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2018/02/13 17:50:32
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game - Also several unfulfilled campaigns by creator
A BRAND NEW Superhero Board Game is coming to your table! Alphas is a game of tactical, objective based Skirmishes and fully illustrated Graphic Novels to play through a progressive story with. Created and developed by the same team who made Tabula Rasa, Alphas will immerse you in a world where having powers and abilities are the norm.
United States: $11 - 22 (Continental), $30 (Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico)
Canada: $14 - $30 for most areas.
Europe: $22 - $35 to most countries.Australia: $20 - $40.
New Zealand: $30 - $35.Latin and South America: $60 - $70.
Asia: $15 - $20 (China), $20 - $30 for most other countries (We have no current estimates for Malaysia or Singapore)
WE WILL NOT SHIP TO THE FOLLOWING COUNTRIES: Afghanistan, Brazil, Ukraine, Russia or Greece based on past experiences and/or rates/pricing and custom laws.
(note they've a previous KS project yet to deliver but it's not due to do so until the summer, most recent updates are backer only, but nobodys screaming at them in the comments so it seems to be going reasonably well)
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2018/02/13 18:20:25
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
First 24 Hours down and we are ready to show off some coolness!
Great first day everyone! I can see we are appealing to retailers more than we thought as well! Thank you all for a great first day! So, in case you didn't see, we added a few things to the front page!
First the guys added a skirmish video:
It's rough but it won't be the ONLY video as the campaign goes on so worry not fellow Alphas!
We added to the campaign page also, a closer look at the miniatures of the game,
And in keeping with that, we want to get to some FUN stuff now!
*These are 3d renders, the prototype components can be seen in reviews and in our play through videos!
So how do you get these sweet scenery pieces? Just add the cost of them ($30 USD) to your pledge, and in the pledge manager you will be able to let us know which and how many add-ons you had!
Game wise, these add nothing that the tokens themselves don't add, BUT what they do add to is the immersion and aesthetics of the game and really any other game you could use them in! To be clear we have added these to the main campaign page, and also the STRETCH GOAL Ladder!!!
So what about social stretch goals! We will be revealing some of those in the next update! But until then, make sure to join the Facebook Fanpage to discuss all things Alphas, or become a fan on the BGG Page for Alphas
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2018/02/22 11:53:51
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently operates Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
Beware. Do your research and be informed. Making a new KS account and cloaking your identity is an instant red flag to me for people who have outstanding and/or failed KS.
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2018/02/22 13:17:37
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
nkelsch wrote: Beware guys. This project and company seems owned by Chris Peach who has a dubious fulfillment history.
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently operates Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
He made a new account to hide the old KS account.
The Hunters KS has failed and will not fulfill. Backers will get a free second edition *IF* a second kS is successful supposedly is what I have heard. Private updates make it hard for people to know what is going on, which means hard to tell if the new account, new project, new company is related to the old.
Beware. Do your research and be informed. Making a new KS account and cloaking your identity is an instant red flag to me for people who have outstanding and/or failed KS.
Wow.... so much accurate. I live in MN, I have known the KLTG people. Maybe don't listen to people who don't know what they are talking about? I have backed all of the games chris launched when he was doing this solo and I have backed both Kid Loves Tiger Games projects now. When Chris self published I have received 2/3 games. The first, which every dumb dumb in the Chibi group on FB that tons of people seem to be leaving anyways are hurt about was Hunters, and given they have delivered legends and Bm I believe Chris when he says the manufacturer was not forthcoming with the truth and they got screwed. I trust him because I know Chirs put almost 10k of his own money and 10k an investor put into hunters into the game and was still working to satisfy people. If anything I would say given how honest and open he has been about the mistakes of the first project and the way he handled the next two, he deserves nothing but a high five. Limited funds from backers, his own money and he still delivered the games he got.
