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 -Loki- wrote:
Do we know if the Druze list on Army is complete? Seems pretty limited compared to the other three.

Apparently there’s more to it in the book. What we have now seems to mostly just be what was created for the outrage missions.

Narrative advances should add game options not remove them.

Man, I hope there is more too it, right now its a skeletal force.
I hope they keep Jethro though, and that the other Outrage characters have profiles (even if they are technically 'dead' - they existed and fought before the events in the manga didnt they?)

If they cant keep the JSA options usable to YuJing AND have the new JSA force exist then, for consistency they shouldn't have playable characters that have been canonically been killed in the game.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
...This change has removed over $100 of minis from my Yu Jing force (and no, "you can proxy" them isn't a great compromise because with a huge mini collection as well as mostly playing in a casual home environment I have plenty of models to proxy with already and never needed CB's "okay" to do so in the first place)....

This Yu Jing player, also a WarCor -- I believe he ran the Infinity events at the NOVA Open tournament this past year-- is selling his JSA stuff https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/752148.page I wonder how many others will be selling their JSA or their Yu Jing? That is not an insignificant amount of minis for sale either.

A bit ago I mentioned frustration with how people react to change and here we've got a pretty good example. There's basically two versions of the "selling my collection" narrative players can go with:

1) I have a large number of JSA models that are no longer available to me as I play Vanilla Yu Jing exclusively and selling them as they are of no use to me.

2) I am selling my JSA army because its no longer part of Yu Jing, even though its functionally identical.

I see far too much of the latter, but in either case, nothing seems less rational to me that making it clear you're selling something in anger. I mean, in number 1's spot you're benefiting from a renewed interest in the sectorial creating demand for you models. But go on; get angry on the internet. That'll hurt'em. Nothing will move sales quite as good as letting someone know how horribly abused you were from owning the things you're selling them.


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 plastictrees wrote:
If they cant keep the JSA options usable to YuJing AND have the new JSA force exist then, for consistency they shouldn't have playable characters that have been canonically been killed in the game.

Is anyone actually dead in the fluff that's playable in the game? I thought they just brought people back with cubes for the most part. The times I've generally seen named characters without rules seems to be because they actually died somehow. Look at StarCo for a good example....

The Raiden, apparently.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
...This change has removed over $100 of minis from my Yu Jing force (and no, "you can proxy" them isn't a great compromise because with a huge mini collection as well as mostly playing in a casual home environment I have plenty of models to proxy with already and never needed CB's "okay" to do so in the first place)....

This Yu Jing player, also a WarCor -- I believe he ran the Infinity events at the NOVA Open tournament this past year-- is selling his JSA stuff https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/752148.page I wonder how many others will be selling their JSA or their Yu Jing? That is not an insignificant amount of minis for sale either.

A bit ago I mentioned frustration with how people react to change and here we've got a pretty good example. There's basically two versions of the "selling my collection" narrative players can go with:

1) I have a large number of JSA models that are no longer available to me as I play Vanilla Yu Jing exclusively and selling them as they are of no use to me.

2) I am selling my JSA army because its no longer part of Yu Jing, even though its functionally identical.

I see far too much of the latter, but in either case, nothing seems less rational to me that making it clear you're selling something in anger. I mean, in number 1's spot you're benefiting from a renewed interest in the sectorial creating demand for you models. But go on; get angry on the internet. That'll hurt'em. Nothing will move sales quite as good as letting someone know how horribly abused you were from owning the things you're selling them.

Its because it fits their own personal narrative better, so it has to be that way..

As I said before, I wasn't happy about losing Exrah (which were actually really eliminated from the game, not just given their own separate army((and a second army they can also be used in)) but I was eventually happy with what happened to Combined army later that year. At the time I remember many people claiming they were quitting the game or selling their Combined Army models. But when N3 came out a few months later full of shiny new CA stuff those people were all still there and all excited about their new toys.

I can understand some of the frustration other Yujing players are feeling over losing access to models that they paid for. (On the other hand, if you own even a small number of JSA models you're probably close to having a 100-150 point JSA or Ikari army. So why not give that a try?) but I think a lot of people who are upset over Yujing losing a bunch of profiles and being less viable are over reacting (or at least premature in their complaints)

 jake wrote:
(On the other hand, if you own even a small number of JSA models you're probably close to having a 100-150 point JSA or Ikari army. So why not give that a try?)

Because I've had 9 years to hop on board the JSA train, in that time I've proxied them a number of times to try them out but they simply have never appealed to me as a force. Meanwhile, the actual JSA models I have access to make a pretty terrible JSA force without additional filling out (yes, even as a 100 or 150 force). Roles that are needed for the full JSA list are absent because my collection is focused on specifically useful pieces for vanilla. I enjoy playing vanilla, it's what I started with and the overall style it had access to was very appealing with an interesting combination of viable tactics that included quite a few Japanese units in to the mix. I've had Japanese elements in my vanilla forces since before sectorials were even a thing.

If I wanted to play JSA, then I would have started already, I liked them as an element of vanilla but their sectorial's play style isn't for me. So shuffling all of their profiles beyond my reach basically cuts out a large chunk of the army I've enjoyed for nine years and without a clear indicator of how this will change the faction I've been invested in for over a decade things are feeling pretty bad right now. And having already waited for them to fix the sectorial I enjoy playing (because 2nd Edition ISS was pretty damn terrible straight out of the gate and only got worse once Paradiso-style missions became the norm) I'm not sure if I have another several years of patience in me while they fix vanilla after gutting it of a third of its profiles (and make no mistake, many of those profiles saw frequent use and many of them filled utterly unique roles that other units left in the faction cannot replicate).

