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What is the collective noun for a group of wargamers?

A 'nerd' of gamers? A 'geekery' of gamers?

Well $74 for the first day, $94 the next.

A 'pod' of gamers.

A "smell" of gamers..

It's a gaggle of gamers. People need to watch more animal channel

40k Radio is once again completely agreeing with GW's views and is spinning this as a massive victory for the "The little guy", repeating those tired old "Your FLGS will go out of business if you don't support them" lies that everyone's heard a million times before. Their rhetoric is so condescending, so greasy, so full of insipid "This is for your own good, trust us" mantra being repeated over and over again that if I didn't know any better, I'd think Romeo was GW's VP for Marketing. Hell, I think they should hire him for services rendered.

Once again, they take every opportunity to insult anyone who doesn't share their instant cult-like adherence to and acceptance of everything GW does, (mentioning this forum by name, even) and associating them with insulting caricatures they whip out of their own feverish imaginations, with only tenuous links to reality.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Stop playing their games

No. you don't have to be horrible people who make the rest of us feel bad and refuse to play with us. Where we buy our miniatures is not really up to you, but if you're not a true gamer than why are you still here? Their game is excellent, their businesses practices not so, but one does not influence the other.

Sam__theRelentless wrote:Where we buy our miniatures is not really up to you, but if you're not a true gamer than why are you still here?

Not that I owe you an explanation, but here goes. There are other games. I'm painting up my stockpile of Warmachine models right now. Looking towards Dystopian Wars next, maybe. I won't leave this forum unless discussion on non-GW product is disallowed. If you don't like it, tough.

Sorry. I was a bit out of line.

The point is, I was just dissecting why most gamers are like me, and how this relates to the problem/discussion


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It was a rhetorical question

Agamemnon2 wrote:repeating those tired old "Your FLGS will go out of business if you don't support them" lies that everyone's heard a million times before.

Not a lie... Many store owners show it to be true as well as many of the out of business places that collapsed under the moochers who never bought anything.

Deepeyes wrote:It's a gaggle of gamers. People need to watch more animal channel

I prefer a 'Funk of Gamers' or possibly a 'Waft of Gamers'.

nkelsch wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:repeating those tired old "Your FLGS will go out of business if you don't support them" lies that everyone's heard a million times before.

Not a lie... Many store owners show it to be true as well as many of the out of business places that collapsed under the moochers who never bought anything.

Many deserve to. That support was only running one way, only the whining we should buy from them, but then they turn around and have no support for the gamer. F'em.

nkelsch wrote:Not a lie... Many store owners show it to be true as well as many of the out of business places that collapsed under the moochers who never bought anything.

Many store owners choose to blame the internet for their store not doing well, yes. Whether or not that's actually true is another story entirely.

insaniak wrote:

nkelsch wrote:Not a lie... Many store owners show it to be true as well as many of the out of business places that collapsed under the moochers who never bought anything.

Many store owners choose to blame the internet for their store not doing well, yes. Whether or not that's actually true is another story entirely.

While my mantra is "Pay where you play", a good store owner shouldn't need to get bitter that people aren't buying from them. If the store is worth playing at, it's worth buying from 98% of the time. If you're having to buy table time, you don't owe that game shop anything more than what you're paying for the space, though. John at Chaos Games and More in Pueblo, CO (for those in the southern CO area) and Chris at Warzone Matrix in Cleveland (Polonius and others will know who i'm referring to), OH are 2 of the people who've fed my plasticrack habit over the past few years, and I wouldn't think to purchase my models from anywhere I wasn't playing unless I couldn't find it there, and didn't feel like waiting for the week and a half or more turnaround time.

As I've posted elsewhere, GW did nothing to help my local independent stores. When the hobby was turning over enough money in the area, they opened a store here and cut them out of the loop. I suspect this happens a lot. My point being, by supporting your FLGS, you could be inadvertently contributing to their demise. Either way, with GW, they're probably screwed.

Aspiring Champion wrote:As I've posted elsewhere, GW did nothing to help my local independent stores. When the hobby was turning over enough money in the area, they opened a store here and cut them out of the loop. I suspect this happens a lot. My point being, by supporting your FLGS, you could be inadvertently contributing to their demise. Either way, with GW, they're probably screwed.

Of course, at that point, wouldn't you be screwed no matter what?

I've often heard this theory put forth, and I have to admit, it does sound plausible, but is there any proof that GW has done this?

Alpharius wrote:

Aspiring Champion wrote:I've often heard this theory put forth, and I have to admit, it does sound plausible, but is there any proof that GW has done this?

Did it to my local back in the early 90s. Just after he ordered a load of stock too, he was not pleased and it took him a long time to shift it. He's still there (albeit on a smaller premises), GW is not though.