Now that it's an actual business and there is a group of about 8 people I guess (most were at con of the north running demos of Tabula rasa or Alphas or some game they are working on with Mike Elliot), I definitely want to support them MORE. Erica, Elle and Ron are fantastic and I think Chris needed Ben to develop games. TR and Alphas look frickin 100x better than anything he self published. Now that he is just the designer and creator of the group? heck yeah! Also aren't private update exactl what $1 pledges are for?... you back a game to follow along. You don't back you don't get to follow along. Seems pretty standard to me having been on KS since Zombicide Season 1. And Burky, Patrick lieder and Lance all seem to trust and like the group so..... Dubious seems factually incorrect. Honest and not perfect? I agree. But since that first game he has done nothing but deliver, be honest and try to make it right... yet you insult him. No wonder most creators like Chase Layman just lie about stuff. No rewards for honesty and redemption in learning from mistakes.
2018/02/27 15:50:04
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
If all of our Backers continue to spread the word and we convert some of these 1$ Backers to full pledges we will be there in no time
So while I know it's not a huge update, we wanted to remind everyone of the $30 Add-On. We have had some questions about multiples, and yes, you can add and use multiple sets of scenery in a game of Alphas should you desire it.
BUT, we had one big thing to show you for those who have been asking;
A preview of the one and only Kid Tiger in the fur!!!
Keep fighting to save and fund Titan City and we will continue doing our part! If you hadn't seen, Chris is doing daily Alpha Spotlights on Board Game Geek, where tonight he did Legend, the arcane archer himself!
2018/02/27 21:29:07
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
nkelsch wrote: Beware guys. This project and company seems owned by Chris Peach who has a dubious fulfillment history.
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently operates Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
He made a new account to hide the old KS account.
The Hunters KS has failed and will not fulfill. Backers will get a free second edition *IF* a second kS is successful supposedly is what I have heard. Private updates make it hard for people to know what is going on, which means hard to tell if the new account, new project, new company is related to the old.
Beware. Do your research and be informed. Making a new KS account and cloaking your identity is an instant red flag to me for people who have outstanding and/or failed KS.
Wow.... so much accurate. I live in MN, I have known the KLTG people. Maybe don't listen to people who don't know what they are talking about? I have backed all of the games chris launched when he was doing this solo and I have backed both Kid Loves Tiger Games projects now. When Chris self published I have received 2/3 games. The first, which every dumb dumb in the Chibi group on FB that tons of people seem to be leaving anyways are hurt about was Hunters, and given they have delivered legends and Bm I believe Chris when he says the manufacturer was not forthcoming with the truth and they got screwed. I trust him because I know Chirs put almost 10k of his own money and 10k an investor put into hunters into the game and was still working to satisfy people. If anything I would say given how honest and open he has been about the mistakes of the first project and the way he handled the next two, he deserves nothing but a high five. Limited funds from backers, his own money and he still delivered the games he got.
Now that it's an actual business and there is a group of about 8 people I guess (most were at con of the north running demos of Tabula rasa or Alphas or some game they are working on with Mike Elliot), I definitely want to support them MORE. Erica, Elle and Ron are fantastic and I think Chris needed Ben to develop games. TR and Alphas look frickin 100x better than anything he self published. Now that he is just the designer and creator of the group? heck yeah! Also aren't private update exactl what $1 pledges are for?... you back a game to follow along. You don't back you don't get to follow along. Seems pretty standard to me having been on KS since Zombicide Season 1. And Burky, Patrick lieder and Lance all seem to trust and like the group so..... Dubious seems factually incorrect. Honest and not perfect? I agree. But since that first game he has done nothing but deliver, be honest and try to make it right... yet you insult him. No wonder most creators like Chase Layman just lie about stuff. No rewards for honesty and redemption in learning from mistakes.
Bottom line: Hunters did not finish fullfilling, and never will
Having an established account with a specific person's name, and then launching an entire new KS account to launch a new KS where that person's name is scrubbed from all public discussion on that new KS does not inspire confidence or represent transparency.
An explanation and acknowledgement of "hunters did not finish, but here is why you should not be concerned and still back" in the disclosures and risks area is how one deals with a checkered history, not ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist.
