Hive Fleet Kraken adaption - Allows advance and charge?

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**Dadavester**

So my gaming group and I have been having a discussion about the Hive Fleet Kraken adapation

"When a unit with this adaptation advances, roll 3 dice instead of 1 and pick the highest to add to the move characteristic of all models in the unit for that movement phase. In Addition, such units can fallback and charge in the same turn"

The use of the phrase "such units" is leading to the interpretation that it means a unit that advanced and rolled 3d6 can also charge. We all agree that it is probably not intended in that way, but by not using "Hive Fleet Kraken" instead of "such units" does it leave it open for that?

**JohnnyHell**

No, you can't do both. You can Advance 3D6/pick highest, or you can Fall Back and Charge in the same turn. It doesn't allow Advance + Charge. "Such units" simply saves repetition of "units with this adaptation".

**Dadavester**

I agree that is definitely how it is intended. Just the use of 'such units' could also mean units that have advanced, as it states at the start 'when a unit with adaptation advances'?

**JohnnyHell**

Dadavester wrote:
I agree that is definitely how it is intended. Just the use of 'such units' could also mean units that have advanced, as it states at the start 'when a unit with adaptation advances'?

Except that a unit that advanced couldn't be in a position to fall back, so that reading falls down. If someone is determined to try and misrepresent this rule the wording leaves them a small amount of wriggle room, but honestly it's not enough to be convincing at all. It's just trying to find a grammar loophole, when a casual reading shows how it should work.

**Dadavester**

Thanks! That was what most of us thought that the rule isn't 100% clear, but it is clear enough to show how it should work without much thought.

**Lance845**

Such units as in units with this hive fleet adaptation. Not units that advanced.

**JohnnyHell**

Dadavester wrote:
Thanks! That was what most of us thought that the rule isn't 100% clear, but it is clear enough to show how it should work without much thought.

In this edition they'd simply write "may Advance and Charge in the same turn" if that's what they meant... Genestealer have such a rule, for example.

**mchammadad**

Yea... looks like this one just says the unit can fallback and charge, while their advance is 3D6. Nowhere does it state they can charge after advancing

**Eihnlazer**

Correct, Kraken allows you to get the better advance roll, and allows you to charge after falling back.

Only the genestealers get to advance then charge normally.

Onslaught power however would allow you to charge your hormagaunts after advancing however and makes horms the best ty-up unit in the game. Combined with implant attack it actually makes them do a bit of damage to stuff potentially.

Honestly Kraken also makes Flyrants very effective. One gun and MRC for free+ toxin sacs makes flyrants truly terrifying on the field. They can potentially one shot characters that want to charge them, making your opponent hold back on that, and they pose a very good threat to vehicles. With the devourers/HVC they are also deadly at range.