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Made in fr
Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks





France

Hi there,
I just want to wish all the MOD a great thank you for your work ! You handle this forum really well, and it helps make it a great forum !
You are nor too lazy neither too harsh/severe.
A lot of people come here every day and talk about a lot of thing, and you succeed in keeping it open and ordered at the same time !
So, well done, guys !

   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

Hey thanks!

We wouldn't be bothered if it weren't for so many great posters who choose to discuss their hobby here. So thanks to you as well!

   
Made in gb
Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan





Bristol, England

Looks like you're losing your touch guys. What happened to the iron fisted mods of old?
Time to break out the banehammer and set an example or two before us civillians get too complacent.

Oli: Can I be an orc?
Everyone: No.
Oli: But it fits through the doors, Look! 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

TBH I think all of us have mellowed out. Years ago, there was a lot more vitriole. Maybe it's because, as a whole culture, we are more used to being on the internet?

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Made in us
Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle






I'm also pretty impressed sometimes. When I first joined I was a bit peeved that certain topics were taboo and that the rules of the forum can easily be skirted by making implications or indirect ad hominems that would be impossible to respond to without incurring a strike. However, as much as things get heated on areas where we tend to disagree, and certain subjects basically always lead to mudslinging and thread locks, I think the mods err on the side of letting people speak their mind as long as things are civil. Some of the discussions we've had here would be totally impossible elsewhere, and in even other environments would be totally one sided with dissent or debate being verboten.

 
   
Made in ca
Fireknife Shas'el






 Manchu wrote:
TBH I think all of us have mellowed out. Years ago, there was a lot more vitriole. Maybe it's because, as a whole culture, we are more used to being on the internet?


Or you established a culture over time on Dakka that allows peer pressure to keep things in line - i.e. people who have been here longer know not to rise to flame-war bait.

   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

@Luciferian - The staff certainly errs to the lighter touch.

@John Prins - Perhaps so, although perhaps developing such a culture is the result of posters mellowing.

   
Made in fi
Courageous Space Marine Captain






 Manchu wrote:
@Luciferian - The staff certainly errs to the lighter touch.

Except with certain topics...

I'm not gonna start new thread for this so I say this here.

The female Custodes thread was locked. It was pretty civil, and it was really just discussing the game lore, there were no noticeable detours to real politics or social topics. But then in comes some troll saying something like 'Bloody SJWs, I hope this gets locked.' Instead of starting to argue with that person and letting them to derail the topic, I report said derailing attempt. An lo and behold, within minutes a mod swoops in and does the troll's bidding, promptly locking the thread! This is completely inexcusable. It cannot be the case that by being rude to others such people will get their wish granted. Why does this forum let people who wish to shut down certain topics to do so with impunity?

   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

You are mischaracterizing the situation. The question was, can a polite and constructive discussion follow a blanket accusation of bigotry? As a matter of reason and, more importantly, as a matter of demonstration by posters representing all ideological positions participating in that thread, the answer was clearly No. The trouble with the particular topic is inherent to the topic itself. I didn't lock it because people who don't agree with you wanted me to lock it. I locked it because the inevitable outcome is both sides, so utterly convinced they are morally righteous, will attack each other (including without any self-awareness of being rude). This is also why we have a US Politics ban.

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Made in us
Daemonic Dreadnought





Eye of Terror

This whole thread is peak Munchausen syndrome. Complimenting a mod is like telling the police they're great because they have not yet beat you. The day will come when some arbitrary line is drawn that brings them swarming like wasps.

The only thing the mods have done right is keep US Politics off the forum. Looking forward to the day when that's lifted so the world can know our pain. But it's too soon.

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Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





Chicago, Illinois

Well to be honest it might be because people have calmed down on the internet, people here have grown older and wiser and see the internet less as anonyomous and more of a way to connect and discuss with people. Like the Forums of Athens. I think it is just mellowed out just by constant use as @Manchu suggests.

From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. 
   
Made in us
Posts with Authority





 techsoldaten wrote:
The only thing the mods have done right is keep US Politics off the forum. Looking forward to the day when that's lifted so the world can know our pain. But it's too soon.


If I may be honest, I think it's a little sad they had to resort to that. I guess the wrong people kept being right.


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 Crimson wrote:
Except with certain topics...


Yeah, people kinda got sick of seeing it repeated, just so a handful of people could say, "If you disagree with me you're sexist" in some form or another.

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Mob Rule is not a rule. 
   
Made in fi
Courageous Space Marine Captain






 Manchu wrote:
You are mischaracterizing the situation. The question was, can a polite and constructive discussion follow a blanket accusation of bigotry? As a matter of reason and, more importantly, as a matter of demonstration by posters representing all ideological positions participating in that thread, the answer was clearly No. The trouble with the particular topic is inherent to the topic itself. I didn't lock it because people who don't agree with you wanted me to lock it. I locked it because the inevitable outcome is both sides, so utterly convinced they are morally righteous, will attack each other (including without any self-awareness of being rude). This is also why we have a US Politics ban.


I was not talking about the earlier female Marine thread, I was talking about this recent female Custodes thread:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751011.page

You didn't lock it, Alpharius did, and there certainly was no blanket accusations of bigotry there. It was about the game lore, and pretty relevant as Custodes are a new army and lot of people are probably musing about their lore.

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Posts with Authority





 Crimson wrote:
You didn't lock it, Alpharius did, and there certainly was no blanket accusations of bigotry there. It was about the game lore, and pretty relevant as Custodes are a new army and lot of people are probably musing about their lore.