People should be aware of what is happening with this person who appears to be cloaking his identity and has KS debts to backers which are unfullfilled with this KS and make judgement for themselves. You can't actually refute any information apparently because nothing you have said changes that HUNTERS, a miniature game in size and scope failed to fullfill in its entirety and has no capacity to as Chris himself said he doesn't have the money to do it and doesn't trust the factory.
So full transparency, I have no idea what's going on.
And we should give him more money?
Our Manufacturer VP was also kind enough to offer to make (at cost which rounds out to about 4200 bucks with shipping of my own planning not theirs), 500 copies, which would be enough to support backers and some stores, but of course, we don't have 4200 dollars lying around for just such instances. And even if we did... do I trust these people with another 4000+ for something I might never see it seems? I honestly don't know what the right call is there if I had it.
How do they not have business insurance? How is the factory 'off the hook' for a lost shipment? None of these things inspire confidence and simply don't make actual sense because real world companies don't operate this way. And people should give him more money?
Dubious company is Dubious, Sockpuppet account is Sockpuppet.
2018/02/27 21:40:43
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
I can't comment of the rights and wrongs of the Hunters project,
but if the factory you've contracted in a foreign country (especially a place like china) decides to scam you (or perhaps more likely the truck the used to deliver the stuff to your shipper gets lost or stolen) you're kind of stuck
legal action in a foreign country isn't cheap, and if the money's not there (no win no fee is a very western idea), it's not there, and wining a he said, she said (factory says I delivered to shipper, shipper says I got nothing) case would be tricky anyway
the planned hunters reboot with previous backers getting a the game for a minimal $1 pledge may well be the only way to get it done
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2018/02/27 21:45:36
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
What I thought was strange about the issue was that he could have organised a reprint of the missing first edition if he could find some relatively minimal alternate financing but instead decided to scrap all the art, card designs and miniatures that he had commissioned and apparently already used for the missing first print run meaning that the chances of getting the game to the backers becomes much less likely as he now requires a whole lot more money to pay for new artists and sculptors to redesign it all from the ground up.
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2018/02/27 21:51:47
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
nkelsch wrote: Beware guys. This project and company seems owned by Chris Peach who has a dubious fulfillment history.
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently operates Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
He made a new account to hide the old KS account.
The Hunters KS has failed and will not fulfill. Backers will get a free second edition *IF* a second kS is successful supposedly is what I have heard. Private updates make it hard for people to know what is going on, which means hard to tell if the new account, new project, new company is related to the old.
Beware. Do your research and be informed. Making a new KS account and cloaking your identity is an instant red flag to me for people who have outstanding and/or failed KS.
Wow.... so much accurate. I live in MN, I have known the KLTG people. Maybe don't listen to people who don't know what they are talking about? I have backed all of the games chris launched when he was doing this solo and I have backed both Kid Loves Tiger Games projects now. When Chris self published I have received 2/3 games. The first, which every dumb dumb in the Chibi group on FB that tons of people seem to be leaving anyways are hurt about was Hunters, and given they have delivered legends and Bm I believe Chris when he says the manufacturer was not forthcoming with the truth and they got screwed. I trust him because I know Chirs put almost 10k of his own money and 10k an investor put into hunters into the game and was still working to satisfy people. If anything I would say given how honest and open he has been about the mistakes of the first project and the way he handled the next two, he deserves nothing but a high five. Limited funds from backers, his own money and he still delivered the games he got.
Now that it's an actual business and there is a group of about 8 people I guess (most were at con of the north running demos of Tabula rasa or Alphas or some game they are working on with Mike Elliot), I definitely want to support them MORE. Erica, Elle and Ron are fantastic and I think Chris needed Ben to develop games. TR and Alphas look frickin 100x better than anything he self published. Now that he is just the designer and creator of the group? heck yeah! Also aren't private update exactl what $1 pledges are for?... you back a game to follow along. You don't back you don't get to follow along. Seems pretty standard to me having been on KS since Zombicide Season 1. And Burky, Patrick lieder and Lance all seem to trust and like the group so..... Dubious seems factually incorrect. Honest and not perfect? I agree. But since that first game he has done nothing but deliver, be honest and try to make it right... yet you insult him. No wonder most creators like Chase Layman just lie about stuff. No rewards for honesty and redemption in learning from mistakes.
