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So, like with the previous codices, reviews are now comming out of the wood work and I'm wondering what everyone thinks of the Golden Home Boyz. Are they OP? Are they a waste of money? Discuss below!

A few things of note from my personal opinion:
1. In an interview the 40k devs told us that the terminators were really good vs hordes and took out like 30 or something boyz. This makes me worried for boyz because the current boyz look like they could deal and survive the terminators pretty well. As far as i know they only have a d3 assualt weapon and 1 more long range weapon so I don't know how they're able to take out 30boyz if there is only a max of like 9 shots comming out? Maybe someone could clarify.
2. They honestly don't sound that bad... They're expensive but a cool little side project for a lot of people. I have little interest in them and have to admit they sound a little underwhelming as the mega super heros of the universe who fought alongside the emperor himself.

Not viable as a pure force but excellent as an ally.

You think people would get mad if I painted my Custodes blue instead of gold?

From what I've seen so far they look like beasts. I'm actually pretty excited.

Can't wait to get a HQ + 3 elite vexilla guys and, alongside Azrael, make a Greenwing entirely covered by invulnerable saves

Yeah it’s crazy good for the Imperium armies.

Thoughts? Looks like this will be the first time I'll be able to fit an apocalypse force in a single carry case

I like the idea that GW is putting buffs in the army that specifically affect Imperium units and not just Custodes. I think GW understands that some people will run it primarily as an army and will do ok, but ultimately it will not be the most effective build. Being able to use them as a detachment and actually have buffs that synergize with both the Custodes and allied detachment is fantastic. Hopefully they take note and work on GK to function in a similar way.

How can you ask this when the Codex isn't even out?! Wait 3-4 weeks and some tournament results to see how it goes.

 Galas wrote:
How can you ask this when the Codex isn't even out?! Wait 3-4 weeks and some tournament results to see how it goes.

This gets said every single time but reading the codex always says it all and we all have the codex to see now.

 lolman1c wrote:

 Galas wrote:
How can you ask this when the Codex isn't even out?! Wait 3-4 weeks and some tournament results to see how it goes.

This gets said every single time but reading the codex always says it all and we all have the codex to see now.

No we haven't. It is on preoder, but it isn't on stores, we don't even have all the point costs, etc...
And personally I disagree with reading the codex always saying everything. In 8th, with all the moving parts of stratagems, allies, Detachments, Auras, etc... one can squeeze a ton of juice from a good codex.

I don't see the costs being much different in general to what we already have. Custodes are expensive models to run but are pretty beefy. The problem comes in that they can die to volume of fire and I doubt they have the volume of fire to put up against horde armies. I see them getting bogged down by horde armies pretty easily. Sure they'll cut through the armies, but they'll be stuck hacking away at a single mob of, say, Ork boyz for multiple turns. Even losing a single model is a pretty big blow to their overall effectiveness.

Will they be a fun army and effective in regular games? More-than-likely. Will they be competitive? Probably not. I'd be very surprised to see them as a competitive army just based on how crazy elite they are and how crazy anti-elite this edition is. I see them being a very good detachment unit for other factions. Guard with screens and tanks mixed with a Venerable Landraider with Custodes would be pretty nasty.

 Galas wrote:
In 8th, with all the moving parts of stratagems, allies, Detachments, Auras, etc... one can squeeze a ton of juice from a good codex.

In 8-th everything is a potato.

I watched a review of the codex today on YouTube and there was lots of information presented on the WH community site. Units are expensive but very powerful.

Should be interesting, these guys seem kind of like Grey Knights +1, who aren't doing so hot right now. The fact that most of them seem to be running around with a 4++ or better, more wounds and maybe some form of fnp should make them tougher but without screens, or serious long rang dakka they might really need that to survive the first turn and close the distance.

Kind of wonder how many minor Custodes armies will crop up since the small model count makes them an enticing side project.

 koooaei wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In 8th, with all the moving parts of stratagems, allies, Detachments, Auras, etc... one can squeeze a ton of juice from a good codex.

In 8-th everything is a potato.

A potato is a cocked dice.

Im getting it literally just for the bikes lol. I might get some scout bikes to add more bodies. but i dont expect it to win, just for fun.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Im getting it literally just for the bikes lol. I might get some scout bikes to add more bodies. but i dont expect it to win, just for fun.

I'm honestly looking at making a detachment just for the bikes in my BA army now. It'd be a nice way to keep the theme of a fast army and get some good anti-tank in there. HQ choices look like they'd buff my BA too. If I can get the -1 to hit buff in there and mix it with the 5+++ relic banner in BA, that'd be a crazy survivable foot slogging army.

