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Cough syrup doesnt show up on drug tests. I had an old druggy friend whose parents would test him, so he did cough syrup because it doesnt show up on tests.

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 Alfndrate wrote:
That's fine G_J, it's an interesting thing to point out, but if that were the case... Shrike would also be suspect for possible Robo-trippin due to fact he's always buying skittles.


But Shrike is not(?) black.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cough syrup doesnt show up on drug tests. I had an old druggy friend whose parents would test him, so he did cough syrup because it doesnt show up on tests.


Quite a bit of difference between an over-the-counter piss test for home use, and a pathology toxicology report though.

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Just reading about the defense's witness, who is a forensic expert who testified that TM had to be standing over GZ based on the trajectory of the bullet.

O.o

Didn't know they can ascertain that.

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Bullet probably went in at an angle. Basically entered low and exited high. Even if not I can see how it would be possible to do this.


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 Hulksmash wrote:
Bullet probably went in at an angle. Basically entered low and exited high. Even if not I can see how it would be possible to do this.


What I was referring to is that he was able to ascertain that the evidence indicates the shirt was hanging 2-4 inches away from his skin...which is the distance a shirt would hang from the body were the wearer leaning over someone.

Trying to find a transcript for ya'll...

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 Alfndrate wrote:
But did they find cough syrup in his system? PCP like effects probably mean nothing when he doesn't have any in his system.

For PurpleDrank/Sizzurp you can use Skittles, Arizona Watermelon Iced Tea, and codeine based cough syrup. Trayvon Martin had 2 of the 3 ingredients on him at the time, and had alluded to its use on his Facebook page.

I do not believe that codeine shows up in most drug tests


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 whembly wrote:
What I was referring to is that he was able to ascertain that the evidence indicates the shirt was hanging 2-4 inches away from his skin...which is the distance a shirt would hang from the body were the wearer leaning over someone.

Trying to find a transcript for ya'll...

As well as the trajectory I think part of how they determined that Martin was over him was that there were powder burns on his shirt because it was hanging towards Zimmerman, but no powder burns on his body i.e. his shirt was closer to the muzzle than his torso.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
But did they find cough syrup in his system? PCP like effects probably mean nothing when he doesn't have any in his system.

For PurpleDrank/Sizzurp you can use Skittles, Arizona Watermelon Iced Tea, and codeine based cough syrup. Trayvon Martin had 2 of the 3 ingredients on him at the time, and had alluded to its use on his Facebook page.

I do not believe that codeine shows up in most drug tests



Codiene shows up pretty clearly as an opiod even on an over-the-counter pee test, and would most certainly show up on a serum toxicology screen.
   
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I was gonna google that, but d-usa has probably one of the best chances of knowing wtf shows up on a medical test, considering his occupation.

Also Shrike might not be black, but he is British /nationalism card

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Sizzurp? Damn.

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 d-usa wrote:
Codiene shows up pretty clearly as an opiod even on an over-the-counter pee test, and would most certainly show up on a serum toxicology screen.

I stand corrected, thank you for the clarification.

 
   
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 d-usa wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
But did they find cough syrup in his system? PCP like effects probably mean nothing when he doesn't have any in his system.

For PurpleDrank/Sizzurp you can use Skittles, Arizona Watermelon Iced Tea, and codeine based cough syrup. Trayvon Martin had 2 of the 3 ingredients on him at the time, and had alluded to its use on his Facebook page.

I do not believe that codeine shows up in most drug tests



Codiene shows up pretty clearly as an opiod even on an over-the-counter pee test, and would most certainly show up on a serum toxicology screen.


How long does it stay in the system? If he hadn't used it in several days/weeks, would it still be evident? Weed is pretty unusual in the length of time it remains in the system, as I understand it.

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 djones520 wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
But did they find cough syrup in his system? PCP like effects probably mean nothing when he doesn't have any in his system.

For PurpleDrank/Sizzurp you can use Skittles, Arizona Watermelon Iced Tea, and codeine based cough syrup. Trayvon Martin had 2 of the 3 ingredients on him at the time, and had alluded to its use on his Facebook page.

I do not believe that codeine shows up in most drug tests



Codiene shows up pretty clearly as an opiod even on an over-the-counter pee test, and would most certainly show up on a serum toxicology screen.


How long does it stay in the system? If he hadn't used it in several days/weeks, would it still be evident? Weed is pretty unusual in the length of time it remains in the system, as I understand it.

For Codeine:
Urine - 2 to 4 days
Blood - 12 hours
Saliva - 1 to 4 days
Hair - ~90 days

See this handy dandy chart.

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I don't see Soy Sauce on that chart.

Just sniff the target's breath.

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Well....I can guess what food Monster likes......as for TM...I'm guessing he lite one up before going to the store?

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 Jihadin wrote:
Well....I can guess what food Monster likes......as for TM...I'm guessing he lite one up before going to the store?