Bottom line: Hunters did not finish fullfilling, and never will
Having an established account with a specific person's name, and then launching an entire new KS account to launch a new KS where that person's name is scrubbed from all public discussion on that new KS does not inspire confidence or represent transparency.
An explanation and acknowledgement of "hunters did not finish, but here is why you should not be concerned and still back" in the disclosures and risks area is how one deals with a checkered history, not ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist.
People should be aware of what is happening with this person who appears to be cloaking his identity and has KS debts to backers which are unfullfilled with this KS and make judgement for themselves. You can't actually refute any information apparently because nothing you have said changes that HUNTERS, a miniature game in size and scope failed to fullfill in its entirety and has no capacity to as Chris himself said he doesn't have the money to do it and doesn't trust the factory.
So full transparency, I have no idea what's going on.
And we should give him more money?
Our Manufacturer VP was also kind enough to offer to make (at cost which rounds out to about 4200 bucks with shipping of my own planning not theirs), 500 copies, which would be enough to support backers and some stores, but of course, we don't have 4200 dollars lying around for just such instances. And even if we did... do I trust these people with another 4000+ for something I might never see it seems? I honestly don't know what the right call is there if I had it.
How do they not have business insurance? How is the factory 'off the hook' for a lost shipment? None of these things inspire confidence and simply don't make actual sense because real world companies don't operate this way. And people should give him more money?
Dubious company is Dubious, Sockpuppet account is Sockpuppet.
I don't see how what you are saying has any bearing, but I will try to dumb this down for you. A company that is NOW an LLC and ran by 3 people, of which Chris now only DESIGNS for would of course not publiAlso what first time creator cly state anything you just said. But it's cool to assume you know how to run a business when it's clear you do not given your next set of comments. When someone SELF PUBLISHES something, they do that as an individual no? And when there is an LLC that is an entity, that entity is publishing and is a business no? TO my understanding here in MN Sole Proprietorship's do not operate in this make believe way you have described, LLCs do, which is not to my knowledge how Chris was doing anything 4 years ago. It was him and him alone. Why would an LLC, ran by a GROUP of people talk about stuff their designer did on his own? That doesn't seem smart. But again, I run my own business so what would I know. I ALWAYS disclose what my previous laborers did before joining me *rolls eyes* oh wait... I don't as it has no bearing on what I am doing now. That backwards non-logic is like saying, hey Michael Jordan is the BEST player in the game, but before you pick him for your team, you should know he sucks as a basketball team owner.... it has nothing to do with what you are in business with him for so.... what? But ignorance is bliss they so yay on that!
But HEY you managed to prove my point for me. The factory was at fault since his track record self publishing SINCE then (which again has nothing to do with the current topic but alright) has delivered to people and they seem pretty happy. Which again include 4 people I listed IN the industry who know how to run company's, not YOU an armchair critic who thinks he knows a thing or two.
Also, what first time creator on KS has business insurance, I'm sorry man but your ignorance is showing assuming someone who barely has the money to fund the project has the money to insure it? But hey, you know everything about business right Give me a break. No one has manufacturers insurance. I seem to remember Eagle Griffon losing a ton of stock and as they said "no one in this industry carries insurance for something like that", but hey, they have only been around for years and you again, know everything right? But I agree, people should research things, unfortunately you have not adequately researched anything. You have made broad assumptions based off of... your own prejudice for a project that again, he was forthcoming about.
Also yeah you are such a two faced person. I saw nothing but support for you in the Hunters page during the stuff to then bad mouth a designer (again, not a publisher) about it is just... crass at best. You need to get your life right man. But hey, I own 2 of the games Chris has designed, as well as the Krossmaster content he helped develop, and soon enough I will have more. He's a cool dude who made a mistake 4 years or so ago and since then has done nothing but deliver and make good games. Check your life, cause clearly based on your inadequacies here, you ain't doin it right.
