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 PsychoticStorm wrote:

It is a mining colony on a far away planet with no indication of any civilian area and we have a kabuki theatre troupe, orphans, more military and scientists than technicians and miners and a ton of odd characters that are not what a mining outpost that is been set up would require and now a space pirate that looks like captain hook (except he does not have a hook just a cybernetic arm) ectr ectr....

Where is the direction in this one?


Why are options bad? You dont have to use them all or any if you dont want to.

D&D monster manuals have sold in the millions over the years and I would guess 0% of Dungeon Masters have used every monster profile in the book, does that make the book bad?

As for 'why are they here' justification well....... "There was an alien spacecraft there. A derelict ship. We homed on its beacon..."
   
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@Gitzbitah You're suggesting CMON didn't arrange things this way on purpose? My interpretation is that CMON is exploring the boundaries of FOMO sales psychology.

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 Gitzbitah wrote:
More seriously, I wonder if they're keeping the Dark Side from being a pledge level to avoid having backers see the numbers.


There is no reason why they couldn't let backers choose which starter game they prefer to have for their bundle.

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 Gitzbitah wrote:
More seriously, I wonder if they're keeping the Dark Side from being a pledge level to avoid having backers see the numbers.


There is no reason why they couldn't let backers choose which starter game they prefer to have for their bundle.


The funding level would drop if they allowed that choise, because many would switch to Dark and leave Invader off altogether. People have already said so. They would prefer to go solely with Dark.

Then would Invader (the main product that will actually go to the stores) even sell enough copies to fund it?

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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Sure, the final take of the campaign will give CMON feedback one way or another. But the endless posting of the same complaints? What does that accomplish besides annoying people here? CMON isn't monitoring this thread, and even if they were, they aren't changing the designs of anything in this campaign. The designs are pretty much set. We all know this.


Actually, I've messaged CMON through KS links to this and BGG's Dark Side threads requesting a Dark Side pledge. Invaders is clearly not performing as well as Green Horde -- or even Black Plague. It's up to CMON do decide whether or not to read these complaints or make less money than their previous Zombicide campaign. These comments are pretty much the same over two of their largest target audiences.

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Well, this cleared the 2 million mark. Our next stretch goal is Pris, to go along with Roy Batty. Funny enough, I think she looks more like an 80's anime character than she does Pris Stratton. Sadly, she doesn't look too much like Priss Asagiri though. :(

   
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ced1106 wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Sure, the final take of the campaign will give CMON feedback one way or another. But the endless posting of the same complaints? What does that accomplish besides annoying people here? CMON isn't monitoring this thread, and even if they were, they aren't changing the designs of anything in this campaign. The designs are pretty much set. We all know this.


Actually, I've messaged CMON through KS links to this and BGG's Dark Side threads requesting a Dark Side pledge. Invaders is clearly not performing as well as Green Horde -- or even Black Plague. It's up to CMON do decide whether or not to read these complaints or make less money than their previous Zombicide campaign. These comments are pretty much the same over two of their largest target audiences.

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Are you saying that if CMON now changes horses in midstream, it would all of sudden get GH level of funding?

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 Barzam wrote:
Well, this cleared the 2 million mark. Our next stretch goal is Pris, to go along with Roy Batty. Funny enough, I think she looks more like an 80's anime character than she does Pris Stratton. Sadly, she doesn't look too much like Priss Asagiri though. :(






It’s nice to have a Bladerunner set but I think the 3 will do now. The dolls head on the belt is great.

I agree this needs actual miners in the mining colony maybe they will turn up as companions if there are non KS exclusive ones.

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 Col Hammer wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 Gitzbitah wrote:
More seriously, I wonder if they're keeping the Dark Side from being a pledge level to avoid having backers see the numbers.


There is no reason why they couldn't let backers choose which starter game they prefer to have for their bundle.


The funding level would drop if they allowed that choise, because many would switch to Dark and leave Invader off altogether. People have already said so. They would prefer to go solely with Dark.

Then would Invader (the main product that will actually go to the stores) even sell enough copies to fund it?


That drop assumes that everybody who wants Dark was already willing to buy Invader to get it, and yet, you know that is true. The number of die-hards willing to swallow the gak sandwich that is Invader are definitely outnumbered by the people who are sitting on their wallets waiting for a Miner pledge that's fair. If Dark is the better product, they should have led with it, rather than making it an option that you have to buy with Invader. They would have gotten a lot more people on board. In fact, if CMoN didn't tell me about Dark, I wouldn't even be back here at all.

