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https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-killed-being-apos-sucked-155339584.html

So that happened.

Mumbai police confirmed that an Indian man died after being “sucked” into an MRI machine, according to international news agency Agence France-Presse.

The victim, 32-year-old Rajesh Maru, was visiting a relative in Mumbai's Nair Hospital when he entered a room containing a magnetic resonance imaging machine—more commonly known as an MRI machine—while carrying an oxygen cylinder. The machine's powerful magnetic force pulled him toward it, the police stated according to AFP, apparently damaging the cylinder and poisoning Maru when he inhaled the pure liquid oxygen it contained.

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According to Maru's uncle, Maru had been carrying the cylinder because a junior staff member had asked him to, assuring him that the MRI machine was turned off, AFP reported. The MRI pulled the metal cylinder toward it, trapping Maru's arm inside and exposing him to the deadly liquid oxygen, according to the Hindustan Times. His fingers were severed while hospital employees tried to free him. He died several hours later in intensive care.

“A tube of the oxygen cylinder too got disconnected from the cylinder and it began leaking. Maru inhaled a huge amount of oxygen due to which he fell unconscious,” Savalaram Agavane, senior police inspector of Agripada police station, said according to the Hindustan Times. A doctor and staff member have been arrested for causing death due to negligence, according to AFP.

When turned on, as this one was, MRI machines emit powerful magnetic fields that image the body's internal organs. That field is the reason patients and doctors alike are asked to remove any metal they might be carrying—belt buckles, piercings, loose change, keys—before they approach one.

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In liquid form, oxygen is pale blue in color and extremely cold, according to the University of Florida's Environmental Health & Safety division. Liquid oxygen is a cryogenic fluid, meaning a liquefied gas with a boiling point lower than -238 degrees Fahrenheit (-297.3°F, in this case). It's so highly combustible that it's used to power rockets. In large enough quantities, it's poisonous—Maru's autopsy showed his cause of death to be toxic amounts of inhaled liquid oxygen, according to the Hindustan Times.

The air we breathe under normal circumstances comprises about 21-percent oxygen, according to the University of Florida. Pure, highly pressurized oxygen, though, is toxic enough to compromise lung function, causing convulsions, respiratory distress, loss of vision and, in cases like this, death.

This article was first written by Newsweek



I'm curious why he didn't just let go of the cylinder? Seems odd that he would have had the strength to hold on to it while the magnet was pulling on it from across the room.

Also seems odd that anybody would say the magnet was off. MRIs are always on.

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This sounds like what happens when unfortunate circumstance meets lax safety standards.

   
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As Hats said, lack of adequate health and safety results in death.

As Templar says, you don't turn MRIs off unless absolutely necessary due to the massive expense in turning them back on (cryogenically cooling magnetic coils which generate magnetic fields of over 1 Tesla to the point of superconductance is very expensive).

MRI machines are pretty noisy even when idling and not doing an actual scan, guess he ignored that after being told it was turned off by the idiot.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm curious why he didn't just let go of the cylinder? Seems odd that he would have had the strength to hold on to it while the magnet was pulling on it from across the room.


My guess would be that it was the canister type that has sort of a cage around the top to protect the controls, and his hand\wrist was trapped inside of it, rather then he simply held onto it - I don't think very nearly anyone can hold onto something unexpectedly being pulled so strongly it can support your body weight.


Pretty much 100% on the guys who told him it was safe. I didn't read this story because I read it somewhere else last night, but iirc he said it wasn't safe, and the doctor and tech said it was OK.

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I was in Mumbai a few years ago visiting a team of mine from work, and at the time one of our team members was in the hospital because she had gotten dengue fever. So we went to visit her, and I was kinda appalled at the hospital. Dirty floors, etc, and she was in there the whole time I was in country, a week and a half. Don't remember how long she was there for, but I kept thinking, man, I wouldn't want to spend 30min in here. Of course mistakes are made here in the US too, all the time, but their standards aren't anywhere near close to ours.
   
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Most of the reporting about this story I’ve read seems just as clueless as the people who were telling him it’s safe.