2018/02/27 21:56:54
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
if it's not just him thinking he can now do better I'll speculate that maybe some of the art/sculpts weren't fully paid for and those bills were meant to be cleared via selling the retail excess from the KS
no retail sales as the game never reached the US (if it was ever made) might well mean he no longer has the right to use the art/sculpts so easier to re-do via people who he's working with now than going back to those he had relationships with that may be been burned (even if it was not deliberate)
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2018/02/27 21:57:12
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
Aeneades wrote: What I thought was strange about the issue was that he could have organised a reprint of the missing first edition if he could find some relatively minimal alternate financing but instead decided to scrap all the art, card designs and miniatures that he had commissioned and apparently already used for the missing first print run meaning that the chances of getting the game to the backers becomes much less likely as he now requires a whole lot more money to pay for new artists and sculptors to redesign it all from the ground up.
The artist was originally going to be Chris's business partner but he got a job at the Hensen company and decided he didn't want to keep doing it. As Chris had spent all his money on the 1st edition the options were find a way to buy it all now or let it go and find someone new. He also had an investor through the Hunters 1 Campaign that said cut the artist loose. Wanting models to match and such, I get it. Sucks because I wanted them tower minis something fierce :/
Aeneades wrote: What I thought was strange about the issue was that he could have organised a reprint of the missing first edition if he could find some relatively minimal alternate financing but instead decided to scrap all the art, card designs and miniatures that he had commissioned and apparently already used for the missing first print run meaning that the chances of getting the game to the backers becomes much less likely as he now requires a whole lot more money to pay for new artists and sculptors to redesign it all from the ground up.
The artist was originally going to be Chris's business partner but he got a job at the Hensen company and decided he didn't want to keep doing it. As Chris had spent all his money on the 1st edition the options were find a way to buy it all now or let it go and find someone new. He also had an investor through the Hunters 1 Campaign that said cut the artist loose. Wanting models to match and such, I get it. Sucks because I wanted them tower minis something fierce :/
That makes sense since Dallas mentioned he gets a % of the sales monthly, if there were no monthly sales from the first game that might make using the models from it problematic. To my understanding one of the modelers from Fantasy Flight has jumped in with him and Dallas.
but if the factory you've contracted in a foreign country (especially a place like china) decides to scam you (or perhaps more likely the truck the used to deliver the stuff to your shipper gets lost or stolen) you're kind of stuck
legal action in a foreign country isn't cheap, and if the money's not there (no win no fee is a very western idea), it's not there, and wining a he said, she said (factory says I delivered to shipper, shipper says I got nothing) case would be tricky anyway
the planned hunters reboot with previous backers getting a the game for a minimal $1 pledge may well be the only way to get it done
Agreed. I ship parts back and forth through the year and have this problem maybe 4 or 5 times a year. Cost of doing business in China. Sometimes I can write it off and get insurance to cover it, sometimes I cannot. I am fine waiting for my pledge. It's Kickstarter. I know he's good for it as I've gotten the other games he made back in the day and Legends is the go to game for my family now.
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2018/02/27 22:59:18
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
but if the factory you've contracted in a foreign country (especially a place like china) decides to scam you (or perhaps more likely the truck the used to deliver the stuff to your shipper gets lost or stolen) you're kind of stuck
legal action in a foreign country isn't cheap, and if the money's not there (no win no fee is a very western idea), it's not there, and wining a he said, she said (factory says I delivered to shipper, shipper says I got nothing) case would be tricky anyway
the planned hunters reboot with previous backers getting a the game for a minimal $1 pledge may well be the only way to get it done
It may be the only way to 'get things done' but what you don't do is make a 'company of one' into a 'company of 3' and cloak your identity and then ask for more money. You work like hell to right the KS you are currently in default for before turning your attentions elsewhere.
