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2018/01/16 17:41:30
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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What will be your first choice? any unit from any imperium army...what is the best to go with a space marines army?
atm all i can think is vindicare assasin?
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2018/01/16 18:01:50
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Imperial Guard infantry, or Primaris Psykers. Space Marines is one of the few factions that does not have access to any kind of cheap wounds for screening purposes, and they could also use a better psyker. Apart from those two deficiencies SM is doing great.The vindicare assassin is not worth its points, in my opinion.
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2018/01/16 18:21:07
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Pious Palatine
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pismakron wrote:Imperial Guard infantry, or Primaris Psykers. Space Marines is one of the few factions that does not have access to any kind of cheap wounds for screening purposes, and they could also use a better psyker. Apart from those two deficiencies SM is doing great.The vindicare assassin is not worth its points, in my opinion.
Scouts are a bit pricey, but their unique abilities make them one of the best screening units in the game. Librarians are also crazy valuable now with deepstriking X++ units all over.
The truth is, space marines don't NEED anything. If you include non-codex chapters, space marines do not have a single gap in their whole army. The problem is that a lot of their stuff is just really expensive for what it does (largely due to the codex being balanced around have guillimen.)
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2018/01/16 18:25:24
Subject: Re:if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Then I would add nothing. They have more than enough units.
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2018/01/16 18:31:11
Subject: Re:if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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War Walker Pilot with Withering Fire
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Seconded. It'd be more interesting to ask, "What would you take out?"
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2018/01/16 18:39:56
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I’d actually shave off units. I’d make all the veterans into one unit, and I’d compress the different terminators into 1 units with the different armor as wargear options. I’d do other things as well because we’ve too many units in the Codex that are the same unit as another with only slight variations.
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2018/01/16 18:51:06
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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How about Honour Guard that actually go above two dudes?
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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2018/01/16 18:57:42
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Dakka Veteran
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Definitely a dance group.
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2018/01/16 19:00:21
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Jaxler wrote:I’d actually shave off units. I’d make all the veterans into one unit, and I’d compress the different terminators into 1 units with the different armor as wargear options. I’d do other things as well because we’ve too many units in the Codex that are the same unit as another with only slight variations.
Dreadnoughts could be compressed this way - venerable status used to be an upgrade, and "ironclad armour" could be, as well. The ironclad weapon options aren't that special, really, but you could restrict them to models which purchase the ironclad upgrade, if there was the need to.
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2018/01/16 19:03:05
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Kawauso wrote: Jaxler wrote:I’d actually shave off units. I’d make all the veterans into one unit, and I’d compress the different terminators into 1 units with the different armor as wargear options. I’d do other things as well because we’ve too many units in the Codex that are the same unit as another with only slight variations.
Dreadnoughts could be compressed this way - venerable status used to be an upgrade, and "ironclad armour" could be, as well. The ironclad weapon options aren't that special, really, but you could restrict them to models which purchase the ironclad upgrade, if there was the need to.
Agreed - Terminators in this way would be much more interesting and save loads of space wasted currently
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
A Bloody Road - my Warhammer Fantasy Fiction |
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2018/01/16 20:35:15
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ERJAK wrote:pismakron wrote:Imperial Guard infantry, or Primaris Psykers. Space Marines is one of the few factions that does not have access to any kind of cheap wounds for screening purposes, and they could also use a better psyker. Apart from those two deficiencies SM is doing great.The vindicare assassin is not worth its points, in my opinion.
Scouts are a bit pricey, but their unique abilities make them one of the best screening units in the game.
Scouts are great at screening against deepstrikers and infiltrate stratagems, and this is hugely important. But a good screen do all kinds of other stuff: Bubblewrapping against assault, feeding wounds to smiters, sacrificial chaff to tie up an enemy unit for a turn etc. Scouts are not good at all these tasks, and a pure Space Marine force suffers from that.
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2018/01/16 20:50:44
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As a CSM player, I'd say having cultists helps so much at times, and they aren't even as good as proper guardsmen. So I think that'd be a really obvious and reasonable pick.
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2018/01/16 20:52:53
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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I would add another Primarch.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
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2018/01/16 20:56:18
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Cook marines. Space Marine chapters are limited to 1000 Marines PLUS SUPPORT Staff. The Cook Marine, alongside the Birthday Song Marine, and Power of Positive Thinking Marine, are just one of those very important support staff.
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Galef wrote:If you refuse to use rock, you will never beat scissors. |
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2018/01/16 20:58:04
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Yeah, marine list needs more consolidation than expansion (personally, I think centurions ought to just be a terminator loadout, for example).
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2018/01/16 20:58:31
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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AM infantry squad. Mix of scouts and those would cover all roles of chaff efficiently. Scouts alone are tad pricey to cover all roles.
