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Hey,
I asked on this on the DG threat, but didn't get any comments, so trying one last time as it's own tactics thread. I ordered some new models and I want to try to get warptime on my DG list. I got a terminator sorcerer for it and a squad of blightlord termies. I also have a DP with wings which would greatly benefit from it aswell. So my question is, with my current minis what is an competitive way using it.
I was planning on a patrol detachment for the termie sorcerer with cultists for screening and feeding the dead (DWA strat.) But I'm having real difficulties to create a list that could compete against my BA list that I want my friend to field against me on a batrep to be made.
I've created a competetive DA gunline / BA smashline list and have hard time finding ways to counter create a list to a list that I already know, I only see many ways to lose :(
BA&DA list is:
Spoiler:
Batallion (BA)
Lemartes
Mephiston (quickening, wings of Sanguinius, unleash rage)
So if you could help me to create a good and entertaining battle report for you all. Is my DG list anyway near equivalent? Only things that MUST be included in the list are the new models I bought: PBC, MPH, BL termies and the warptime sorcerer.
I would recommend just creating a small "Chaos" detachment to squeeze in your Warptimes. Any unit that doesn't intend to make use of Inexorable Advance (and any unit that doesn't particularly care about potential Legion Tactics) is a great candidate for inclusion in such a detachment.
For instance, you could include Poxwalkers in mixed Chaos detachments, because they gain no benefit from Inexorable Advance as it is. The same holds true for most HQ choices, Noxious Blightbringers, Foul Blightspawn, Biologus Putrifiers, etc.
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2018/02/07 00:30:03
Subject: DG list wants warptime, how to proceed? Help me create a list to compete!
A thousand sons terminator sorceror would probably be my preferred choice. Can deep strike, has 6" range bonus and gets plus 1 to cast the first power using a familiar.
DFTT
2018/02/07 10:48:50
Subject: DG list wants warptime, how to proceed? Help me create a list to compete!
My question is what are your casting warp time on? Because it’s probably only worth the hassle of adding a detachment for Morty. Your other characters - up to and including daemon princes - don’t especially need warp time because they can hide behind other units anyway. Indeed, throwing them out on their own is a very good way to get them killed.
2018/02/07 13:34:39
Subject: DG list wants warptime, how to proceed? Help me create a list to compete!
Atleast in the list above I was planning on using the warptime to get my BL termie squad in charge range to tie "that one unit" in combat or if needed drop the sorc near the DP to give him extra range if it feels a better maneuver than the BL termies back line rush. Against the above BA list, I'll wish I could move through screens and reach the DA gunline so I have time to move my slow army closer.
I have index, but I don't use it. Just DG and CSM codex.
What do you think of the above list I'm leaning towards, a good start? Patrol detachment with 1x cultists the best option or let's say take take a vanguard AL detachment with plasma plague marine squads and use the forward operatives to get the plasma in range of that gunline or screen T1? That with the BL termie dropping in might buy precious time for the rest of the army to show up.. Hmm.
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2018/02/09 16:07:38
Subject: DG list wants warptime, how to proceed? Help me create a list to compete!
There's probably stuff you want from CSM anyways, like Obliterators.
Add a Spearhead with a Nurgle Sorcerer and 3 squads of Obliterators, 700 points, and you probably won't be sad about adding Obliterators.
Done, plus you got a CP and if you throw in a Nurgle Daemons detachment you've got some nice synergy all across the list.
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2018/02/15 11:00:08
Subject: DG list wants warptime, how to proceed? Help me create a list to compete!
There is a picture in codex death guard of the plastic daemon prince called a daemon prince of nurgle.
The name= datasheet argument is invalid and silly. It's down to the players judgement to assign the most appropriate datasheet to thier model. And we are told to use a codex datasheet if available. There's really no argument any more for using the index.
DFTT
2018/02/15 12:46:40
Subject: DG list wants warptime, how to proceed? Help me create a list to compete!
In all this debate is there also an argument that I can't use a "regular DP with wings model" to represent a DP of Nurgle?
On the DG codex page 62, there's one kitbashed and a text saying that it's an conversion, it's clearly made from the normal DP parts - the head and nurglings. Or is this debate all about which dataslate to use present day in a pure DG list?
2018/02/18 17:23:51
Subject: DG list wants warptime, how to proceed? Help me create a list to compete!
Captyn_Bob wrote: There is a picture in codex death guard of the plastic daemon prince called a daemon prince of nurgle.
The name= datasheet argument is invalid and silly. It's down to the players judgement to assign the most appropriate datasheet to thier model. And we are told to use a codex datasheet if available. There's really no argument any more for using the index.
Using an index when a codex exists is cheese and very neck-beardy. It reeks of trying to rules lawyer something that isn't meant by the rules. My 2 cents.
2018/02/18 22:05:42
Subject: DG list wants warptime, how to proceed? Help me create a list to compete!
OT- I'm thinking thousand Sons supreme command. Terminator sorceror to cast with familiar and two other sorcerors.
+1 to cast on first cast, and stratagem gets you plus two.
if feeling silly, make him your warlord for a trait of an additional =1. then take the relic of any double means the cast cannot be prevented.
Is a nearly guaranteed warptime worth all this? Probably not. But they can throw out smites and other useful powers, and have a 9" range on the warptime and arrive form reserves, so probably join the fray within a safe pox bubble.