Thats why he needed the Skittles!

Evidently defense argued into the night that texts showing TM's propensity to fight be let in. Judge rules this morning.

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Yeah, they've been pushing hard for those. It'd be nice if they got in, but I'm not sure it'll make much difference at this point. The defense has done a great job - even with some of the prosecution's witnesses - at proving Zimmerman was an awful fighter.
   
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Looks as though the judge has not allowed the introduction of the text messages as evidence. At this point, however, they would have simply been the icing on the cake that the prosecution has already baked for Zimmerman.
   
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http://news.yahoo.com/defense-rests-case-george-zimmerman-trial-203300115.html

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — After taking less than a week to call 18 witnesses, George Zimmerman's defense attorneys rested their case Wednesday in the neighborhood watch volunteer's second-degree murder trial.

Prosecutors called their first rebuttal witness immediately afterward— Adam Pollock, the gym owner who had trained Zimmerman. Following rebuttal witnesses, prosecutors and defense attorneys will then work out the jury instructions before presenting closing arguments. The judge then sends the case to six jurors.

Zimmerman never testified. But jurors saw repeated video recordings of Zimmerman telling his side of the story to police investigators. The defense started its case last Friday, and it presented half as many witnesses in half of the time that prosecutors did.

The defense rested on a day when the judge made two rulings that prevented them from introducing two pieces of evidence. Defense attorneys had wanted to present to jurors text messages discussing fighting from Trayvon Martin's cell phone and an animation depicting Zimmerman's fatal fight with Martin. But Judge Debra Nelson sided with prosecutors, who had argued the animation is inaccurate and the texts were irrelevant.

During the four days they presented their case, defense attorneys called Zimmerman's friends, parents and uncle to testify that it is Zimmerman screaming for help on a 911 call that captured sounds of the fatal fight. Martin's mother and brother had testified for the prosecution that it's Martin yelling for help.

Convincing the jury of who was screaming for help on the 911 tape has become the primary goal of prosecutors and defense attorneys because it would help jurors evaluate Zimmerman's self-defense claim.

Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman Sr., was the last witness called by the defense on Wednesday, and he said it's his son yelling for help on the call.

Defense attorneys also called a forensic pathologist who testified that the forensics evidence supports Zimmerman's account of what happened.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and says he shot an unarmed Martin in self-defense during a scuffle in the townhome complex where he lived in February 2012. Martin was there visiting his father and his father's fiancee. Some civil rights activists argued that the initial delay in charging Zimmerman was influenced by Martin's race. Martin was black and Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic. The 44-day delay in Zimmerman's arrest led to protests around the nation.

Earlier Wednesday, defense attorneys called public safety consultant Dennis Root to testify that Martin was in better physical shape than Zimmerman, and that the neighborhood watch volunteer wasn't any athlete.

"He would find himself lacking when compared to Mr. Martin," Root said of Zimmerman.

During cross-examination of Root, prosecutor John Guy used a life-sized foam mannequin in front of the jury to simulate the body positions of Zimmerman and Martin at the time of the shooting.

Straddling the dummy, Guy proposed a scenario in which Martin was on top of Zimmerman and asked Root if it was possible that Martin was backing away from Zimmerman at the time of the fatal gunshot.

"Yes," Root said.

Root also said he may have taken different actions if he were in Zimmerman's situation, but said that "it's just a matter of what you as the individual view as options."

Using the same mannequin during further questioning of Root, defense attorney Mark O'Mara challenged the notion of Martin retreating. Root said that while multiple gun angles were possible, he had no specific information to say what position Martin was in when he was shot.

"I think you're not going to be involved in a conflict like this without it being dynamic," Root said.

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Things got a bit testy between the defense and the judge:



That was... odd...

She should be addressing his representation (lawyer) not Zimmerman.

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/sanford-bill-lee-exclusive/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.

Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.

"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."

When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.

It had nothing to do with Florida's controversial Stand Your Ground law, he said; from an investigative standpoint, it was purely a matter of self-defense.

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I think that was suspected from the start, and was confirmed the more evidence was presented.

 
   
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Question though is will prosecution parties accept the verdict of the jurors and be done with it or escalate further. Anyone else notice the majority of ethnicity of witness's and experts? Juror's and judge?

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That remains to be seen.

 
   
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So will I. Certain individuals and groups have managed to turn an unfortunate incident into something racially motivated, and many of them seemed to think that a trial was a formality.

 
   
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Remember the johanas mehserle trial? the bart shooting? There where race riots about it, i would not be surprised if there where ones if there was no conviction.

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Is there still a bounty on Zimmerman's head? Either way I'm sure plenty of people now have his SSN and other personal information thanks to the news reports that didn't think to block it out.

 
   
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Zimmermann seriously have to consider relocating after this....out of state and out of the eastern USA.

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If there is a credible threat of physical harm to him, and/or his family, then he should be given a new identity should he want it

 
   
 
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