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109 |
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2018/01/16 21:34:38
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I'd add the Babushka Armour... it's a Space Marine inside a larger Space Marine inside a larger Space Marine inside a larger Space Marine inside a larger Space Marine. Kinda like an uber-Centurion.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2018/01/16 23:25:05
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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tneva82 wrote:AM infantry squad. Mix of scouts and those would cover all roles of chaff efficiently. Scouts alone are tad pricey to cover all roles.
Most Chapters have a substantial standing force of failed iniaites who are pretty good warriors, some even retaining implants etc. If we were not alreadly drwoing in different marine models it would be something quit nice to add a few models but every other army should get new stuff before there are any new marine models.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
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2018/01/17 01:17:35
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Mr Morden wrote:tneva82 wrote:AM infantry squad. Mix of scouts and those would cover all roles of chaff efficiently. Scouts alone are tad pricey to cover all roles.
Most Chapters have a substantial standing force of failed iniaites who are pretty good warriors, some even retaining implants etc. If we were not alreadly drwoing in different marine models it would be something quit nice to add a few models but every other army should get new stuff before there are any new marine models.
that'd be an intreasting idea actually. Chapter serfs.
I expect the next new SM minis will be more Primaris
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2018/01/17 01:21:02
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I'd honestly love to see a landing craft of sort for Primaris. Essentially a more beefy drop pod. Carries more units and has more dakka but can't move once it DS in.
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2018/01/17 01:21:50
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Hoodwink wrote:I'd honestly love to see a landing craft of sort for Primaris. Essentially a more beefy drop pod. Carries more units and has more dakka but can't move once it DS in.
yeah, the dark Imperium novel described the repulsor tank dropping in, I thought it a pity there was no deep strike in it's rules or even a stratigium to deep strike one
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2018/01/17 01:24:07
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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BrianDavion wrote:Hoodwink wrote:I'd honestly love to see a landing craft of sort for Primaris. Essentially a more beefy drop pod. Carries more units and has more dakka but can't move once it DS in.
yeah, the dark Imperium novel described the repulsor tank dropping in, I thought it a pity there was no deep strike in it's rules or even a stratigium to deep strike one
Yeah, I think it's more of a balance/rules thing. It would up the price of the Repulsor too, which is already pretty high.
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2018/01/17 01:24:55
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Hoodwink wrote:BrianDavion wrote:Hoodwink wrote:I'd honestly love to see a landing craft of sort for Primaris. Essentially a more beefy drop pod. Carries more units and has more dakka but can't move once it DS in.
yeah, the dark Imperium novel described the repulsor tank dropping in, I thought it a pity there was no deep strike in it's rules or even a stratigium to deep strike one
Yeah, I think it's more of a balance/rules thing. It would up the price of the Repulsor too, which is already pretty high.
proably, hence why I said a stratigium. it'd be nice if Primaris Marines had SOME sort of deep strike option
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2018/01/17 01:27:24
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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BrianDavion wrote:Hoodwink wrote:BrianDavion wrote:Hoodwink wrote:I'd honestly love to see a landing craft of sort for Primaris. Essentially a more beefy drop pod. Carries more units and has more dakka but can't move once it DS in.
yeah, the dark Imperium novel described the repulsor tank dropping in, I thought it a pity there was no deep strike in it's rules or even a stratigium to deep strike one
Yeah, I think it's more of a balance/rules thing. It would up the price of the Repulsor too, which is already pretty high.
proably, hence why I said a stratigium. it'd be nice if Primaris Marines had SOME sort of deep strike option
Inceptors
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2018/01/17 01:36:02
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Some kind of screens.
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2018/01/17 01:43:37
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Maybe primaris terminators ?
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2018/01/17 01:45:14
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Charing Cold One Knight
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I like the idea of adding Chapter Serfs...
But could we remove Centurians in the process?
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2018/01/17 01:47:58
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Wish we could just run Servo-Armless Servitors. 2 pts a model would be fantastic
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2018/01/17 03:45:46
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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I’ll agree that we probably need less marine units, not more.
If I could have one thing, it would probably be a turretless repulsor, so the primaris marines could have a slightly more reasonable transport.
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2018/01/17 04:51:32
Subject: if you could add 1 unit to spacemarines?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Yarium wrote:Cook marines. Space Marine chapters are limited to 1000 Marines PLUS SUPPORT Staff. The Cook Marine, alongside the Birthday Song Marine, and Power of Positive Thinking Marine, are just one of those very important support staff.
Cook Marines are absolutely definitely not canon
Nevelon wrote:I’ll agree that we probably need less marine units, not more.
But yeah if there was one army that could use a roster reduction it would be Space Marines.
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"Hold my shoota, I'm goin in"
Armies (7th edition points)
7000+ Points Death Skullz
4000 Points
+ + 3000 Points "The Fiery Heart of the Emperor"
3500 Points "Void Kraken" Space Marines
3000 Points "Bard's Booze Cruise" |
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