   
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I much prefer the base game. Over equipped space marines against gribbley is much less interesting to me than a motley band of civilians and dregs of a security force.

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Like I said, give me a set of gritty space miners in an add-on set and I'll throw down money for them. Toss in another set with some Nortec commandos looking to perform a hostile takeover of the base, and I'll throw down even more money!

   
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Hmm... I wonder if a certain physicist with a penchant for crowbar will be making an appearance at some point


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Actually that is a good point. We've got back to the future and blade runner but not Gordon Freeman or Isaac or big Jim Raynor.. Maybe there is hope for a decent miner/engineer/scientist set to come

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If only this campaign had a mining-themed expansion for the miner/engineer/scientist set...

   
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 Col Hammer wrote:
Are you saying that if CMON now changes horses in midstream, it would all of sudden get GH level of funding?


Would you settle for more backers, more money, and more SG's?

Given the negative reception to the pre-campaign teasers of the sculpts for the original set and positive comments for the Dark Side sculpts, I believe the campaign would do as well or better than GH had the it originally offered either base game as a choice.

Or shelve one of the base games until they need another Zombicide campaign. (And deliver the previous one, first!)

Anyway, tomorrow's another day, and another KS. Hopefully, I won't have to pledge $200 to get $100 worth of stuff I'm interested in.

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 Azazelx wrote:
Is it just me or is CMON getting more and more cynical each campaign?

It's not just me, is it?


I haven't traditionally followed c'mon campaigns since the original Zombicide; what do you mean? This one feels more grimdark in its setting but I don't have a frame of reference for more than that.


I don't mean theme. I mean the way the campaigns are put together. First we're getting ...odd shipping quotes in pledge managers that are WAY higher than the estimates (and don't bs yourself that they don't know what will be in the campaign at it's conclusion). Now we've got an entire additional boxed game as an add-on, when it would usually be it's own campaign with it's own stretch goals and so forth - but featuring Xenos designs that appear to be WAY more popular then the ones offered in the "core" set...

I'll even forgive them calling it Zombicide rather than Xenocide, despite featuring 0% Zombies...

   
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Apart from the game having nothing to do with Orson Scott Card, the "Zombicide" name is for brand recognition. Same reason GW called their sci fi game "Warhammer 40,000".
   
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Yeah, I did consider that. For some reason I'd have expected a Space Zombicide to feature space zombies, though.
Even if it also had not-Xenomorphs.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
@Gitzbitah You're suggesting CMON didn't arrange things this way on purpose? My interpretation is that CMON is exploring the boundaries of FOMO sales psychology.



Wow, that's more cynical than I was willing to go! I'm suggesting they pitched all of these products as the Space Zombie game, and their company overlords chose the one they thought was best- and they were wrong.


As the campaign wore on, they revealed this one in response to backer requests.

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 Azazelx wrote:
I'll even forgive them calling it Zombicide rather than Xenocide, despite featuring 0% Zombies...


Are they some sort of mind-controlled human hosts for a parasitic alien infestation? OK, not exactly Romero-style undead, but close enough for me. Close enough that potential customers who are already fans of Zombicide will have an idea of the basic gameplay - avoid / run away from the ever-growing slow-moving horde.

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Much as I'd like to believe they thought they could use the 'better' add on set to sell the 'worse' general release set I don't,

simply because Zombicide actually sells well at retail, and even if they got extra cash in a one off KS way it wouldn't replace the longer term sales of the general release set in stores and on websites


The only reason I could see for them not taking the 'best' set possible to general retail is if they felt it was vunerable to an IP based legal challenge, and despite the look being closer to many film/tv/SF games I don't see anything that really fits the bill there

(if it was a brand new IP with no ongoing sales numbers to back it up, then I probably would agree CMON were doing it)

I'm not even certain that the new add on set is more popular (despite liking it better myself, and seeing many here agreeing), it is clearly more popular with a lot of folk that didn't particularly like the original base game, but in terms of overall numbers who knows

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We saw them sell exclusively to Ks with Hate. Do we know that the latest Zombiecide sales numbers are still up? Perhaps each new release has seen diminishing numbers.


Either way, why would they expect the customer base to buy the inferior product at retail instead of not buying at all?