Oh, THAT one.

Yeah, that one was pretty civil and I don't think it was bad at all.

Mob Rule is not a rule. 
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






 Manchu wrote:
@Luciferian - The staff certainly errs to the lighter touch.


Now that's certainly an amusing claim. I can't even count the number of times I've seen trigger-happy mods locking threads or threatening people over minor issues (most of them ones I wasn't involved in personally) that didn't deserve any attention. If that's what counts as "erring to a lighter touch" I'd hate to see you guys get in a banning mood...

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in us
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)




The Great State of Texas

I am liking the continued ban on US politics. Thats helped out a certain region of darkness and depravity. : )


-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
Made in au
[MOD]
Making Stuff






Under the couch

 Peregrine wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
@Luciferian - The staff certainly errs to the lighter touch.


Now that's certainly an amusing claim. I can't even count the number of times I've seen trigger-happy mods locking threads or threatening people over minor issues (most of them ones I wasn't involved in personally) that didn't deserve any attention. If that's what counts as "erring to a lighter touch" I'd hate to see you guys get in a banning mood...

I think it's been fairly well established in past discussions that you have a very different opinion on what constitutes acceptable discussion to that of Dakka's administration.

Which is fine... Different people draw the line in different places. But if you think Dakka has heavy moderation, I can only speculate that you haven't frequented very many forums.

 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

 Crimson wrote:
You didn't lock it, Alpharius did
Looks like he left an explanation. I'll let him answer you further, if he wants.
 Peregrine wrote:
I'd hate to see you guys get in a banning mood...
Happens every once in a while. At that point, they paint our power armor black and there's a special chaplain who helps us remember our names.
 Frazzled wrote:
Thats helped out a certain region of darkness and depravity.
Yeah, I can't see the ban being lifted anytime soon.

   
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 Frazzled wrote:
I am liking the continued ban on US politics. Thats helped out a certain region of darkness and depravity. : )


I'm not certain how bad it is. Any time a current event pops up, everyone gets toxic if it happens in the USA. Apparently being in the NRA make you complicit in child murder.

Actually, I see exactly why that toxic cesspit was barred.

Mob Rule is not a rule. 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

No need to evoke it here though.

   
Made in us
Last Remaining Whole C'Tan






Pleasant Valley, Iowa

 Peregrine wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
@Luciferian - The staff certainly errs to the lighter touch.


Now that's certainly an amusing claim.


I dunno, man. The last thread I saw innovatively moderated saw a poster generalizing about one side of the argument as a cult of idiots, a cancer, and compared to ISIS freely. I can vouch for the "light touch" I saw that day.

Much like with anything, you have the good and the bad.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.

 Flinty wrote:
The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

Mods need to look with both eyes. It's pretty common for worked up posters to only see others' faults.

   
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Posts with Authority





 Ouze wrote:
I dunno, man. The last thread I saw innovatively moderated saw a poster generalizing about one side of the argument as a cult of idiots, a cancer, and compared to ISIS freely.


It would be terrible if someone could prove that individual wrong someday.

Mob Rule is not a rule. 
   
Made in us
Last Remaining Whole C'Tan






Pleasant Valley, Iowa

We don't all have an apparent free pass to break rule one.

In that thread, I said I was sadder and wiser, and you said "I wasn't", presumably because that was the edgelordiest thing you could think of. It's certainly left me wealthier since that was when I decided after nearly a decade I would never pay for DCM again.

So in a way I should be thanking you.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.

 Flinty wrote:
The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

Again, we're not going to go through the whole thing again here.

I locked that particular thread because of this very mode of unproductive, discourteous "tit-for-tat" discussion. It's a slow-burn Rule One nightmare with lots of passive aggression.

And it's off topic in this thread. So stow it, both of ya.

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Posts with Authority





 Manchu wrote:
Again, we're not going to go through the whole thing again here.


A couple of posters have attempted to drag those conflicts into other discussions, to the point of harassment. I think it's been made obvious.

I have to admit, I like you, Manchu- I do. And I know it's not all on you.

But 'Rule One' is subjective and rarely is it enforced unless the right people are offended.

Mob Rule is not a rule. 
   
Made in au
[MOD]
Making Stuff






Under the couch

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

But 'Rule One' is subjective... .

Which is exactly why people tend to disagree on how well it is applied.

And also why every single moderator action is logged and where necessary vetted by the rest of the mod team.

We may not get it right every time, certainly. But opinions on how often we get it wrong are always going to be skewed by personal perception of the situation.

 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

Well as anyone can see from this very thread, everyone thinks the "other side" gets a pass.

It's worth noting that most posters just talk about their hobby without ever getting angry or taking (serious) jibes at others.

   
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Posts with Authority





 insaniak wrote:
We may not get it right every time, certainly. But opinions on how often we get it wrong are always going to be skewed by personal perception of the situation.


And that's fair, you're human.

I suppose it would be fair to assume the following: Sometimes one of you guys sees things differently. One guy's 'rude' might be someone else's 'firm reply'. Some people can take personal offense to things that aren't personal. Sometimes you just don't catch things.

I'll straight-up say I'm a jerk. I won't ever say I'm the only one, and I won't say I do so unprovoked, but I'm a jerk. And generally speaking, I've been trying to give you mods a chance to deal with some of the issues and trying to do a little less sniping back.

Mob Rule is not a rule. 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

We certainly appreciate anyone trying to be less of a jerk.

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