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As a wee slip of a grot subsisting on a dry diet of Ral Partha products, the original Adeptus Titanicus box cover was like a bolt from the blue (that and the notion of there being a game that one could play in mere hours instead of days, with plastic miniatures, and shields, and close combat worth a dang!). Anyone remember what the scale of those Titans was? They were vastly out of scale with what they were supposed to be, but it looked so cool...
   
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They were 1:300 scale I think. Or 6mm. Or maybe that's the same thing...

Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!

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Yes, the predominant scale for GW's epic line was 6mm (1:300) but it wasn't exact.
   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps




United Kingdom

This cover?

Spoiler:
   
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Oddly, given how many crew are meant to be in the Titan's bonce, that's not that far off the proper scale!

Interesting tidbit I'll never get bored of sharing.... When originally designed, they had no plans to make infantry, or even really tanks for the system. So they just made the Warlord 'Whatever' scale - because at that point, they'd only ever be duffing each other up.

Hence they've always looked somewhat out of scale to the rest of the Epic line, and why they're embiggening the scale on the resizograph, rather than simply running the 40k scale ones through the debigulator for the remake.

   
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Well I don't know about that. They did have articles in White Dwarf for vehicles pretty quickly after AT was released, with models released in metal.







And the rules were a lot more detailed than what followed in the SMv1 game. Infantry rules followed in White Dwarf too. Then after a year everything was refined and then released as SMv1 the box set. Keep in mind game development at GW HQ wasn't on a strict schedule as today. A lot of minis followed where the rules took even longer to appear or not even at all (like Eldar Aspect Warriors) until SMv2.

As far as scale, in art many vehicles and titans are shown in all sorts of crazy scales, much of it to make the models look more dramatic.Look at the SMv2 Squat vehicles like the Land Train and so on. In the art, these were massive machines, but in miniature format the Land Train wasn't much bigger than a Land Raider. I guess you could argue the size of titans from your favorite artworks, but there is a detailed description of 'Battle Titans' in the AT rulebook and it has them standing between 40 and 80 feet tall (pg 5).

I would say the titan minis are pretty close in scale with the early epic stuff released in the AT/SMv1/Codex Titanicus days. But once SMv2 came along, it seems like scale was thrown out the window.

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I'm going off info given first hand at Warhammerfest.

The infantry and tanks might've come closely after, but when the Titans were designed, they were no particular scale. The infantry were the smolest they could make them and still be distinctive at the time.

   
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It could be the success of the game would determine how much more was invested by GW in expanding the system. I know the reason that only one kind of sprue was made was because they didn't have the money for a second. It could be Jervis always had the idea for tanks and infantry (as the rules for them came pretty quickly) but GW didn't have the money to do it all at once.

BTW: I love this game, and I love SMv1. The REAL Horus Heresy.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oddly, given how many crew are meant to be in the Titan's bonce,


Five, you mean?
   
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But not crammed in like Sardines! There’s a lot of tech to make room for as well.


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KTG17 wrote:
It could be the success of the game would determine how much more was invested by GW in expanding the system. I know the reason that only one kind of sprue was made was because they didn't have the money for a second. It could be Jervis always had the idea for tanks and infantry (as the rules for them came pretty quickly) but GW didn't have the money to do it all at once.

BTW: I love this game, and I love SMv1. The REAL Horus Heresy.


Much as it’s been spinning gold for GW in the 28mm scale, I absolutely agree that Epic scale will always be the true home of the Heresy. How else can one wipe out entire companies in a single Titan volley? Or cut down a might Warlord with dozens of Landraiders?

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Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

Adeptus Titanicus was GW's answer to the success of Battletech. At time of release Battletech was at its zenith, the clans had just invaded and were supported by multipart miniatures that were crisp and rather good looking.

Battletech has always been an also-ran game, loved by its fans and with a very dedicated following, but never the main event.

It is understandable that at release only titans were relevant to the game, and it was set in the Horus Heresy era solely because the game could then spam out one multipart model.

It was the interest in adding other races that evolved into the combined arms approach of Epic.

As for scale GW has always been disinterested in scale whether for the number of goons appearing for a supposedly dying faction or the size of a warship or Titan. Rule of cool and plot expediency was given too much head. Only with the chapter size of the Adeptus Astartes has GW shown any constraint, and that was thrown out of the window with what can be achieved.

Much is explainable though. The Imperium in particular are big on Moral Truth. Titans are depicted looming over mountains, and this could very well be in canon propaganda for the Imperium of Man. Citizens would be well advised not to question a preacher who tells them that the Emperors titans are as big as the artwork predicts. It's a sign of the Emperors might, and when Traitor or Xenos war engines are depicted as being just as big, its a sign of faith because a handful of Space Marines can bring it down. 40K has always had a get out clause for the miscales of its game, but I doubt they have realised this yet.