Between the reporters and staff talking about an MRI only being magnetic when “turned on”, rather than talking about them always being magnetic unless they’ve been quenched, and all this talk about people carrying around liquid oxygen that poisons people it’s been making my eyes twitch.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm curious why he didn't just let go of the cylinder? Seems odd that he would have had the strength to hold on to it while the magnet was pulling on it from across the room.


My guess would be that it was the canister type that has sort of a cage around the top to protect the controls, and his hand\wrist was trapped inside of it, rather then he simply held onto it - I don't think very nearly anyone can hold onto something unexpectedly being pulled so strongly it can support your body weight.


Sure, I would imagine it was like that too. But I still can't fathom how he would be carrying it in such a way that it would trap his arm so securely that it would drag him across the room and trap him. It doesn't seem like a way a person would normally carry such a heavy object.

It's definitely negligence on the part of the people who told him it was off. I'm just confused as to why he was carrying it in some odd way as to make getting trapped possible.

Did he have his arm through the cage part of the bottle? Doesn't seem like a comfortable or practical way to carry as heavy object like that.


Honestly when I saw the title of the article I at first assumed that he had some metal in some part of his body or physically attached to him or his clothing.

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 d-usa wrote:
Most of the reporting about this story I’ve read seems just as clueless as the people who were telling him it’s safe.

Between the reporters and staff talking about an MRI only being magnetic when “turned on”, rather than talking about them always being magnetic unless they’ve been quenched, and all this talk about people carrying around liquid oxygen that poisons people it’s been making my eyes twitch.


There's nothing quite like awful reporting to remind you how scientifically uneducated many people are. And then you remember that people just as lacking are often on political committees overseeing scientific funding etc.

If your really want to facepalm then read this line again:
It's so highly combustible that it's used to power rockets.

They say oxygen is combustible. The definition of combustion is the chemical reaction a substance with an oxidiser (so named because of oxygen being the most common but other chemicals can work). Liquid oxygen is not highly combustible, it is an excellent oxidiser which allows for highly efficient combustion but that still requires a fuel to burn.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm curious why he didn't just let go of the cylinder? Seems odd that he would have had the strength to hold on to it while the magnet was pulling on it from across the room.


My guess would be that it was the canister type that has sort of a cage around the top to protect the controls, and his hand\wrist was trapped inside of it, rather then he simply held onto it - I don't think very nearly anyone can hold onto something unexpectedly being pulled so strongly it can support your body weight.


Sure, I would imagine it was like that too. But I still can't fathom how he would be carrying it in such a way that it would trap his arm so securely that it would drag him across the room and trap him. It doesn't seem like a way a person would normally carry such a heavy object.


I can only armchair speculate (and I didn't read the whole thing), but if the cylinder was on a dolly and he was backing into the room to hold the door open with his back side, I can see where he could get trapped between the cylinder and the machine.


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 kronk wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm curious why he didn't just let go of the cylinder? Seems odd that he would have had the strength to hold on to it while the magnet was pulling on it from across the room.


My guess would be that it was the canister type that has sort of a cage around the top to protect the controls, and his hand\wrist was trapped inside of it, rather then he simply held onto it - I don't think very nearly anyone can hold onto something unexpectedly being pulled so strongly it can support your body weight.


Sure, I would imagine it was like that too. But I still can't fathom how he would be carrying it in such a way that it would trap his arm so securely that it would drag him across the room and trap him. It doesn't seem like a way a person would normally carry such a heavy object.


I can only armchair speculate (and I didn't read the whole thing), but if the cylinder was on a dolly and he was backing into the room to hold the door open with his back side, I can see where he could get trapped between the cylinder and the machine.



Maybe, but I think if that happened he would have been spun around and it would have been free to keep flying. Especially since it specifically trapped his hand.

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Something as "light" as a carryable O2 cylinder isn't going to give much reaction time once an MRI machine has it.

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They make portable ones with straps you wear over your shoulder (and possible neck), but those are more for walking around outside and I don’t really see them used inside a hospital.


