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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 19:01:27
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Preacher of the Emperor
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My hypothetical instance:
If you have a Xiphon, or any flyer that cannot hover, could you intentionally move less than the minimum move to position it next to an enemy unit(s) and force it to be destroyed for the chance to cause mortal wounds?
Minimum Move
Some models that can FLY have a Move
characteristic consisting of two values.
The first is the model’s minimum speed
– in the Movement phase, all parts of
the model’s base must end the move at
least that far from where they started.
The second is its maximum speed – no
part of the model’s base can be moved
further than this. If a model cannot make
its minimum move, or is forced to move
off the battlefield because of its minimum
speed, it is destroyed and removed from
the battlefield – the model has either
stalled and crashed or been forced to
abandon the battle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 19:06:10
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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deviantduck wrote: Minimum Move Some models that can FLY have a Move characteristic consisting of two values. The first is the model’s minimum speed – in the Movement phase, all parts of the model’s base must end the move at least that far from where they started. The second is its maximum speed – no part of the model’s base can be moved further than this. If a model cannot make its minimum move, or is forced to move off the battlefield because of its minimum speed, it is destroyed and removed from the battlefield – the model has either stalled and crashed or been forced to abandon the battle.
I highlighted the relevant words that prevent this from happening. The "if it cannot" clause is just that: "if it cannot", NOT "if it choses not to" So you MUST move the minimum distance and CANNOT chose not to. it is only if outside forces are preventing you from doing so (such as models within 1" in all direction you can chose to move) -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 19:07:11
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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"If a model cannot make its minimum move...it is destroyed and removed from the battlefield."
1. CAN the model make at least its minimum? Because that's the only requirement. If it can, then it must. You can't stop short when you have the option of completing the legal move.
2. I don't actually see anywhere that states the model is losing its last wound, and so it wouldn't explode/cause mortals at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 19:07:22
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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deviantduck wrote:– in the Movement phase, all parts of
the model’s base must end the move at
least that far from where they started.
I read this as a restriction on movement, meaning you cannot wilfully move less.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 19:57:15
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Preacher of the Emperor
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I missed the must. Thanks.
Also, assuming the Xiphon is at 1 wound, hence you'd want to sacrifice it, what if you pivot the flyer into a direction where at the minimum/maximum move distance there is an enemy unit? At the 20" mark is Magnus also at 1 wound left. You've already pivoted, so you can't pivot again. You must go the minimum which in this case is also the maxium and right on top of Magnus. What then?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 20:15:55
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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You also can't finish a move within 1" of an enemy model. So finishing on top of one is right out.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 20:17:51
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Preacher of the Emperor
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JohnnyHell wrote:You also can't finish a move within 1" of an enemy model. So finishing on top of one is right out.
Right. Which is why I'm asking. You're locked in a fixed movement distance at an angle that puts you on top of an enemy model so it can't move there. If you can't move, your flyer is destroyed. Right? Is it destroyed in its starting position or at the place where it couldn't finish its movement?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 20:25:10
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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You can fly off the table and be destroyed that way?
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 21:05:58
Subject: Re:Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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What does the rule about crashing and burning say? Is it when the model is destroyed, or when it loses its last wound? Because if it is destroyed due to ill-placement, it doesn't lose its last wound (to my understanding).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 21:43:34
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Basically, if there is anywhere on the board that you can safely move between you min-max distance, you have to do so. You cannot voluntarily kill yourself or move over an enemy
The wording is "if you cannot" mean that if you CAN in any way, the rest of the wording doesn't apply.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 21:49:31
Subject: Re:Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Octopoid wrote:What does the rule about crashing and burning say? Is it when the model is destroyed, or when it loses its last wound? Because if it is destroyed due to ill-placement, it doesn't lose its last wound (to my understanding).
Fair point. It says:
Crash and Burn: If this model is reduced to 0 wounds roll a D6 before removing the model from the battlefield
and before any embarked models disembark; on a 6 it crashes and explodes and each unit within 6" suffers D3
mortal wounds.
So I guess "...it is destroyed and removed from the battlefield – the model has either stalled and crashed or been forced to abandon the battle." doesn't trigger Crash and Burn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 22:20:01
Subject: Intentionally Moving Less than Minimum Distance
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Good catch. So kamikaze isn't possible anyway then. Good to know!
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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