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Voss wrote:
Well, pricing _that_ low could cause other problems, especially for a public company.

Even if the shareholders and etc. weren't the case, there is a minimum threshold for pricing, where if you go too low, it gives the impression that you don't value the product or the customers. For a start collecting box, I'd agree with the $60-80 as more reasonable, for a box like this? $60-80 would send the message that they know they're selling junk. Put it in somewhere double that range ($120-160), and it would look about right for a bundle that feels worthwhile.

I suspect $150 would have gotten people quite excited.
As we've seen, doubling again just reasonably makes people go


At 150 I wouldn't have questioned buying this box. Same with 170. At 200 it becomes a hard sell. At nearly 300? No way.


 
   
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 Sabotage! wrote:

At 150 I wouldn't have questioned buying this box. Same with 170. At 200 it becomes a hard sell. At nearly 300? No way.


Not at all for me. 2 gangs I have no interest in playing, and a little bit of terrain that will be available later- and a poster map, rather than a board?

I'll pass hard on this one.

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Wait 300 usd?

were was that leaked?

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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

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 Desubot wrote:
Wait 300 usd?

were was that leaked?


The GW release schedule for the rest of the year. So far it's been pretty spot on.


 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've asked Andy if the rulebook in this new box makes the existing hardback one obsolete.

From what they said on the stream, this is supposed to be just for this boxed set as an entry point. There was a brief mention of it having been printed for the box itself, hence the title of "Dark Uprising" on the rulebook itself.
   
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I've got my fingers crossed that this box set is going to be treated as a new starter set ala Underhive. I genuinely think the content is worth the price. I just can't afford it this month. but if it's still available in 4 or 5 months I will absolutely buy it.
   
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I'll see if I can find that out as well...

   
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I could afford it. I just can't justify that price range even to myself, for what it has.

Also, I don't wanna. Buying this kind of crap deal gives the wrong message, IMHO.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
I could afford it. I just can't justify that price range even to myself, for what it has.

Also, I don't wanna. Buying this kind of crap deal gives the wrong message, IMHO.


This is a very succinct way of expressing my sentiments. I don't have an issue affording this, but the price just isn't justifiable. I'd rather not give it to GW making an obvious push to see what is the max they can charge for a starter. If I'm going to drop 300 bucks on a single product this season I'd rather buy my nieces a Switch or something.


 
   
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balmong7 wrote:
I've got my fingers crossed that this box set is going to be treated as a new starter set ala Underhive. I genuinely think the content is worth the price. I just can't afford it this month. but if it's still available in 4 or 5 months I will absolutely buy it.


If I understood correctly you are still going to have to buy the hardcover rulebook if you want to play Necromunda full on.

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Would make warhammer community article blatant liar then. Well not that it would be surprising.

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Voss wrote:


I suspect $150 would have gotten people quite excited.
As we've seen, doubling again just reasonably makes people go


At $150 I would have bought 3 to 4 sets. At $290 I'm buying none. For me it isn't a matter of affordability, it's a matter of principle. The pricing is veering into games console territory as someone earlier mentioned. At that price point the value proposition just isn't there.

Additionally, this puts me off from wanting to buy any GW products going forward. For decades I've become acclimated to the gradual price increases. Put a frog in water and slowly get it to boil and they don't notice. Throw them in a boiling pot... They're gonna feel the burn. GW just threw us in the boiling pot and I'm not liking the burn.

After 25 years of supporting GW, I think I may have reached my limit.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
I've got my fingers crossed that this box set is going to be treated as a new starter set ala Underhive. I genuinely think the content is worth the price. I just can't afford it this month. but if it's still available in 4 or 5 months I will absolutely buy it.


If I understood correctly you are still going to have to buy the hardcover rulebook if you want to play Necromunda full on.

Your understanding from what?

As the name implies, it’s a book that contains the rules! This contains absolutely everything you need to play Necromunda. But it has so much more than that – it features details of the rise of the Corpse Grinder Cults and the fall of Hive Arcos, as well as details for creating your own Enforcer Patrol or Corpse Grinder Cult. There’s also a new campaign, which follows the descent of a hive into the grips of a Chaos uprising and six scenarios that capture the deterioration into lawlessness.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
I've got my fingers crossed that this box set is going to be treated as a new starter set ala Underhive. I genuinely think the content is worth the price. I just can't afford it this month. but if it's still available in 4 or 5 months I will absolutely buy it.


If I understood correctly you are still going to have to buy the hardcover rulebook if you want to play Necromunda full on.

Your understanding from what?

As the name implies, it’s a book that contains the rules! This contains absolutely everything you need to play Necromunda. But it has so much more than that – it features details of the rise of the Corpse Grinder Cults and the fall of Hive Arcos, as well as details for creating your own Enforcer Patrol or Corpse Grinder Cult. There’s also a new campaign, which follows the descent of a hive into the grips of a Chaos uprising and six scenarios that capture the deterioration into lawlessness.