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All this talk about liquid oxygen and him being poisoned by it makes me think that they did a horrible job installing the machine and didn’t have it vented properly to the outside, and instead of supercooled liquid oxygen he might have gotten a lungful of helium after the MRI was quenched and the gas was released into the room rather than vented outside.

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A lungful of helium might make you pass out temporarily from asphyxia but it's a noble gas and won't poison you in itself, though if it was supercooled it might do damage by freezing.

Liquid oxygen can't easily be breathed in, and if you did it would do very severe freezing damage to you.

The increased oxygen in the air from evaporation might lead to oxygen intoxication, which is a recognised hazard for pilots and divers, but not easily fatal in the way that a gas like carbon monoxide would be.

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He would likely have been in a smaller enclosed room, attached to the MRI machine when it happened. Maybe they used a liquid oxygen tank, but we really didn’t use them at any place I have worked so far, so that’s the main reason I’m a bit skeptical about it.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
They make portable ones with straps you wear over your shoulder (and possible neck), but those are more for walking around outside and I don’t really see them used inside a hospital.


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All this talk about liquid oxygen and him being poisoned by it makes me think that they did a horrible job installing the machine and didn’t have it vented properly to the outside, and instead of supercooled liquid oxygen he might have gotten a lungful of helium after the MRI was quenched and the gas was released into the room rather than vented outside.


Its possible he actually died from inhaling too much gaseous oxygen, or because the oxygen was super cold, and the report was just being a stupid reporter and wrote down "Death by inhaling liquid oxygen".

I doubt he would have died from inhaling too much helium, since that would have probably gotten some of his rescuers too. And I should think a lungful of helium would be something a little CPR would have solved.

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If it was helium, I would think it was the act of dumping a ton of supercooled helium near him that did the damage and not the helium itself.

But yeah, if the tank that dragged him and hit the MRI machine with enough force it could also have easily cracked the tank or valve and released the gas fast enough to end up cold enough to do damage. Death by Boyle's law more than death by oxygen.

I think either way I would guess it was cryo-damage to the lungs that killed him, and less the interaction of any particular element?
   
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 kronk wrote:
I can only armchair speculate (and I didn't read the whole thing), but if the cylinder was on a dolly and he was backing into the room to hold the door open with his back side, I can see where he could get trapped between the cylinder and the machine.



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So... oxygen is poisonous? I knew it! The oxygen we breathe is slowly killing us! It will kill us all. It just takes 80-100 years to do so.

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 Iron_Captain wrote:
So... oxygen is poisonous? I knew it! The oxygen we breathe is slowly killing us! It will kill us all. It just takes 80-100 years to do so.


Well it follows a basic rule of biology that just about anything can be toxic in high enough quantities.

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Oxygen is an oxidizer, and your body uses it to create energy. You can say that oxygen causes you to slowly burn to death.

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So technically the MRI-machine didn't kill him, but caused a oxygen cylinder to burst open which caused him to die of oxygen poisoning?

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Overexposure to oxygen can cause convulsions, which could eventually be fatal. It surprises me that he would die hours after being freed and having received medical care. Maybe the O2 caused enough damage via freezing, maybe heart failure from convulsions.
   
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Talinsin wrote:
Overexposure to oxygen can cause convulsions, which could eventually be fatal. It surprises me that he would die hours after being freed and having received medical care. Maybe the O2 caused enough damage via freezing, maybe heart failure from convulsions.


Well yeah. He most likely actually died from damage to his lungs caused by the super cold O2. The media then spun it as "death by liquid oxygen". When really he would have likely died no matter what was in the canister. Liquid gases are cold.

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I was in Mumbai a few years ago visiting a team of mine from work, and at the time one of our team members was in the hospital because she had gotten dengue fever. So we went to visit her, and I was kinda appalled at the hospital. Dirty floors, etc, and she was in there the whole time I was in country, a week and a half. Don't remember how long she was there for, but I kept thinking, man, I wouldn't want to spend 30min in here. Of course mistakes are made here in the US too, all the time, but their standards aren't anywhere near close to ours.