If we're getting a sectorial filled back in in a few months and it comes with a bunch of vanilla-relevant profiles then that'll will clear the air quite a bit, but so far CB have given very little indication that there is a fix waiting in the wings and many folks are fearing that vanilla Yu Jing will be left hanging like Shas and MRRF at this point. And they haven't helped messaging with the "drinking Yu Jing tears" comments, talk about it being a hard year for Yu Jing (implying no quick fix incoming), while also informing us that our already over-stuffed sectorial will get more stuffed (which may not help vanilla at all since many unit additions to ISS have been grab bags of bounty hunters and mercs that vanilla can't even touch). Basically, if they had a plan to help Yu Jing out after knocking us down to a single sectorial with a massive chunk of profiles yoinked out, it would have been handy to hear about it before they tried hyping up something they likely wanted us to buy in to, because I'm currently very much not in the spending mood.

But hey, we'll see next week whenever they get around to posting the article.

There are two major trains of thought about fluff and game those that think fluff and game are separate and those that think they should be hand in hand.

I support the later, if you change your fluff it must have impact on the game if i does not I have no respect for the fluff of your IP.

More so if you make an event pumping the player community for changes in the fluff.

Now vanilla Yu Jing are mostly not affected by the change, the only big loss is the Raiden, the only profile used by everybody, who can be replaced by major Lunah, Sinobu and Oniwaban are much more specialised Ninjas, realistically the Ninja can do what they do only slightly less effective, keisotsu and tokusetsu are just been used to save points and Aragoto hackers were really rarely used, practically nobody used any of the other 10 units that left and from the 6 units used 2 were used just for points save and two are just better ninjas.

 Ronin_eX wrote:


If we're getting a sectorial filled back in in a few months and it comes with a bunch of vanilla-relevant profiles then that'll will clear the air quite a bit

Well, as I've said a few times now, there's been exactly one example of anything similar ever happening in the game, and that was exactly the result.

I just noticed that Keisotsu don't have a LGL in their new profiles. I noticed that the MSR was missing, but I missed this. Its kind of a weird omission, isn't it? It feels a little like they just don't want to do an swc box, so they cut out the models that are less likely to see sales as blisters. Which is too bad. I don't plan on replacing my current Keisotsu, and I get a lot of use out of the LGL model. I guess she'll just become a normal Combi Keisotsu.

I suppose I’ve got the benefit of there being no official presence in my group. The JSA units are in the 3rd edition books, and always will be, so I’ll continue using them in my non-sectoral forces.

Oh hai new Ramah Task Force model. How you doin'?



New Gabriel De Fersen.

I like my De Fersen. Maybe with a head from somewhere the new one could make a decent Sepulchre (all that junk around his neck is the holo array or something?).

No clue exactly what it is around his neck, but maybe the head looks better when it's not a blurry mess render or a derptastic photo.

Personally, I'd give him a Knight helmeted head.

Helmet was too expensive, he had to settle with the toilet seat.

They are loudspeakers that recite the holy texts of his order.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I suppose I’ve got the benefit of there being no official presence in my group. The JSA units are in the 3rd edition books, and always will be, so I’ll continue using them in my non-sectoral forces.

just download the current version of the Army Builder which has the intact Yu Jing and don't bother updating it.

Hakim (imaginative name, that) is for the RTF? Intriguing. Will it be an Akbar doctor or doctor plus?

De Fersen is now a Space Marine® librarian? Hard pass on this mini.

Helmetless heads help differentiate higher ranks. Anyone who has been near Warhammer knows this.

He always was a hacker doesn't change now.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Hakim (imaginative name, that) is for the RTF? Intriguing. Will it be an Akbar doctor or doctor plus?

Current speculation is it's probably going to be a cheaper Akbar doctor. The problem with Haqqislam is it's hard to make a dedicated Doctor without being redundant due to the amazing amount of combat Doctors the faction already has. A cheaper, 20ish point Akbar Doctor would be something new.

Wonder if he comes with a helper bot or if thats just on the same dossier for display purposes

I wonder if thats an updated Helper Bot?

Love them both!
Looking forward to painting DeFerson!

It's definitely an updated design for the Nasmat. After the Kanren dossier showing Mad Traps and neither of the blisters having them, I don't expect models to actually follow the dossier anymore, so I'm guessing they were put on there to show the new design and that's it.

Assuming of course that it's a blister. If it's part of a box, I'd assume the new Nasmats will be there.

For anyone who wanted to see the Rumble on Route 66 seminar.

Be warned, someone says "gak"!


PS:
"Raicho resculpt is on the schedule".
"Tankhunter with ADHL model soon-ish".

So, I'm thinking the Tartary Army Korps will have a Tankhunter ADHL in it.

A Raicho resculpt is something that I won't even be the slightest bit upset about.

That model was one of my most anticipated Infinity releases ever but ended up being one of the most disappointing miniatures ever!

Raicho resculpt! I really like the original, but unfortunately it came right at the end of the original Morats, and just doesn't fit super well with the more modern design. Plus its kind of small. Still love it, but will also love a new verision. Also, great excuse to try a double raicho list!

I wonder if a big Morat release like that means they have any plans for the sectorial?

 jake wrote:
Raicho resculpt! I really like the original, but unfortunately it came right at the end of the original Morats, and just doesn't fit super well with the more modern design. Plus its kind of small. Still love it, but will also love a new verision. Also, great excuse to try a double raicho list!

I wonder if a big Morat release like that means they have any plans for the sectorial?

No, Bostria literally just mentioned the Raicho. He said they're happy with MAF but Raicho needs love.