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I'm stoked about necromunda, but a bit put
off by all the dudes. Which gangs would likely
see a female release? Someone explained to
me the Escher fluff and why there wouldn't be
gang fighter males in Escher, but isn't there space
in the fluff and in gw sales for female Delaques
and such? I'd gladly buy two sets of the same
gang for more gender variety.

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Still kinda stuns me why this even matters, but to answer your question:

Orlocks
Van Saar
Delaque
Scavvies
Ratskins
Spyrers
Chaos Cults
Genestealer Cults

Not Escher, not Goliath and I just don't see Cawdor and the Reds doing it.

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The issue with putting male and female models in the same plastic kit is the bits and heads/pieces will not be interchangeable very much. Eldar are slim and androgynous so it works in their kits. But not so much in the limited space of the 1 sprue (doubled) that Necromunda gangs are getting. There is already not much variety in the current kits they are doing, which is why they need a resin weapons upgrade kit from FW.

But if you're willing to convert or hold out for alternate resin models, the Orlocks have a strong female presence. I don't see why they wouldn't fit into Delaque, Cawdor and Van Saar either...though in fewer numbers. Cawdor are just religious nuts and poor people cobbled together, don't see why some women wouldn't fit into their gang if their living situation demands it.

 
   
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It matters because I want whole kits of them?

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I actually seem to remember reading a PDF of the old book and pretty sure there were female Goliath's.


You could always buy some Escher's and another gang and kit bash them together. Pretty sure the only gangs that were gender based was Escher and maybe Goliath, but I'm sure Ive seen a picture of a female Goliath.



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In terms of why- variety is the spice of life, and it makes sense for gangs to be mixed in the environment they are in. It is also in the fluff, so it is nice to get accurate fluf representation. A third reason is better representation for many of the people playing the game, who may be a bit fed up of token female factions and sausage fests. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? No. But it doesn't hurt anyone (especially if they are separate kits) and gives more options and representation. So I am all for it.

I actually really like the Orlocks, but the lack of gender diversity is something I found dissapointing. Enough so that I don't want to buy the kit unless some is in the pipeline in a meaningful way. This would've been the gang to pull me into Necromunda too (I've not invested yet). I know I am not alone in this either, plenty of other people have voiced dissapointment at the fact only Escher and ex-Escher models are available in Necromunda so far. It seems to me that GW are likely missing out on a potential segment of the market by not doing it.

 Thargrim wrote:
The issue with putting male and female models in the same plastic kit is the bits and heads/pieces will not be interchangeable very much. Eldar are slim and androgynous so it works in their kits. But not so much in the limited space of the 1 sprue (doubled) that Necromunda gangs are getting. There is already not much variety in the current kits they are doing, which is why they need a resin weapons upgrade kit from FW.

But if you're willing to convert or hold out for alternate resin models, the Orlocks have a strong female presence. I don't see why they wouldn't fit into Delaque, Cawdor and Van Saar either...though in fewer numbers. Cawdor are just religious nuts and poor people cobbled together, don't see why some women wouldn't fit into their gang if their living situation demands it.

See, I thought this, and some model makers have done a good job of producing sexually dimorphic model ranges. Victoria miniatures is the best example of this.

However, loads of people have done conversions using Statuesque miniatures heads, and frankly this often looks really good with a simple headswap. I think that at 28mm heroic, dimorphic features beyond the obvious (face and some degree of bosom) just aren't necessary with the other wacky proportions. I think having a single torso, or two torsos (or an alternate set of 5) with a slightly raised bosom (no boob plate etc unless it fits the aesthetic for that gang) would be more than acceptable. Obviously along with some female heads for the gang sprue.

Even ignoring that heroic proportions are odd to begin with, it is entirely possible that women 30,000 years in the future have different body proportions more in line with men, especially on Necromunda in the harsh conditions of the Underhive. I just don't see the women being the same size as the men of a given gang being an issue. The more clothes they are wearing, the less of an issue it becomes, so Delaques especially have basically no excuse, cos you should barely be able to tell anyway at a glance.


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 darkcloak wrote:
I actually seem to remember reading a PDF of the old book and pretty sure there were female Goliath's.


You could always buy some Escher's and another gang and kit bash them together. Pretty sure the only gangs that were gender based was Escher and maybe Goliath, but I'm sure Ive seen a picture of a female Goliath.


I think female Goliaths exist (as gangers, obviously they exist within the House as a whole), but they are likely rarer than in any other house due to the emphasis on strength. I would be ok with Goliaths remaining all-male, but I think the best for them is a FW set with one to three sculpts of the odd female Goliath. I really don't think they would be common, and having more than that would be a bit odd for them and their background.

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 malfred wrote:
I don’t mind if they sell a whole new kit

This would be my preferred option for Orlocks. I think the remaining Houses would be best served by a mixed box, but getting two boxes for each would be glorious and provide most choice.