   
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AndrewGPaul wrote:Apart from the game having nothing to do with Orson Scott Card, the "Zombicide" name is for brand recognition. Same reason GW called their sci fi game "Warhammer 40,000".


Azazelx wrote:Yeah, I did consider that. For some reason I'd have expected a Space Zombicide to feature space zombies, though.
Even if it also had not-Xenomorphs.


Zombicide games are about zombies, so calling this a branding recognition thing is deceiving and IMO diluting the brand into something vague.

Personally I was especting zombies in space and not spacehulk for that I have war in 40.000 millenium products covered by GW.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
We saw them sell exclusively to Ks with Hate. Do we know that the latest Zombiecide sales numbers are still up? Perhaps each new release has seen diminishing numbers.
Either way, why would they expect the customer base to buy the inferior product at retail instead of not buying at all?


Good question. I'm curious as well.

fwiw, Here are the KS backer numbers, at least.

Green Horde: 27,236
Black Plague: 20,915
Season 3: 12,011
Season 2: 8,944
Season 1: 5,258

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So, they are likely moving to an entirely Kickstart-based sales program. Most of those additional backers likely came from the ranks of retail customers who had made the first two seasons successful for the FLGS's.


CMON may have the network and the name recognition, but I can't help feeling like they got caught halfassing it on this one, especially after competing products have already carved out the KS niche, such as Mantic's Star Saga, Prodos' Chronicle X, and even Sedition Wars to some extent. I don't know the sports, but if I had to make an analogy, I'd say CMON brought their B game midseason.

   
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The preference of the Darkside design over the Invader designs may be overstated on this board. Personally, I much prefer the Invader alien designs to those in Darkside (with the caveat that I find the abominations in both sets to be awful). The aliens in Invader pass my "could natural selection have selected such a thing?" suspension of disbelief threshhold. Those in Darkside look like the designs came out of the notebook of the "edgey" 15 year old from school. They are just corded muscle with claws and armor. They just look silly and try hard to me. They don't even have hands that would work (claws too long). I can imagine them as some sort of demon, purpose built for killing, but not a sentient species
   
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 Gallahad wrote:
The preference of the Darkside design over the Invader designs may be overstated on this board. Personally, I much prefer the Invader alien designs to those in Darkside (with the caveat that I find the abominations in both sets to be awful). The aliens in Invader pass my "could natural selection have selected such a thing?" suspension of disbelief threshhold. Those in Darkside look like the designs came out of the notebook of the "edgey" 15 year old from school. They are just corded muscle with claws and armor. They just look silly and try hard to me. They don't even have hands that would work (claws too long). I can imagine them as some sort of demon, purpose built for killing, but not a sentient species


I feel the same way. I like the look of the Driller Hunters better than those in Invader, and Green Squad are a slight improvement over the original offering of power armored survivors, but that's it. Beyond that, I really don't see much difference between the two, especially in quality.
   
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 Azazelx wrote:
I'll even forgive them calling it Zombicide rather than Xenocide, despite featuring 0% Zombies...


"Xenocide" is probably already taken by Orson Scott Card, so it's not an option.

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 Azazelx wrote:
I'll even forgive them calling it Zombicide rather than Xenocide, despite featuring 0% Zombies...


"Xenocide" is probably already taken by Orson Scott Card, so it's not an option.


CMON have the trademark for Xenocide boardgame but they got cold feet over the name and didn't use it.


https://trademarks.justia.com/874/88/xenocide-87488225.html



I really don't want to delve much into this "Xenocide" thing, so I'll only address it once. Of course when developing this game we considered the name Xenocide, among others. But we soon came to the conclusion that it would still be a Zombicide game, and so should be named as such. Plus, you are fighting zombie aliens, so a name change wasn't really necessary.

Apr 11 2018 on Zombicide: Invader

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, they are likely moving to an entirely Kickstart-based sales program. Most of those additional backers likely came from the ranks of retail customers who had made the first two seasons successful for the FLGS's.


Good point. They'e done it with Rise of Moloch and HATE, as well as one of the Massive Darkness supplements? I'm just surprised they'd do this with their Zombicide franchise, or at least saying they might close the door on retail sales.

OTOH, Monolith went with a KSE model, even with Batman, so it's not like it's a totally new idea...

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Interesting - I only recall "Xenocide" from the book. https://www.amazon.com/Xenocide-Quintet-Orson-Scott-Card/dp/0812509250

   
 
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