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This list should provide the tools you need against almost any other list, unless specific tailoring etc.
In my view other competitive lists like Reaper/Spears spam might be more competitive in certain meta's but they can be less flexible resulting in more hard counters, which for me makes them less appealing.
Heavy Support 9x Dark Reapers, 1x Exarch Tempest Launcher
Outrider Detachment +1CP (Alaitoc)
HQ (Warlord) Autarch Skyrunner: Banshee Mask, Laser Lance, Reaper Launcher, Shuriken Pistol, Twin Shuriken Catapult, Seer of the Shifting Vector, Shimmerplume of Achillrial
Fast Attack 5x Shining Spears, 1x Exarch Star Lance
5x Shining Spears, 1x Exarch Star Lance
5x Shining Spears, 1x Exarch Star Lance
Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Alaitoc)
Flyer 3x Hemlocks: Jinx, Spirit Stones
Deployment and Tactics
Spoiler:
This is probably the most general way to deploy and use the army and should fit most games. This of course can (and should) change depending on terrain, missions, opponent etc.
Shining Spears
Spears starts in cover as close to edge to the enemy as possible. Utilize cover and placement as effective as possible to get within firing distance ASAP.
Autarch
Autarch goes with spears but also tries to deploy to utilize re-rolls for other units if possible. Autarch then moves with spears to target characters or eat overwatch for the 3 spears units where possible.
Rangers
Rangers screen, sets up in cover, preferably on objectives if possible.
Hemlocks
Hemlocks set up in the back to screen the backfield then moves forward when appropriate to assist with screening and nuking.
Farseer, Conclave and Reapers
This trio can choose to start in hiding or deep strike to the best possible location in cover or screened by other units. Farseer usually hides within 6" of the Reapers. Conclave goes in to hiding within 6" of Farseer, Jinx'ing out of range of DTW. They Conceal/Protect Reapers as needed. This trio usually tries to deploy together, in range etc, to utilize stratagems (Forewarned, Seer Council etc) but that depends on opponents army and deployment.
Basically the army works as one so the standard deployment aims to set up everything together on one flank or center, in cover and as far forward as possible, while leaving no room for enemy deep strikers to hit units like Spears or Reapers easily. Then it usually moves and engages one front of the enemy together. Reapers and psykers deploys and/or web way strikes when needed.
Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
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I highly recommend a Serpent for the Reapers, Farseer & Warlocks. You need to drop 2 warlocks to fit them all in, but that is my next suggestion. Conclaves are garbage and will be easy pickens for the enemy (they do not have the Character keyword). 2 Spiritseers cost less than 3 Warlocks and are vastly superior, and you'd be able to fit all 9 reapers, 1 Farseer and 2 Spiritseers into a single Serpent to prevent alpha strikes
You can easily rejig the points to fit in the Serpent. For example, you can trade 1 hemlock for a Crimson Hunter Exarch, drop 2 Shining Spears and trade the Conclave for 2 Spiritseers. That's 147pts saved, enough for a triple Shuricannon Waveserpent with Spirit stones.
If you decide to use Spiritseers, I would do Quicken and Protect. Your Hemlocks with have Jinx covered, and if you put the Reapers in Cover, you don't really need Conceal. There is also Lightening fast reflexes I you need it. You can then use Quicken on a 5-man unit of Spears to basically charge whatever you want, engaging several targets to prevent them from shooting. Protect is also quick useful on Spears as it bumps them to 2+/3++, making them flying Stormshield Terminators (against shooting at least)
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Sarigar wrote: What type of missions do you normally play with this list?
Mostly ITC and BRB missions.
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wuestenfux wrote: Well, not a bad list. All models and units have a role.
How about Illic Nightspear?
Don't own the model but I can see him being used in tandem with the warlord for better character sniping. Been toying with the idea to test him him but haven't gotten around to do it.
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Galef wrote: I highly recommend a Serpent for the Reapers, Farseer & Warlocks. You need to drop 2 warlocks to fit them all in, but that is my next suggestion. Conclaves are garbage and will be easy pickens for the enemy (they do not have the Character keyword).
2 Spiritseers cost about that same as 3 Warlocks and are vastly superior, and you'd be able to fit all 9 reapers, 1 Farseer and 2 Spiritseers into a single Serpent to prevent alpha strikes
You can easily rejig the points to fit in the Serpent. For example, you can trade 1 hemlock for a Crimson Hunter Exarch, drop 2 Shining Spears and trade the Conclave for 2 Spiritseers. That's 147pts saved, enough for a triple Shuricannon Waveserpent with Spirit stones.