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I can't imagine they'll do separate boxes of female members for each gang. And they probably won't mix in female for the reasons Thargrim mentioned: It would severely reduce the number of options they'd be able to include, and they want to pack as many options as possible onto a sprue. But they'll probably start doing some alternate resin figures for each gang and may throw in some females.
   
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 malfred wrote:
I'm stoked about necromunda, but a bit put
off by all the dudes. Which gangs would likely
see a female release? Someone explained to
me the Escher fluff and why there wouldn't be
gang fighter males in Escher, but isn't there space
in the fluff and in gw sales for female Delaques
and such? I'd gladly buy two sets of the same
gang for more gender variety.


They specifically state in Feb white dwarf that Orlocks have both make and female gangers.

.....the men and women of Orlock's gangs walk proud and tall thorugh the smoke-clogged hallways.


Forget the code and a ganger ends up gutted, facedown in a sump-flow. Honour it and their brothers and sisters will fight and die by their side.



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It's just not practical to make a mixed sprue when you've got enough room for 5 people and have to have all the heads and arms work with one another.

40k is a universe where (with a few very specific examples) it does not discriminate on gender or race lines. Being human is enough, as long as you're not mutated, so they don't care what you are (which is kinda how it should be in real life, but sadly we're obsessed with race and gender).

But we're dealing with the realities of miniature making here. FW could make some resin female Orlocks, and that'd be totally cool - I'd buy them as soon as they're available - but they wouldn't fit with the current practicalities of the Orlock kit, unless you want women with beefy arms.

Heresy eventually put out a few female not-Delaques. They fit perfectly.

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At the open day i asked the lead dev why no female orlocks in this box and they said they didn’t have time with this set as they needed it out faster than expected and the prep work both in concept and digital sculpting is doubled. He said it would have taken to long to make the Skeleton/dollies for both female n male. But he did show me concept art for female Goliath and female orlock models that may be made by the design team in resin at some point. He also said they’d all very much like and are plannning for the other plastic kits to be mixed sex.

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 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
At the open day i asked the lead dev why no female orlocks in this box and they said they didn’t have time with this set as they needed it out faster than expected and the prep work both in concept and digital sculpting is doubled. He said it would have taken to long to make the Skeleton/dollies for both female n male. But he did show me concept art for female Goliath and female orlock models that may be made by the design team in resin at some point. He also said they’d all very much like and are plannning for the other plastic kits to be mixed sex.


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Like others said I'm sure the 2000s era Specialist Games take on Goliaths had women, and maybe the other gangs (Orlock and VanSaar) as well?

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
At the open day i asked the lead dev why no female orlocks in this box and they said they didn’t have time with this set as they needed it out faster than expected and the prep work both in concept and digital sculpting is doubled. He said it would have taken to long to make the Skeleton/dollies for both female n male. But he did show me concept art for female Goliath and female orlock models that may be made by the design team in resin at some point. He also said they’d all very much like and are plannning for the other plastic kits to be mixed sex.



Good news all!

It's certainly within possiblity to build female gangers of your choice out of Eshers and 3rd party heads (and green stuff...). There's a shapeways store called Gang War with female Orlocks and Delaques as well. It might be worth an article at some point on where/how to do female gangers.

Hopefully Zognob's information bears out and we see some mixed gangs in the future. And mixed IG!

 
   
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All barring Escher.

See, with Goliath, the amount of gene tampering and hormone rigging that goes on, it's very likely there's little outward physical differences between their men and women. They'd all be muscle-bound beefcake. The only way to tell would be to get their trousers off.

   
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Well indeed!

And if Goliaths are Vat Borne - does gender really come into it, seeing as you've done away with our species main purpose for two genders? Would individuals need reproductive capacity beyond sampling their DNA for the next batch?

But overall, Escher are the sole Gang that is expressly only one gender, with background explanation for that (genetic issues, men all drooling imbeciles in their house)

   
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Could it be a cultural thing? It would seem that Goliaths are a stereotypical depiction of the muscle-for-brains super macho men with a bit of influence from Fist of the North star (compare the wasteland gangsters from that series to goliath), so it would make sense in that context there would be no women in their gangs, as they are deliberately kept out by such chauvinistic men, much like how the Escher looks down on men and keeps them out of their gang out of spite.

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There's no mention of House Goliath looking down on women. They respect muscle and strength. And with their genhancements, and what we can already do with steroids and hormone injections, I can't see their women being weedy little waifs at all.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's just not practical to make a mixed sprue when you've got enough room for 5 people and have to have all the heads and arms work with one another.

40k is a universe where (with a few very specific examples) it does not discriminate on gender or race lines. Being human is enough, as long as you're not mutated, so they don't care what you are (which is kinda how it should be in real life, but sadly we're obsessed with race and gender).