Alpharius wrote:

Aspiring Champion wrote:As I've posted elsewhere, GW did nothing to help my local independent stores. When the hobby was turning over enough money in the area, they opened a store here and cut them out of the loop. I suspect this happens a lot. My point being, by supporting your FLGS, you could be inadvertently contributing to their demise. Either way, with GW, they're probably screwed.

Of course, at that point, wouldn't you be screwed no matter what?

I've often heard this theory put forth, and I have to admit, it does sound plausible, but is there any proof that GW has done this?

Call Joe at Comics America up in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada and ask him about how GW assured him that they had no plans to open up a GW store in Winnipeg if he took on their product and then a few months later, there it was, in a mall in the same side of town. Though he might just hang up on you as soon as you mention GW. Good thing his primary business (comics) kept his business going.

Well clearly Joe was an 'internet freeloader', just like everyone else.






Oh, and just for fun, we've tested the GW website now that the embargo is in place. Turns out Australians can order from the UK, but only if it's the GWUK site. GW are, as always, full of crap.

Alpharius wrote:

Aspiring Champion wrote:As I've posted elsewhere, GW did nothing to help my local independent stores. When the hobby was turning over enough money in the area, they opened a store here and cut them out of the loop. I suspect this happens a lot. My point being, by supporting your FLGS, you could be inadvertently contributing to their demise. Either way, with GW, they're probably screwed.

Of course, at that point, wouldn't you be screwed no matter what?

I've often heard this theory put forth, and I have to admit, it does sound plausible, but is there any proof that GW has done this?

In addition to the firsthand examples cited by others, there is a certain logic to GW's actions, owing to their odd status as both a manufacturer and a retailer. They always have to look at their sales to independents in a city and then look at their balance sheet, because every sale that is through an independent is less money then that same sale from their retail spaces. It's the devil's deal that they see as crucial to their business model; it's (of course) the same logic that is behind this whole effort to localize sales.

@HBMC

Of course they can order from GW. GW has distribution centers in AU.

You're not listening.

Ordering from GWUK or US. Paying UK/US (ie. 50% cheaper) prices. These are then shipped from the UK or the US. Nothing comes from the Oz distribution centre.

Which makes GW an 'internet freeloader', as they're not supporting the hobby in Oz. Ha!

Alpharius wrote:

Aspiring Champion wrote:As I've posted elsewhere, GW did nothing to help my local independent stores. When the hobby was turning over enough money in the area, they opened a store here and cut them out of the loop. I suspect this happens a lot. My point being, by supporting your FLGS, you could be inadvertently contributing to their demise. Either way, with GW, they're probably screwed.

Of course, at that point, wouldn't you be screwed no matter what?

I've often heard this theory put forth, and I have to admit, it does sound plausible, but is there any proof that GW has done this?

Not that I have any actual proof but here in Sydney in the late 80's there were 5 "The Tin Soldier" independent stores , a few other independents and no GW . Now GW have 10 and the "The Tin Soldier" stores are no longer as the last one went into recievership just recently . Anywhere , in Sydney, "The Tin Soldier" used to have a store , or there was an independent , there is NOW a GW store .
Go figure !

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're not listening.

Ordering from GWUK or US. Paying UK/US (ie. 50% cheaper) prices. These are then shipped from the UK or the US. Nothing comes from the Oz distribution centre.

Which makes GW an 'internet freeloader', as they're not supporting the hobby in Oz. Ha!

Yeah, that's mind-boggling.

I mean, insofar as they have any logic to their action, it's the fig leaf of "protecting local brick and mortar retailers from unfair, on-line competition". Except, apparently, their own willingness to undermine local brick and mortar establishments. Including their own!

Just stop for a moment and contemplate that: if you want to buy GW products from GW, you save a huge amount by, not walking down the street to their store, but going online and getting it shipped from halfway around the planet.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're not listening.

Ordering from GWUK or US. Paying UK/US (ie. 50% cheaper) prices. These are then shipped from the UK or the US. Nothing comes from the Oz distribution centre.

Which makes GW an 'internet freeloader', as they're not supporting the hobby in Oz. Ha!

Lawyered.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're not listening.

Ordering from GWUK or US. Paying UK/US (ie. 50% cheaper) prices. These are then shipped from the UK or the US. Nothing comes from the Oz distribution centre.

Which makes GW an 'internet freeloader', as they're not supporting the hobby in Oz. Ha!

Woah, woah, waittaminute. Your saying that Aussies can order from the GW UK site, get them at UK prices, and them have them shipped from the UK, completely cutting out Australian GW stores, which was the point of restricting UK stockists selling to people outside of the EU?