I was in India and a friend had a healthscare - he was bitten and was worried about rabies. A fellow backpacker who was a nurse in real life warned my friend, and gave him some needles in sterile packaging, telling him even doctors will often re-use needles. We were in a small village and went to the local 'hospital', it was a small concrete construction, unrendered, with tiled floors. In the lobby they had hand painted on the wall 'births' with an arrow pointing right, and 'deaths' with an arrow pointing left. Unsurprisingly, they couldn't do anything to treat my friend, so we booked a car and drove to the city. The hospital there looked from the lobby like a proper, decent hopsital, white with clean floors. My friend went in, and said they could treat him, but we needed to get the drug from the chemist over the road. We went to the chemist, it was a street vendor with a bar fridge full of medicines. There had already been a blackout in the few hours we'd been in the city, and it was stinking hot. Anyway, my friend took the medicine back to the hospital, was taken in to different rooms which he said stank of feces. The doctor grabbed a needle, my friend instead took out the needle he was given by the backpacker, the doctor took the needle, opened the sterile packet and then wiped the needle on his arm. My friend upped and left. We flew to Dehli, which has a proper hospital for rich Indians and people who aren't Indian. Treatment went fine.

So end of the day, nothing in that story surprises me at all. Poor bugger, what a horrible way to go.

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Sounds like the usual load of nonsense by a sensationalist newspaper.
Unfortunately some people will believe it and run with it.
Later investigation and debunking will have no effect on these type of people.

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If he was just there visiting a relative, why was he carting around cylinders of liquid oxygen in the first place? Because the junior staff member asked him to? They really need some health and safety laws over there...
   
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KTG17 wrote:
I was in Mumbai a few years ago visiting a team of mine from work, and at the time one of our team members was in the hospital because she had gotten dengue fever. So we went to visit her, and I was kinda appalled at the hospital. Dirty floors, etc, and she was in there the whole time I was in country, a week and a half. Don't remember how long she was there for, but I kept thinking, man, I wouldn't want to spend 30min in here. Of course mistakes are made here in the US too, all the time, but their standards aren't anywhere near close to ours.


I was in India and a friend had a healthscare - he was bitten and was worried about rabies. A fellow backpacker who was a nurse in real life warned my friend, and gave him some needles in sterile packaging, telling him even doctors will often re-use needles. We were in a small village and went to the local 'hospital', it was a small concrete construction, unrendered, with tiled floors. In the lobby they had hand painted on the wall 'births' with an arrow pointing right, and 'deaths' with an arrow pointing left. Unsurprisingly, they couldn't do anything to treat my friend, so we booked a car and drove to the city. The hospital there looked from the lobby like a proper, decent hopsital, white with clean floors. My friend went in, and said they could treat him, but we needed to get the drug from the chemist over the road. We went to the chemist, it was a street vendor with a bar fridge full of medicines. There had already been a blackout in the few hours we'd been in the city, and it was stinking hot. Anyway, my friend took the medicine back to the hospital, was taken in to different rooms which he said stank of feces. The doctor grabbed a needle, my friend instead took out the needle he was given by the backpacker, the doctor took the needle, opened the sterile packet and then wiped the needle on his arm. My friend upped and left. We flew to Dehli, which has a proper hospital for rich Indians and people who aren't Indian. Treatment went fine.

So end of the day, nothing in that story surprises me at all. Poor bugger, what a horrible way to go.
There's just no real consistency and there's not the money to have nice things in some places. Sometimes you get good doctors in crap places but I wouldn't trust that without someone I trust recommending them. A lot of my family is Indian, one uncle actually works in a hospital which isn't too dissimilar to your average Australian hospital. Further out in to the country (where most my family is from) the hospitals don't look great, but I've still seen good doctors while out there (recommended by my family, not just randomly walking in to one) but I guess there's less controls to stop bad doctors.

I had some pretty serious medical stuff at one stage when I was in India and am still alive thanks to a good doctor in a run down hospital in a small village in the northern mountains.
   
 
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