But we're dealing with the realities of miniature making here. FW could make some resin female Orlocks, and that'd be totally cool - I'd buy them as soon as they're available - but they wouldn't fit with the current practicalities of the Orlock kit, unless you want women with beefy arms.

Heresy eventually put out a few female not-Delaques. They fit perfectly.


I don't think beefy arms is an issue for Necro- these are muscle-bound gangers after all. It is hard to tell from the current pics available, but Orlocks don't look particularly more beefy than Eschers, and wear more clothes, making it harder to tell anyway. I think torso swaps and head swaps, with interchangeable arms and legs, is more than sufficient at the detail level we see in 28mm heroic. Bodysize is also a difference that could well be irrelevant by the 41st millennium anyway.

When it comes down to it, I want female gangers, not dainty models. They are gonna be pretty chunky by whatever standard they are measured against, I don't see any issue with them having identical arms.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There's no mention of House Goliath looking down on women. They respect muscle and strength. And with their genhancements, and what we can already do with steroids and hormone injections, I can't see their women being weedy little waifs at all.


True, its just from a thematic standpoint it would make sense they would be an all male faction to act as a counterpoint to Escher being an all female faction.
Perhaps Goliath women don't receive the steroid injections, out of some sexist sentiment? That is a possibility.

Orlocks I think have been confirmed to have women in their gangs. They seem to be the sort who don't care who you are, as long as you follow the code and pull your weight.
Can't see any reason why Cawdor, Van Saar and Delaque wouldn't have women. I mean, yes, Cawdor are religious fanatics, but this is the Imperial Creed we're talking about. The Imperial Creed is fairly egalitarian, as religions go. To me it looks like the God's Militia from Wasteland 2; as long as you pledge your faith and loyalty to the Redemption Cult, it doesn't matter.
Van Saar would probably want to maximize their fighting force, as it would seem they are few in number due to cancer, and Delaque would want as many ears and eyes out there as possible.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There's no mention of House Goliath looking down on women. They respect muscle and strength. And with their genhancements, and what we can already do with steroids and hormone injections, I can't see their women being weedy little waifs at all.


Or they are like Sparta (another slave based society)

Both free men and women are expected to be physically strong - the men to fight, the women for childbirth

The men tend favour joining the army - and have severe social prressure to do so form all parties - especially mothers, the women mainly run things.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There's no mention of House Goliath looking down on women. They respect muscle and strength. And with their genhancements, and what we can already do with steroids and hormone injections, I can't see their women being weedy little waifs at all.


Or they are like Sparta (another slave based society)

Both free men and women are expected to be physically strong - the men to fight, the women for childbirth

The men tend favour joining the army - and have severe social prressure to do so form all parties - especially mothers, the women mainly run things.


Oh yeah, that's another possibility. Goliath could work like that as well.
It could be that the Goliath men go out to fight and do hard labor, while the Goliath women manages the house hold and takes care of the children, and overall have a greater influence over everyday life.

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I can see female Goliath Gangers being considered relatively unusual.

But it's a society that I view as a meritocracy, based upon being able to knock the next person's teeth out. Manage that, you take their place.

With nothing specifically in the background (compare to Escher, where it's not a misandric issue, just a practical one), it's all speculation anyway

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


With nothing specifically in the background (compare to Escher, where it's not a misandric issue, just a practical one), it's all speculation anyway


Actually, I'm pretty sure it states that the Escher looks down on all men, not just their own, so its definitely a misandric issue that's influenced by a practical one.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I can see female Goliath Gangers being considered relatively unusual.

But it's a society that I view as a meritocracy, based upon being able to knock the next person's teeth out. Manage that, you take their place.

With nothing specifically in the background (compare to Escher, where it's not a misandric issue, just a practical one), it's all speculation anyway


yeah might be like the recent Bloodbowl game in WD .

Bob the ogre talks about an old game where the fans were rowdy enough that the cheerleaders (!) had to go and sort them out - he recalls that some of them made the team after that.

Currently GW have definatvely stated that there are female Orlock gangers- rest is likely bnut not definate.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


With nothing specifically in the background (compare to Escher, where it's not a misandric issue, just a practical one), it's all speculation anyway


Actually, I'm pretty sure it states that the Escher looks down on all men, not just their own, so its definitely a misandric issue that's influenced by a practical one.



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And if Goliaths are Vat Borne - does gender really come into it, seeing as you've done away with our species main purpose for two genders? Would individuals need reproductive capacity beyond sampling their DNA for the next batch?


If that were the case (I'm actually not sure, shame on me), Goliaths wouldn't vat-breed females, I think. Their whole purpose is heavy work and male bodies have a higher overall potential for strength, so you would only grow those that would use those expensive Escher-made hormone treatments to their fullest extent. It would be a waste of money, so to say, and Necromunda does indeed run on money, at least on the upper levels who the 6 houses work for.

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So the answer is "All but Escher. Maybe Goliaths."

Sweet. I might even pay for resin unless it's like only one model.

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