That's... that's just... gah! Really? That really is hypocritical.

As to the the above comments pertaining to GW and FLGS's. I must live in some FLGS nirvana. I have 3 Indi stores within 30 minutes (driving) of where I live. 1 of the 3 sells only 40k. Another sells 40k, but has been expanding into Flames of War, Malifaux, Warmachine and Infinity. The last one sells mostly Flames of War, Warmachine/Hordes, and Dystopian Wars. They've only just bought into Warhammer, and it's a tiny section. Their Boardgame sections takes up more space.

The thing is - for these stores, at least - all of them would continue to thrive without GW products. The 1st one gets most of its money from comics and other geek paraphernalia, the 2nd sells comics, and the 3rd only dabbles in 40k.

Buzzsaw wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're not listening.

Ordering from GWUK or US. Paying UK/US (ie. 50% cheaper) prices. These are then shipped from the UK or the US. Nothing comes from the Oz distribution centre.

Which makes GW an 'internet freeloader', as they're not supporting the hobby in Oz. Ha!

Yeah, that's mind-boggling.

I mean, insofar as they have any logic to their action, it's the fig leaf of "protecting local brick and mortar retailers from unfair, on-line competition". Except, apparently, their own willingness to undermine local brick and mortar establishments. Including their own!

Just stop for a moment and contemplate that: if you want to buy GW products from GW, you save a huge amount by, not walking down the street to their store, but going online and getting it shipped from halfway around the planet.

W . T . F

Buzzsaw wrote:Just stop for a moment and contemplate that: if you want to buy GW products from GW, you save a huge amount by, not walking down the street to their store, but going online and getting it shipped from halfway around the planet.

This has been my point for quite some time. There is, no joke, a GW store less than 800 metres from my front door (750m according to Google maps). Getting something from GWUK is cheaper than walking up the road to my (exceptionally) local GW.

I did say when all this embargo crap started than the real test of how truthful it all was would be if GW stopped you from ordering even from themselves in a different country. Seems my fears were realised - you still can, and God-damn that's a lot of egg on their collective faces.

infinite_array wrote:Woah, woah, waittaminute. Your saying that Aussies can order from the GW UK site, get them at UK prices, and them have them shipped from the UK, completely cutting out Australian GW stores, which was the point of restricting UK stockists selling to people outside of the EU?

That's... that's just... gah! Really? That really is hypocritical.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Amazing huh?

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H.M.B.C. wrote:

infinite_array wrote:Woah, woah, waittaminute. Your saying that Aussies can order from the GW UK site, get them at UK prices, and them have them shipped from the UK, completely cutting out Australian GW stores, which was the point of restricting UK stockists selling to people outside of the EU?

That's... that's just... gah! Really? That really is hypocritical.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Amazing huh?

That has to be illegal, right? There has to be something in either UK or EU law that says, and I'm paraphrasing here, 'Hey. Stop being douchebags. You didn't think you could get away with these shenanigans, did you?" And then some Justice rugby tackles Tom Kirby.

frozenwastes wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

Aspiring Champion wrote:As I've posted elsewhere, GW did nothing to help my local independent stores. When the hobby was turning over enough money in the area, they opened a store here and cut them out of the loop. I suspect this happens a lot. My point being, by supporting your FLGS, you could be inadvertently contributing to their demise. Either way, with GW, they're probably screwed.

Of course, at that point, wouldn't you be screwed no matter what?

I've often heard this theory put forth, and I have to admit, it does sound plausible, but is there any proof that GW has done this?

Call Joe at Comics America up in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada and ask him about how GW assured him that they had no plans to open up a GW store in Winnipeg if he took on their product and then a few months later, there it was, in a mall in the same side of town. Though he might just hang up on you as soon as you mention GW. Good thing his primary business (comics) kept his business going.

Games Plus in Mt. Prospect, Illinois. It was one of the best stores in the entire state and definitely the best stocked/selling one in the greater Chicagoland area in the 90's and early 00's during a time when GW had a single store in the entire state... so they decided to open their second store on the SAME road less than a 3 minute drive away in the same small suburb. That store also started getting their stock intermittently filled and frequently late during those first few years (with their new releases *shipping* from GW to them on fridays while the GW store had them on the rack for sale on fridays). It's not a rumor or theory but a fact at least in the case above. I even helped in an undercover sting (lol) when GW denied that they were selling the figs before the FLGS had them; I ended up driving the 1 mile and buying the fig so they could fax the receipt to prove to their rep that he was blatantly (to put it mildly) wrong. The store ended up closing a few years later because no one over the age of 13 gamed or bought anything on a regular basis there. At the time, we normally drew 12-16 people on Thursdays and Tuesdays for 40k from around the city.