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2018/02/10 02:26:23
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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SCENARIO:
There is a piece of terrain that’s basically a piece of felt with nothing on it. Players agree it gives cover save, that’s it.
Turn five a charge is declared and the other player says its -2” to charge rule.
How would you handle this situation if you are the player who declared the charge?
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2018/02/10 03:10:42
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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"We never decided that it was a wood or crater, only that it was cover"
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2018/02/10 03:13:57
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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D6, 4+ it's woods, 1-3 it's a crater.
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2018/02/24 04:05:46
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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yeah, you can't wait until someone charges across it to suddenly say it's difficult terrain. Settle that junk before the game starts.
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2018/02/10 05:58:32
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Fixture of Dakka
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Why would it be charge negative? you only said it gave cover, it could just be a cloud that is hard to see, you never said if it shared rules from the terrain rules section of the brb.
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2018/02/10 06:03:32
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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More of a YMDC thread but yes, if you discussed the terrain beforehand and decided it was a wheat field/tall grass (which would give cover to anything in it), then he doesn't just get to add a -2 charge caveat at his convenience.
Shrubbery, forests, heavy rubble, trash piles, and swamp/marsh would give a -2 to charge penalty.
Tall grass, knee high obstructions, or any kind of food crop would give cover but no movement penalty.
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0022/03/15 00:57:48
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Sounds like edition lag, one guy forgetting only Woods give the -2" now, or just plain poor sportsmanship/cheating. If it ain't agreed, you can't spring it on someone mid-game.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2018/02/10 23:28:26
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Sounds like you should define your terrain beforehand. If you don't define it and it doesn't clearly correspond to exactly one listed terrain type either treat it as generic area terrain (cover for infantry, no movement inhibition) or ignore it entirely.
I don't like "4+ to resolve disagreements" in cases like this because it implies both sides have an equal chance of being right. Trying to impose additional terrain rules not specified beforehand on the battlefield isn't acceptable.
That said to Primark I would suggest going back and checking the wording of the discussion before the game. Did you define the piece of felt as "generic area terrain" or did you define it as "a crater"? Because a crater is a predefined type of terrain that exists in the rules and would give you -2" to charge, and if they told you it was a crater the whole situation falls under "ignorance of the rules is no excuse" and your opponent is reminding you of what you agreed on beforehand, not making things up.
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2018/02/11 01:25:39
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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There was no terrain on the felt.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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2018/02/11 01:31:13
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Did you agree to count it as a crater or a wood?
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2018/02/11 01:38:05
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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No we did not.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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2023/02/15 05:33:35
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Fresh-Faced New User
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-1 to charge range next time you are in a similar situation perhaps?
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2018/02/15 14:11:21
Subject: Undefined terrain and charge distance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Glasgow
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If you did not define terrain rules it has no rules.
Learn from this and always have the discussion at the atart of a game
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