Coming back to the community, cloaking these issues and asking for more then attacking anyone who questions the valid issues isn't production... almost dubious...
du·bi·ous
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1.
hesitating or doubting.
"Alex looked dubious, but complied"
synonyms: doubtful, uncertain, unsure, hesitant; More
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not to be relied upon; suspect.
"extremely dubious assumptions"
synonyms: suspicious, suspect, untrustworthy, unreliable, questionable; More
Seems like the correct word for the situation.
My Models: Ork Army: Waaagh 'Az-ard - Chibi Dungeon RPG Models! - My Workblog! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
RULE OF COOL: When converting models, there is only one rule: "The better your model looks, the less people will complain about it."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA."
2018/02/27 23:13:13
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
I don't see how what you are saying has any bearing, but I will try to dumb this down for you. A company that is NOW an LLC and ran by 3 people, of which Chris now only DESIGNS for would of course not publiAlso what first time creator cly state anything you just said. But it's cool to assume you know how to run a business when it's clear you do not given your next set of comments. When someone SELF PUBLISHES something, they do that as an individual no? And when there is an LLC that is an entity, that entity is publishing and is a business no? TO my understanding here in MN Sole Proprietorship's do not operate in this make believe way you have described, LLCs do, which is not to my knowledge how Chris was doing anything 4 years ago. It was him and him alone. Why would an LLC, ran by a GROUP of people talk about stuff their designer did on his own? That doesn't seem smart. But again, I run my own business so what would I know. I ALWAYS disclose what my previous laborers did before joining me *rolls eyes* oh wait... I don't as it has no bearing on what I am doing now. That backwards non-logic is like saying, hey Michael Jordan is the BEST player in the game, but before you pick him for your team, you should know he sucks as a basketball team owner.... it has nothing to do with what you are in business with him for so.... what? But ignorance is bliss they so yay on that!
Being a business of 1, or a buisness of 3 doesn't give you the right to default on a KS or somehow be small enough not to plan for and be responsible for risks. Also, being a buisness of 3 doesn't absolve the buisness of 1 for his prior obligations and it looks bad when a restructure cloaks identities. Dubious almost.
But HEY you managed to prove my point for me. The factory was at fault since his track record self publishing SINCE then (which again has nothing to do with the current topic but alright) has delivered to people and they seem pretty happy. Which again include 4 people I listed IN the industry who know how to run company's, not YOU an armchair critic who thinks he knows a thing or two.
You can blame the factory all you want, but a sub contractor is still the responsibility of the prime. KS doesn't give you a pass if an uninsured factory screws you (if that actually happened). I would think if the shipping company lost it, the factory has a claim with it, even in china. I have spoken with other people who have dealt with china factories for boardgames, and this all sounds 'odd' to them as there isn't a single shipment of any size like that which isn't tracked and insured and if it is lost, the factory would instantly be reimbursed for a new print run. A delay yes, not a 'hey we need 4500$ more. Doesn't line up with regular businesses nor others who deal in the same arenas. Dubious.
Also, what first time creator on KS has business insurance, I'm sorry man but your ignorance is showing assuming someone who barely has the money to fund the project has the money to insure it? But hey, you know everything about business right Give me a break. No one has manufacturers insurance. I seem to remember Eagle Griffon losing a ton of stock and as they said "no one in this industry carries insurance for something like that", but hey, they have only been around for years and you again, know everything right? But I agree, people should research things, unfortunately you have not adequately researched anything. You have made broad assumptions based off of... your own prejudice for a project that again, he was forthcoming about.
Insurance is cheap as incidents happen statistically insignificant. Also, he wouldn't need to insure it, simply pay for insured shipping from the factory. If he didn't have enough money, he is a poor businessman, his margins were invalid and he put his backers at risk and should not be trusted in future transactions. Dubious
Also yeah you are such a two faced person. I saw nothing but support for you in the Hunters page during the stuff to then bad mouth a designer (again, not a publisher) about it is just... crass at best. You need to get your life right man. But hey, I own 2 of the games Chris has designed, as well as the Krossmaster content he helped develop, and soon enough I will have more. He's a cool dude who made a mistake 4 years or so ago and since then has done nothing but deliver and make good games. Check your life, cause clearly based on your inadequacies here, you ain't doin it right.
