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2018/01/16 18:29:15
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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I made one of these threads at the start of 8th, and now almost every strong unit has been nerfed by games workshop and their feedback mechanisms. So who's at the top now? Vote for your top 5 strongest units and give me suggestions if there's anything I've missed! I've tried to group a few units with similar battlefield roles together.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/01/16 21:31:47
Fully Painted Armies: 2200pts Orks 1000pts Space Marines 1200pts Tau 2500pts Blood Angels 3500pts Imperial Guard/Renegades and 1700pts Daemons 450pts Imperial Knights |
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2018/01/16 18:44:35
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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I voted: Guilliman, Mortarion, Magnus, Dark Reapers and Tempestus Scions.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2018/01/16 19:00:08
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Clousseau
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I voted Dark Reapers, and only Dark Reapers.
While Eldar may not be as OP as Imperial Guard, this specific unit is just a joke to play against. Did i say unit? I meant two detachments with 12 dark reaper units. Or a giant blob. it doesn't really matter, it's not like they need the obvious synergy of guide, and forewarned, to be beyond badass. Oh and for 1CP they can jump-shoot-jump.
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Galas wrote:I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you
Bharring wrote:He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic. |
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2018/01/16 19:13:20
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It's interesting that each option already has at least one vote.
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2018/01/16 19:15:57
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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You could vote at everything at the same time so probably someone just voted all the options.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2018/01/16 19:58:58
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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Dark reapers are good but it shows how eldar players will spam their best units.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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2018/01/16 20:02:50
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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IG: infantry squads should have a lot more votes. The fact that Bobby G has more votes shows a lack of understanding on the part of the community on what true power is in 8th.
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2018/01/16 20:03:43
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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DKoK Engineers + Carcass shells + Acid bombs + Hades = ouch!
Situational admittedly.
Post FAQ, demo charge as well......mwhahahaha
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2018/01/16 20:37:21
Please note, for those of you who play Chaos Daemons as a faction the term "Daemon" is potentially offensive. Instead, please play codex "Chaos: Mortally Challenged". Thank you. |
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2018/01/16 20:07:29
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Martel732 wrote:IG: infantry squads should have a lot more votes. The fact that Bobby G has more votes shows a lack of understanding on the part of the community on what true power is in 8th.
Par for the course on dakka.
I votes
IG infantry
IG manitocres
Eldar Dark Reapers
Eldar SS
Eldar Psykers
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2018/01/16 20:10:55
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Martel732 wrote:IG: infantry squads should have a lot more votes. The fact that Bobby G has more votes shows a lack of understanding on the part of the community on what true power is in 8th.
IG Infantry is strong, but nowhere near the strongest. RG is crucial to other units being taken to higher levels.
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2018/01/16 20:14:55
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Guilliman as a Standalone unit is busted beyond comprehension.
He gets dragged down by the fact that you can only take 1 and he is tied with the Space Marine Codex.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2018/01/16 20:21:11
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Primark G wrote:Dark reapers are good but it shows how eldar players will spam their best units.
Not eldar. All faction players in tournaments and quite a lot in random pickup games.
edit: IG infantry, manticore, plague crawler, dark reapers and scions for me.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/01/16 20:22:44
2024 painted/bought: 109/109 |
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2018/01/16 20:21:28
Subject: Re:Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I voted:
Imperial guard: infantry squads
Imperial guard: mortars
CSM: obliterators
Eldar: Dark reapers
Eldar: psykers
These units should be auto-includes in any powergaming list that has access to them. The primarchs are good, but none of them are auto-includes.
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2018/01/16 20:22:08
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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RG is dragged down by what he's buffing. Which is necessarily mediocre to crappy units. IG infantry make the most busted codex immune to assault and deep strike and captures objectives. For 4 ppm. Busted.
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2018/01/16 20:22:36
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Galas wrote:Guilliman as a Standalone unit is busted beyond comprehension.
He gets dragged down by the fact that you can only take 1 and he is tied with the Space Marine Codex.
So what does that make space marines without guilliman?
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2018/01/16 20:24:26
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Xenomancers wrote: Galas wrote:Guilliman as a Standalone unit is busted beyond comprehension.
He gets dragged down by the fact that you can only take 1 and he is tied with the Space Marine Codex.
So what does that make space marines without guilliman?
A faction that would be fairly good if it had access to a screening unit and a decent psyker.
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2018/01/16 20:25:02
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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No cadian heavy weapon team?
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2018/01/16 20:25:57
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The mortars are good. The rest gets erased when you breathe at them.
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2018/01/16 20:38:00
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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They are good...In infantry squads. Outside infantry squads they are bunch of T3 5+ W2 guys that are fairly expensive per point so prime targets. Mortars have some ability to hide though on many boards they are easy enough to spot anyway and rest need to be visible to be useful.