If you decide to use Spiritseers, I would do Quicken and Protect. Your Hemlocks with have Jinx covered, and if you put the Reapers in Cover, you don't really need Conceal. There is also Lightening fast reflexes I you need it.
You can then use Quicken on a 5-man unit of Spears to basically charge whatever you want, engaging several targets to prevent them from shooting. Protect is also quick useful on Spears as it bumps them to 2+/3++, making them flying Stormshield Terminators (against shooting at least)
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The serpent is a choice but for my list i viewed the point as better suited in other places. Practically the Serpent would be turn 1 protection for reapers\farseer and warlocks. But I can manage this with Webway Strike instead. This is also why i go for the Conclave. Protect is there because i take Jinx on the Conclave but i find that Protect on Alaitoc Reapers keeps them alive quite a bit longer. Quicken is good yes though i can usually get the spears/autarch in shooting range without it.
The Conclave vs single Warlocks/spiritseers gives me these benefits:
The Conclave keeps the warlocks in 1 unit so 3CP for Reapers and Conclave to webstrike, Farseer uses the Relic to DS. This let's me DS the trio where i want if needed.
Conclave let's me debuff (Jinx) priority units without deny the witch since 36" cast.
Conclave doesn't need LOS so can hide far away and quite well like inside 2nd floor buildings etc.
Conclave with 4 Warlocks has "ok" Smite and can fight back in a pinch.
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X078 wrote: The serpent is a choice but for my list i viewed the point as better suited in other places. Practically the Serpent would be turn 1 protection for reapers\farseer and warlocks. But I can manage this with Webway Strike instead. This is also why i go for the Conclave. Protect is there because i take Jinx on the Conclave but i find that Protect on Alaitoc Reapers keeps them alive quite a bit longer. Quicken is good yes though i can usually get the spears/autarch in shooting range without it.
The Conclave vs single Warlocks/spiritseers gives me these benefits:
The Conclave keeps the warlocks in 1 unit so 3CP for Reapers and Conclave to webstrike, Farseer uses the Relic to DS. This let's me DS the trio where i want if needed.
Conclave let's me debuff (Jinx) priority units without deny the witch since 36" cast.
Conclave doesn't need LOS so can hide far away and quite well like inside 2nd floor buildings etc.
Conclave with 4 Warlocks has "ok" Smite and can fight back in a pinch.
Good points for sure. I personally think using 3CPs is a waste to Webway 2 units (that aren't Dragons or Wraithguard), but to each their own. If you can hide the Conclave rather than Webway them in, that allows you to keep 2CPs, which are very valuable to Eldar (not only because we have good stratagems, but also because we don't get as many CPs as other armies)
That way you can hide the Conclave, Webway the Reapers and Drop in the Farseer using the relic and only use 1CP total. Otherwise, it looks like you have it well thought out.
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X078 wrote: The serpent is a choice but for my list i viewed the point as better suited in other places. Practically the Serpent would be turn 1 protection for reapers\farseer and warlocks. But I can manage this with Webway Strike instead. This is also why i go for the Conclave. Protect is there because i take Jinx on the Conclave but i find that Protect on Alaitoc Reapers keeps them alive quite a bit longer. Quicken is good yes though i can usually get the spears/autarch in shooting range without it.
The Conclave vs single Warlocks/spiritseers gives me these benefits:
The Conclave keeps the warlocks in 1 unit so 3CP for Reapers and Conclave to webstrike, Farseer uses the Relic to DS. This let's me DS the trio where i want if needed.
Conclave let's me debuff (Jinx) priority units without deny the witch since 36" cast.
Conclave doesn't need LOS so can hide far away and quite well like inside 2nd floor buildings etc.
Conclave with 4 Warlocks has "ok" Smite and can fight back in a pinch.
Good points for sure. I personally think using 3CPs is a waste to Webway 2 units (that aren't Dragons or Wraithguard), but to each their own. If you can hide the Conclave rather than Webway them in, that allows you to keep 2CPs, which are very valuable to Eldar (not only because we have good stratagems, but also because we don't get as many CPs as other armies)
That way you can hide the Conclave, Webway the Reapers and Drop in the Farseer using the relic and only use 1CP total.
Otherwise, it looks like you have it well thought out.
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Yes, indeed fair points. If i can deploy without the use of webway strike to conserve CP that's the way to go. The Webway Strike is normally plan B and mostly used defensively when up against a tough Alpha/Beta strikes to disrupt the planning as much as possible. But if there is a need for some deployment tactics to hit hard to reach units then it's also useful.
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