So someone who was supportive when a game designer brought it to a community I am active in, then when excuses happened, it failed and people were ass out, calling out said person for dubious business behavior? Damn straight. People and companies don't get blind, endless support, especially when they fail and want more money without addressing their mistakes.
Being 'nice' doesn't make someone good at business or someone trustworthy with money. In fact, there are lots of failed KS made on the backs of nice guys with good intentions. The difference is they accept their failure and work to rectify their mistakes. They know they are not deserving of more money or trust... They don't make a new company, a new KS and beg for money on a new project while pretending the previous one never existed.
And for your personal attacks... reported. Telling people in the wargame, board game and chibi game communities to do research and protect themselves is what I would hope I would get from all the people in the community I know and trust. This is why we have communities to independently vet these companies who have issues. Smart ones will address the issues and not ignore or hide them like what I have seen here. Dubious.
If someone wants to back, so be it. Until my friend gets Hunters or all his money back, Chris Peach and any company he is connected to is not getting a dime from me for the reasons outline above.
2018/02/27 23:36:04
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
I don't see how what you are saying has any bearing, but I will try to dumb this down for you. A company that is NOW an LLC and ran by 3 people, of which Chris now only DESIGNS for would of course not publiAlso what first time creator cly state anything you just said. But it's cool to assume you know how to run a business when it's clear you do not given your next set of comments. When someone SELF PUBLISHES something, they do that as an individual no? And when there is an LLC that is an entity, that entity is publishing and is a business no? TO my understanding here in MN Sole Proprietorship's do not operate in this make believe way you have described, LLCs do, which is not to my knowledge how Chris was doing anything 4 years ago. It was him and him alone. Why would an LLC, ran by a GROUP of people talk about stuff their designer did on his own? That doesn't seem smart. But again, I run my own business so what would I know. I ALWAYS disclose what my previous laborers did before joining me *rolls eyes* oh wait... I don't as it has no bearing on what I am doing now. That backwards non-logic is like saying, hey Michael Jordan is the BEST player in the game, but before you pick him for your team, you should know he sucks as a basketball team owner.... it has nothing to do with what you are in business with him for so.... what? But ignorance is bliss they so yay on that!
Being a business of 1, or a buisness of 3 doesn't give you the right to default on a KS or somehow be small enough not to plan for and be responsible for risks. Also, being a buisness of 3 doesn't absolve the buisness of 1 for his prior obligations and it looks bad when a restructure cloaks identities. Dubious almost.
But HEY you managed to prove my point for me. The factory was at fault since his track record self publishing SINCE then (which again has nothing to do with the current topic but alright) has delivered to people and they seem pretty happy. Which again include 4 people I listed IN the industry who know how to run company's, not YOU an armchair critic who thinks he knows a thing or two.
You can blame the factory all you want, but a sub contractor is still the responsibility of the prime. KS doesn't give you a pass if an uninsured factory screws you (if that actually happened). I would think if the shipping company lost it, the factory has a claim with it, even in china. I have spoken with other people who have dealt with china factories for boardgames, and this all sounds 'odd' to them as there isn't a single shipment of any size like that which isn't tracked and insured and if it is lost, the factory would instantly be reimbursed for a new print run. A delay yes, not a 'hey we need 4500$ more. Doesn't line up with regular businesses nor others who deal in the same arenas. Dubious.
Also, what first time creator on KS has business insurance, I'm sorry man but your ignorance is showing assuming someone who barely has the money to fund the project has the money to insure it? But hey, you know everything about business right Give me a break. No one has manufacturers insurance. I seem to remember Eagle Griffon losing a ton of stock and as they said "no one in this industry carries insurance for something like that", but hey, they have only been around for years and you again, know everything right? But I agree, people should research things, unfortunately you have not adequately researched anything. You have made broad assumptions based off of... your own prejudice for a project that again, he was forthcoming about.
