying to keep my required purchases as cheap as possible. Not a whole lot of AA added, but I dont think Ill be up against many flyers. Flamers stay for both fluff reasons, and to annoy a friend that plays Mechanicum. I removed the land raider as I can afford a proteus (model wise) and the phobos added very little to the list other than a big distraction.

What do you guys think?
   
Made in gb
Lesser Daemon of Chaos





Are you running "The Reaping?" Otherwise you don't have enough compulsary troops options. I'd want at least 2 Tac blobs to absorb fire before I considered a ton of support squads.

Have you considered running Outflanking vets with flamers (if you are intent on flamers)? They'd have much more mobility and usefulness. So Drop the tacs all together. Run Pride of the Legion and have 3 squads of vets with double flamers, plus the plasma support squad. Considering your limited options, Pride seems like a better ROW than The Reaping.

I'd also drop the sponsons on the Preds as they're better as cheap light vehicles. Spend the extra points on more Apothecaries/melta bombs for your Vet squads.
   
Made in gb
Regular Dakkanaut




Even with the reaping he doesn’t have enough troops, the heavy support squad becomes non compulsory troops, it would fit into a onslaught detachment
   
Made in gb
Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot





Wisbech

Attempt three. Runnung the Reaping as I want the rad grenades to weaken enemies, I can see myself facing my friends mechanicum a lot. If it doesn't look like it'll work I can switch to pride of the legion and put the two tactical squads into one, giving them much more survivability, freeing up at least 10 points, and another 20 from rad grenades. Just let me know what you think.

Praetor
Master crafted paragon blade
Digital lasers
Iron halo
Rad grenades

Centurion
Siege breaker

Veteran tactical squad
Artificer armour
Power fist

Terminator squad
Cataphractii armour
Heavy flamer
Chainfist
Three pairs of lightning claws
Rad grenades

Apothecary
1 Apothecary
Power sword

Tactical squad
Artificer armour

Tactical squad
Artificer armour

Tactical support squad
8 marines
8 plasma guns

Heavy support squad
5 missile launchers
Flakk missiles

Land raider phobos
Multi melta

Sicaran Venator

Rhino
Multi melta

Rhino
Multi Melta


Praetor, Apothecary and veterans take a rhino and find things to hit, terminators do the same, land raider shooting armour as they go. Plasma squad picks targets and kills them, sicaran and heavy squad do the same with armour, or flyers in the case of missiles. Tactical squads sit on objectives, only really moving if I need to push on other objectives.
   
Made in gb
Lesser Daemon of Chaos





The Landraider will get mulched if you're sending it up the field on it's own. Your list is too disjointed. You either need to go hard on the mobility (not a DG strength) So drop the support squads and bring your preds and other armour to push up the table. Or you need to drop the Landraider and the rhinos and take bigger infantry squads and gun line.

Do not switch to pride of the Legion if you're just going to blob one tac squad and then take a terminator squad for minimum troops because your enemy only has to kill one small squad of terminators and you concede an extra victory point as per the ROW.

If you run pride, you should run the tacs as Vets and have 3 squads of them plus the terminators.

If you stick to the reaping, you should get rid of the transports as it's not fluffy and it won't perform well anyway. For the sake of like 3 rad grenades, it's really not worth it.

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