JadeDoo wrote:I am wondering in regards to the lore if it has been developed yet. What is the relationship between Primaris and normal space marines? Not so much whether they are accepted but in terms of like respect. Afterall, given that Primaris are so much larger and stronger would they look down on a space marine? Maybe even a higher rank Space Marine. It's also odd to think how it'd look if a chapter master conversed with a Primaris marine.
I've not seen any problems yet. Generally, regular Space Marines seem to respect the Primaris Marines. Many of the Primaris Marines have the purified genetic material of their primarchs, and indeed the genetic memory, so some regular marines revere them. I'm not sure if some of the Primaris actually have memories from 10,000 years ago, as I'm not sure when they were taken to be modified.
I'm not eliminating the possibility of strife and trouble, but the regular marines seem quite accepting of the reinforcements, in general.
SirStudent wrote:
Might as well just ask here, but what if GW started releasing "Primaris" models for all factions (please don't laugh) that are somewhat popular. We could have Primaris Orks which are just "greener". We could have Primaris Eldar which are just "more pointy", but regardless of whatever gakky explanation they come up with, do you think there would be a valid reason for revising the model lines like this? I don't think anyone would have had an issue with Primaris marines if they just came out and said "all lore is still true, but we're just revising the classic SM design". I don't think anybody would have raged so hard that way. Maybe I'm just rambling on a dead thread, but I would like to see this approach to other factions too, HOWEVER ONLY FOR AESTHETIC REVISION, NOT ADDITION TO CURRENT LORE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MURDER ME DAKKADAKKA, I KNOW OKAY?
I agree with this sentiment. It's too late now (baring some kind of cull or disease that affects one or the other). They could've just revised the model line to be true scale without coming up with fluff. I believe more people would have expected that.
There's quite a few discussions here on if Space Marines were a stop-gap measure, just like the Thunder Warriors. The Emperor could have deemed them merely tools and could have eliminated them after a better alternative was created, or they were no longer necessary.
I would have liked the rules and points costs for Space Marines to change to make them feel more of an elite force (more than even now) and their physical size increase, rather than introducing Primaris Marines. Cynics also see the copyright or trademark benefits of create "Primaris Marines" rather than "Space Marine" which is a more general term. Adeptus Astartes seems like it should suffice though. The old model lines could have been phased out from sale and eventually all replaced.
Another perspective is that the Space Marines were not, in fact, as elite as they were made out to be. I don't think that works very well in terms or lore or gaming, as having a small elite force, where one marine can stand up against at least 10 regular humans at once (guardsmen or cultists), gives a variation in armies. The rules, points cost, etc should reflect this.
On a side note... is it possible to "upgrade" regular marines to Primaris through extra gene therapy and implants?
On another side note... because they already have the lore, and it would be really hard to get rid of it now, could they have battles in eras? So we have 30k for the Horus Heresy. Could we have
40k and 41k?