If you take the hq detachment you can take three shield captains on bikes.

From the reviews I've seen they look interesting, but I'm not sure I could give a proper opinion without seeing some of the Forge World rules. Even with the Codex adding the jetbikes it's still an army consisting almost entirely of mixed assault infantry with a few tacked-on vehicles and little to no counter to heavy armour; once the skimmers, the cool Dreadnaughts, and the Saggitarii come in it'll be a lot more interesting.


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Hoodwink wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Im getting it literally just for the bikes lol. I might get some scout bikes to add more bodies. but i dont expect it to win, just for fun.

I'm honestly looking at making a detachment just for the bikes in my BA army now. It'd be a nice way to keep the theme of a fast army and get some good anti-tank in there. HQ choices look like they'd buff my BA too. If I can get the -1 to hit buff in there and mix it with the 5+++ relic banner in BA, that'd be a crazy survivable foot slogging army.

The 5++ helps your BA but the -1 to hit is Custodes only.

(Still useful, just a bit less useful.)

I wouldn’t count on any support from forgeworld anytime soon even though they have a complete line for Horus Heresy.

I don't see them being competitive on their own, a sufficient number of lasguns will take them out regardless. What really frustrates me is the synergy they're going to add to the Imperium, such as for example another friggin way to make Guard immune to morale.

With three wounds minimum T5 and 2+ they are immune to small arms fire.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I don't see them being competitive on their own, a sufficient number of lasguns will take them out regardless. What really frustrates me is the synergy they're going to add to the Imperium, such as for example another friggin way to make Guard immune to morale.

Guards are allready inmune to morale. 10-man infantry squads have two states: Alive or death. Nothing more. And conscripts are inmune to morale. In people's shelves at 4ppm they don't suffer any morale loses, I can assure that to you.

Morale in general is an absurd mechanic in a universe build like Warhammer 40k where everybody is a bad-ass that never has fear and never run (Unless you are a greenskin). This is not Fantasy where even Elves and Dwarfs could run and be scared.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I don't see them being competitive on their own, a sufficient number of lasguns will take them out regardless. What really frustrates me is the synergy they're going to add to the Imperium, such as for example another friggin way to make Guard immune to morale.

(92 lasgun shots kills one Custodian. It isn't remotely cost-effective.)

Yeah, theres many things that kill Custodes, Terminators ,etc... with ease, but with two wounds, is not small arms fire anymore. Thats something they have gained from 7th to 8th.

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, theres many things that kill Custodes, Terminators ,etc... with ease, but with two wounds, is not small arms fire anymore. Thats something they have gained from 7th to 8th.

2 wounds? I thought they have 3w now?
But yeah, small arms is not particularly effective against them due to their higher than average toughness, good armor (2+ saves armywide, right?) and higher than average wound count. I can see how they are anti-hoard; they can shrug off a lot of fire while churning out decent damage in return.

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Sort of like how necrons should be.

3 is minimum. Every model is an HQ equivalent.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, theres many things that kill Custodes, Terminators ,etc... with ease, but with two wounds, is not small arms fire anymore. Thats something they have gained from 7th to 8th.

2 wounds? I thought they have 3w now?
But yeah, small arms is not particularly effective anymore. I can see how they are anti-hoard; they can shrug off a lot of fire while churning out decent damage in return.

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Sort of like how necrons should be.

Normal custodes are 3W, terminators are 2W, so from 7th to 8th they have basically doubled in durability agaisn't any kind of AP0 weapon in the 3-5S range (Lasguns, Bolters, Pulse Rifles, etc...)

Every Custodes has three wounds minimum. Some of the Hq has seven.

 Galas wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, theres many things that kill Custodes, Terminators ,etc... with ease, but with two wounds, is not small arms fire anymore. Thats something they have gained from 7th to 8th.

2 wounds? I thought they have 3w now?
But yeah, small arms is not particularly effective anymore. I can see how they are anti-hoard; they can shrug off a lot of fire while churning out decent damage in return.

....

Sort of like how necrons should be.

Normal custodes are 3W, terminators are 2W, so from 7th to 8th they have basically doubled in durability agaisn't any kind of AP0 weapon in the 3-5S range (Lasguns, Bolters, Pulse Rifles, etc...)

Ah right, you mean marine terminators. Yeah, they have gotten a bit tougher too.
I'm going to assume custode terminators have 4w then.