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Also - anyone else close to chewing their own leg off for the sake of solid information on the new version? Like actual pics from the studio of the actual models?

I was one of the first to know of the rebirth, as a I spotted the banner at Warhammerfest, and reported on BoLS, and even clarified it was a new miniatures game and not the computer version being shown off on the same day. And so very, very little has been heard since that is completely reliable (lots of conflicting info from what I've seen).

I want my big stompy death teams now!!!

   
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No, you're not alone.

Sadly, the vagaries of release schedules and changing plans have set back the triumphant return of AT.

But I'm heartened that we'll get plastic Titans and good FW support when it does happen.
   
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Yep - chewing my limbs off as we speak. Every time there's a major event on at Warhammer World I'm all "Aha! Now we'll know!"

And then we don't. :-(
   
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Indeed.

I'm stoked they're 'upgrading' to plastic over resin (personal preference is all). But man, I'd love to get at least a glimpse of some mock-up Titans, or even some sneaky preview artwork.


   
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New will rock, of course. But there was an option for a rulebook with that classic box art I'd be all over it.
   
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Actually, after seeing some of the early pics of the new AT, no I have to say I am not enthused. Especially with that master control sheet thing it looks like you are going to need to each titan.

Here is why:

AT evolved into Epic. And as much as I love Titans, I love the idea of Epic even more. Epic involved an awesome mix of different units where each had their own role on the battlefield. Its one thing to see several Titans going at it on a table top. Its another to see several Titans going at it surrounded by infantry and vehicles. I think in any other universe, a Titan only game is just as boring as just a infantry/vehicle game. Its what GW had that no one else really had.

If they go all in on a AT only game that isn't later to expanded to include infantry and vehicles, or if the rules for them is so detailed that its too messy to use with infantry and vehicles, then I wont invest in it. I would hope they think long term on bringing Epic back rather than doing a one-off AT game.

Someone mentioned the influence of Battletech on AT, but I bet few know what influenced Battletech:

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/8780/battle-stanrey

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/14165/battle-kalnock

Both were made by a Japanes company called Takara and are based on a Japanese anime called Dougram (where FASA got many of their unseen mechs from). There was a comapny called TCI that imported these games into the US in the early 1980s, and I guess FASA was a fan because Battletech soon followed. TCI even supplied the early model kits to FASA for their Battletech scenario packs.

TCI did insert a shortened translated rulebook for each game for the games THEY sold here, but not every box set on Ebay has them. I have both and asked about the rules with someone who was fluent in Japanese and there is a lot left out of those TCI rulebooks.

I love Dougram, and love these games. But I doubt the average gamer or even Battletech fan would like them them that much.

But I guess you can argue: Dougram -> Battletech -> Adeptus Titanicus.
   
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The control thingies are something I'm looking forward to the most.

Whilst not present in the original Adeptus Titanicus,, we did see them turn up for the Imperator Titan and Mega Gargants in Titan Legions.

They added a further dimension to controlling the biggest, shootiest things in the game - resource management.

To have that as a feature for all the models intrigues me (if it even makes it through. Plenty of change possible)

   
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A character sheet per titan would't have been my preferred choice - but I'll roll with it, particularly if approach is detailed titan-on-titan action with the personality of the mind spirit showing through.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The control thingies are something I'm looking forward to the most.

Whilst not present in the original Adeptus Titanicus,, we did see them turn up for the Imperator Titan and Mega Gargants in Titan Legions.

They added a further dimension to controlling the biggest, shootiest things in the game - resource management.

To have that as a feature for all the models intrigues me (if it even makes it through. Plenty of change possible)


So if you are playing with 6 titans per side, then where is everyone going to keep these sheets?

Its just too much paperwork. And I like TL too, but man, managing that Imperator or Mega Gargants were a pain in the @ss. Now you want something like that for Warlords, Reavers, and Warhounds? I know they will add personality to the game, but also make it very annoying to manage.

I think datasheets similar to Epic 40k would be fine. A little character, but also easy enough to use for big games.

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Interesting stuff. I'm making a giant robot game with plans to expand to monsters, combined arms, and a few other notions in the future. The cover art beast_gts posted is what got me into AT, and the way it could be play in as little as an hour compared to Battletech kept me in long enough for SM2 to be a thing.

I just realized I should offer why I was interested in scale. I'm going for what's apparently 1:1000 scale, were 1mm so that the 4" robot (aka "The Rhea") is ~100m tall. Mainly because I really like Pacific Rim and how roomy the Jaegers were inside. They seemed big enough to fit a crew.

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