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This is something I've been struggling to completely understand since 8E dropped and now with the Daemons codex out I think I need to get a better understanding of it.

Hypothetically, am I able to have a two-detachment army, both joined by the keyword "Chaos" or "Slaanesh" with the following?

Supreme command detachment
2x CSM Daemon Princes with allegiance to Slaanesh in the Emperor's Children legion
1x Herald of Slaanesh on a Steed of Slaanesh (from Index: Chaos since the profile is missing from Codex: Chaos Daemons)

Patrol detachment
1x Keeper of Secrets (warlord)
2x Daemonette units

Then, what about the following?
1. Do the CSM princes and herald give the Slaanesh loci to nearby units?
2. Do the CSM princes gain the benefit of Emperor's Children: Stimulated by Pain?
3. Can the CSM princes be given relics from the Daemons codex?

Would anything be different if the supreme command detachment was running 3 CSM princes and the herald moved to the patrol detachment? If noise marines were added to the patrol detachment would they benefit from Stimulated by Pain?

Thanks!

Crocuta wrote:
This is something I've been struggling to completely understand since 8E dropped and now with the Daemons codex out I think I need to get a better understanding of it.

Hypothetically, am I able to have a two-detachment army, both joined by the keyword "Chaos" or "Slaanesh" with the following?

Supreme command detachment
2x CSM Daemon Princes with allegiance to Slaanesh in the Emperor's Children legion
1x Herald of Slaanesh on a Steed of Slaanesh (from Index: Chaos since the profile is missing from Codex: Chaos Daemons)

Patrol detachment
1x Keeper of Secrets (warlord)
2x Daemonette units

Then, what about the following?
1. Do the CSM princes and herald give the Slaanesh loci to nearby units?
2. Do the CSM princes gain the benefit of Emperor's Children: Stimulated by Pain?
3. Can the CSM princes be given relics from the Daemons codex?

Would anything be different if the supreme command detachment was running 3 CSM princes and the herald moved to the patrol detachment? If noise marines were added to the patrol detachment would they benefit from Stimulated by Pain?

Thanks!

1) No, they don't have the DAEMON Faction Keyword, so it can't be a Chaos Daemons Detachment. Page 124 of Codex: Chaos Daemons defines what a Chaos Daemons Detachment is.

2) No, because the detachment is not a Chaos Space Marines Detachment, due to the Herald. Page 156 of Codex: Chaos Space Marines defines what a Chaos Space Marines Detachment is.

3) Yes, since they are a DAEMON CHARACTER and your warlord has the DAEMON faction keyword. This is reinforced by the Death Guard FAQ ruling.

It's not been overly important until now, but Faction Keywords are important and distinct from normal keywords. Some things have DAEMON as a faction keyword and some have it just as a normal keyword.

OK, so from my understanding I would be able to do 3 CSM princes in one detachment for them to gain Stimulated by Pain. But if that detachment were to also include a unit of daemonettes they would not (even though the unit is in Codex: CSM).

Thanks BaconCatBug

Crocuta wrote:
OK, so from my understanding I would be able to do 3 CSM princes in one detachment for them to gain Stimulated by Pain. But if that detachment were to also include a unit of daemonettes they would not (even though the unit is in Codex: CSM).

Thanks BaconCatBug

That is correct.

Fun fact: The Daemonettes in CSM have different faction keywords than the one in Codex: Chaos Daemons, so are distinct units.

Presumably until the the Errata comes out for Codex: Chaos Daemons and Codex: Chaos Space Marines to match up their rules.

There is daemons also in the death gaurd codex that dont have a Death Guard faction keywords, but I think they include them because the Death Guard characters can summon them! But you cant put them in a Death Guard detachment (or this detachment will ONLY BE A CHAOS OF NURGLE DETACHMENT with no real bonuses).

The CSM princes do not get the loci ability.

Additionally the CSM princes cannot be given relics from the daemons codex.

blaktoof wrote:
The CSM princes do not get the loci ability.

That is true, because they won't be able to be DAEMON character in a DAEMON detachment (since they lack the DAEMON faction keyword)

blaktoof wrote:
Additionally the CSM princes cannot be given relics from the daemons codex.

that, though, is false. At the very least, you could pay the stratagem Rewards Of Chaos to give an artefact to any elligible DAEMON CHARACTER. But what's more, the wording for the Daemons artefacts says :
''If your army is led by a Warlord with the DAEMON Faction Keyword, you may give one of the following Hellforged Artefacts to a DAEMON CHARACTER in your army.''
it is not specified that the artefact must be given to a DAEMON Faction keyword, only that it is a DAEMON CHARACTER. So if, say, Kairos Fateweaver is your warlord, you can definitly give an artefact to a CSM Daemon Prince in another detachment if you like.

blaktoof wrote:
The CSM princes do not get the loci ability.

Additionally the CSM princes cannot be given relics from the daemons codex.

They can be given relics.

"If your army is led by a Warlord with the DAEMON Faction Keyword, you may give one of the following Hellforged Artefacts to a DAEMON CHARACTER in your army."

You don't need the Faction Keyword DAEMON to get given a relic, just a Warlord with the Faction Keyword DAEMON. Alternative you can use a HERETIC ASTARTES warlord, and via a DAEMONS detachment use the stratagem to unlock a relic for your CSM Prince.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
The CSM princes do not get the loci ability.

Additionally the CSM princes cannot be given relics from the daemons codex.

They can be given relics.

"If your army is led by a Warlord with the DAEMON Faction Keyword, you may give one of the following Hellforged Artefacts to a DAEMON CHARACTER in your army."

You don't need the Faction Keyword DAEMON to get given a relic, just a Warlord with the Faction Keyword DAEMON. Alternative you can use a HERETIC ASTARTES warlord, and via a DAEMONS detachment use the stratagem to unlock a relic for your CSM Prince.

Regarding the relics:

For some reason I read that relics could only go to Daemon faction Characters. However that is wrong, and the quote you provided is correct.

If the warlord is daemon faction. Otherwise currently it would have to be through stratagem.

 DoctorPhil wrote:
There is daemons also in the death gaurd codex that dont have a Death Guard faction keywords, but I think they include them because the Death Guard characters can summon them! But you cant put them in a Death Guard detachment (or this detachment will ONLY BE A CHAOS OF NURGLE DETACHMENT with no real bonuses).

There is no Deathguard detachment bonus anyway. Unlike other armies they don't gain a bonus for the entire detachment being solely deathguard. I think this is intended to be mixed with Nurgle

Yes they do. INFANTRY and HELBRUTES get the Inexorable Advance rule in a pure Death Guard Detachment. They don't get it without.