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109 |
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2018/01/16 20:45:07
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Clousseau
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Martel732 wrote:RG is dragged down by what he's buffing. Which is necessarily mediocre to crappy units. IG infantry make the most busted codex immune to assault and deep strike and captures objectives. For 4 ppm. Busted. True enough. Guard infantry is so cheap it's sickening. But I still think Dark Reapers are, point for point, stronger than these guys. Have you seen a squad of reapers, guided, move into LOS, shoot, and then for 1 cp, move back into hiding? Every turn? Yeah
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Galas wrote:I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you
Bharring wrote:He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic. |
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2018/01/16 20:46:16
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Reapers are gonna get the hammer for sure. IG guardsmen might skate along for some time.
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2018/01/16 20:46:49
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I had trouble deciding. Guilliman, Magnus, and infantry squads all seemed like easy picks. Dark reapers were one I had heard awful things about even if I have yet to personally face them, so sure toss that in as well.
But for my fifth I had a bunch of things that I'd heard were a little busted but never seen personally due anything that impressive. IG mortars, mortarion, and IG/eldar psykers. I ended up going Morty just because I figure it's more likely for me to miss my own model overperforming than an enemy model, but it was close.
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2018/01/16 20:47:24
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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One unit that I think is busted isn't an option on this list. The Wraithguard.
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2018/01/16 20:57:46
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Jervis Johnson
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The next CA should absolutely wreck Dark Reapers. That unit is so brutally underpriced it's unreal. They could double the total price for a Dark Reaper and they'd be closer to balanced than they are now, especially as you consider all the different synergy options from psychic powers and stratagems available to them.
If they don't go up by at least 10 points per model, after the complete over nerfs to many other units in the game, I don't know what to say about GW's "balance team". As of now, the only counter to Dark Reapers is to play infantry hordes with no viable targets.
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2018/01/16 20:58:24
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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Still amused at how basic guardsmen are now a major powergaming element apparently...and Mortars?...oh my
For super serious though, for units that really force major shifts in how an opponent will have to deal with an army or can make or break a list or create killer combis, it's hard not to go with Dark Reapers, Bobby G, Celestine, Morty and Magnus.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2018/01/16 20:58:34
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Lord of the Fleet
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Skitarii Vanguard should be voted the best basic infantry in the game. For 3pts more than a Guardsman you get +1BS, +1Sv, a 6++ Invulnerable, all the juicy Canticles and a 3-shot Lasgun that can cause 6 wounds.
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2018/01/16 20:59:57
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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You can be amused, but you are also incorrect in your assessments of true power in 8th ed. Taking up real estate as cheaply as possible is a huge chunk of the game.
Everytime I see Morty, he dies to a hail of manticore fire. I can't see how he belongs while IG exist as currently constituted.
" really force major shifts in how an opponent will have to deal with an army or can make or break a list or create killer combis"
This is exactly what IG infantry do.
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2018/01/16 21:16:40
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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I chose Hellblasters as with some easy buffs they can easily erase hard targets.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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2018/01/16 21:16:52
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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My votes went a few directions for various reasons.
Dark Reapers: While I think they're almost priced reasonably, the game rules make them better than they should be. However I dislike stacking dozens of rules to make units unhittable so while I own 12 of these models, no more than six come out unless you're being a dick. If you can't target/kill a handful of Toughness 3 models, that's a problem. They shouldn't get more than one turn of shooting normally.
Boyz: Still the most bang for your buck in the entire game when Ork character abilities are layered. I think there's no excuse for a cheap basic infantry model to get 5 attacks for any reason...at all. If they get better in the eventual Ork codex they'll be even more broken. So - not broken alone, but can be broken through assistance.
Guilliman/Celestine: not super powerful by themselves but what they do for armies and their survivability puts them up there as being broken simply by themselves. Add the force-multiplier element and they're way too cost efficient.
Manticore, etc.: Indirect fire in this game is strong (probably should get a generic -1 to hit penalty for any indirect weapons or something), but the ability of guard to boost and buy it cheap makes it really potent in the right mix.
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2018/01/16 21:22:18
Subject: Top 5 strongest units of 8th edition
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
Seattle Area
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pismakron wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Galas wrote:Guilliman as a Standalone unit is busted beyond comprehension.
He gets dragged down by the fact that you can only take 1 and he is tied with the Space Marine Codex.
So what does that make space marines without guilliman?
A faction that would be fairly good if it had access to a screening unit and a decent psyker.
Anyone playing SM who's worth their salt will bring guardsmen to screen... in my list I run GMan, a UM detachment, and an AM detachment.... my only problem is that I can't take a fourth detachment and fit in more units of guardsmen...
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Froth at the top, dregs at the bottom, but the middle - excellent |
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