Well if he want to see the trading post for other weapon profile outside of the one the gang in that box used, play other gang, hire Bounty hunter, and probably hiring hanger-on, brute....etc. he had to buy the books.

Or maybe I'm wrong and the book had everything, Enforcer don't use trading post, and probably so does Corpse Grinder Cult.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
I've got my fingers crossed that this box set is going to be treated as a new starter set ala Underhive. I genuinely think the content is worth the price. I just can't afford it this month. but if it's still available in 4 or 5 months I will absolutely buy it.


If I understood correctly you are still going to have to buy the hardcover rulebook if you want to play Necromunda full on.

Your understanding from what?

As the name implies, it’s a book that contains the rules! This contains absolutely everything you need to play Necromunda. But it has so much more than that – it features details of the rise of the Corpse Grinder Cults and the fall of Hive Arcos, as well as details for creating your own Enforcer Patrol or Corpse Grinder Cult. There’s also a new campaign, which follows the descent of a hive into the grips of a Chaos uprising and six scenarios that capture the deterioration into lawlessness.

"Everything you need to play" is the questionable bit. It might just end up being a quick-start booklet with the most basic mechanics and stats for Enforcers/CGC. So yeah, it technically gives you everything you need to play Skirmish games with those two, but it's not really what we'd consider Da Rules anymore than we'd consider the free 40k 8th PDF on the GW website such.

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The Necromunda: Underhive rulebook had absolutely everything you needed to play Necromunda: Underhive.

I'm sure the Necromunda: Dark Uprising book will have everything you need to play Necromunda: Dark Uprising.
   
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Always wanted an upper tier for my zm board. I’m assuming it’s going to take a lot of work to modify the new bits to fit


On the stream this past Thursday they stated the terrain was designed to work with existing ZM tiles (and sector mechanicus terrain).



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GW were pretty explicit about Blood of The Phoenix being a campaign book and they're pretty explicit about it having everything you need to play Necromunda, not just Dark Uprising. I don't see why there is a dispute about this.

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"Everything you need to play" is the questionable bit. It might just end up being a quick-start booklet with the most basic mechanics and stats for Enforcers/CGC. So yeah, it technically gives you everything you need to play Skirmish games with those two, but it's not really what we'd consider Da Rules anymore than we'd consider the free 40k 8th PDF on the GW website such.

The "most basic mechanics" part is covered on the Quick Reference Sheets shown here, right?
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My understanding, which is going off the stream from last week and the product info they've posted so far is that this at least contains the core rules of Necromunda:
Warhammer Community wrote:Just in case the box isn’t full enough, you also get a rulebook, which contains lore, background, all of the core rules of Necromunda and the two gangs in the box, and a new campaign. And you’ll get all of the accessories that you need to play. Phew!


Serious question, as I'm not sure of what all is necessary for Necromunda:
Do you need to buy the rulebook if you're working off of The Underhive box for Goliaths or Escher?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Serious question, as I'm not sure of what all is necessary for Necromunda:
Do you need to buy the rulebook if you're working off of The Underhive box for Goliaths or Escher?


It's complicated! Depends if they have the expanded campaign sections, trading post and associated information. If that's cut out then, yes, you can play Necromunda out the box but not as an extended campaign just a series of One Shots or as a limited campaign...

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No, you can play a full game of Goliaths vs Eschers with just Underhive. I mean, it has no rules for 3d terrain, any equipment not on the plastic sprues or a xampaign system, but it is by all definitions of GW apologists a full game.

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No, you can play a full game of Goliaths vs Eschers with just Underhive. I mean, it has no rules for 3d terrain, any equipment not on the plastic sprues or a xampaign system, but it is by all definitions of GW apologists a full game.

What has the 3D terrain rules and the like?
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
No, you can play a full game of Goliaths vs Eschers with just Underhive. I mean, it has no rules for 3d terrain, any equipment not on the plastic sprues or a xampaign system, but it is by all definitions of GW apologists a full game.


Well....the equipment lis is wrong, the cost is wrong, the stat is wrong, so does the ganger cost, and the skills, and there're no Juve, and many more,.... with these "knowledge" in mind, you brought them into a normal game with everyone, you'll end up look like an alien.

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 Kanluwen wrote:

What has the 3D terrain rules and the like?
Gang War 1 has the rules for 3D terrain and the Turf War(?) campaign. Underhive only has rules for the cardboard tiles and one-off skirmish games, so it doesn't have rules for a trading post, for example.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:

What has the 3D terrain rules and the like?
Gang War 1 has the rules for 3D terrain and the Turf War(?) campaign. Underhive only has rules for the cardboard tiles and one-off skirmish games, so it doesn't have rules for a trading post, for example.

Got it.
And Gang War got individual volumes collected into the $60 rulebook they sell now, right?

PS: I really appreciate the answers, folks. It's making me feel a bit more comfortable with the purchase of Dark Uprising as a 'standalone' starting point, and knowing I'd need more books later if I wanted to build out from there.
   
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