Insurance is cheap as incidents happen statistically insignificant. Also, he wouldn't need to insure it, simply pay for insured shipping from the factory. If he didn't have enough money, he is a poor businessman, his margins were invalid and he put his backers at risk and should not be trusted in future transactions. Dubious
Also yeah you are such a two faced person. I saw nothing but support for you in the Hunters page during the stuff to then bad mouth a designer (again, not a publisher) about it is just... crass at best. You need to get your life right man. But hey, I own 2 of the games Chris has designed, as well as the Krossmaster content he helped develop, and soon enough I will have more. He's a cool dude who made a mistake 4 years or so ago and since then has done nothing but deliver and make good games. Check your life, cause clearly based on your inadequacies here, you ain't doin it right.
So someone who was supportive when a game designer brought it to a community I am active in, then when excuses happened, it failed and people were ass out, calling out said person for dubious business behavior? Damn straight. People and companies don't get blind, endless support, especially when they fail and want more money without addressing their mistakes.
Being 'nice' doesn't make someone good at business or someone trustworthy with money. In fact, there are lots of failed KS made on the backs of nice guys with good intentions. The difference is they accept their failure and work to rectify their mistakes. They know they are not deserving of more money or trust... They don't make a new company, a new KS and beg for money on a new project while pretending the previous one never existed.
And for your personal attacks... reported. Telling people in the wargame, board game and chibi game communities to do research and protect themselves is what I would hope I would get from all the people in the community I know and trust. This is why we have communities to independently vet these companies who have issues. Smart ones will address the issues and not ignore or hide them like what I have seen here. Dubious.
If someone wants to back, so be it. Until my friend gets Hunters or all his money back, Chris Peach and any company he is connected to is not getting a dime from me for the reasons outline above.
Your first point is invalid and shows a complete lack of understanding for business.. maybe even money and the economy. And not understanding the difference between someone running what is legally considered a sole proprietorship vs someone ELSE running an LLC again shows a lack of understanding for honeslty high school taught business lessons. Also please use webster, dubious is so far a stretch is non applicable.
I am pretty sure he had admitted responsibility and fault for not better planning. Your inference here again shows a lack of understanding to how international shipping and business works. Which I get, without having an education or running a business it's hard to understand. Which is likely why Chris got in trouble and gave the keys to other people. It's a heavy burden. Not understanding how chinese manufacturing works... well thats just laughable as a google search of literally the story you laid out shows MANY companies suffer from this on a regular basis. I myself have before and have had to pay out of pocket. Luckily I run a decent business and can. Again, using the word dubious is disingenuous and I encourage the use of websters dictionary please.
Insurance is not cheap. Insurance for even 15k of product at a full MSRP to have coverage overseas at each point costs me about 8k per year. I encourage you here to use something so simple as GOOGLE before making innaccurate statements. Though that hasn't seemed to stop you eyt so why start now *shrugs*. To the rest of that, Chris is not tied to the LLC at all other than being paid for games he designs AFTER they hit retail according to Kurtis and Erica. So making some kind of straw man argument that he has somehow hoodwinked people is hilarious and "dubious" at best! Hey look I can use it wrong too
I don't see where I personally attacked you other than saying you were two faced. It's fact. Your comments here vs your comments there show a definite tendency to do such a thing. And looking through then your KS comments history it seems like an actual tendency vs your chibi group comments and your comments here. Report it all you want. Two faced doesnt use any offensive language. And if thats the case maybe stay away from like 3 big reputable companies that have a desire to work with him. Also, your idea of bashing him while saying he needs to fix it, those kind of personal attacks are counter productive to him fixing it. But hey, not using logic seems to be workin for you
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And for your personal attacks... reported. Telling people in the wargame, board game and chibi game communities to do research and protect themselves is what I would hope I would get from all the people in the community I know and trust. This is why we have communities to independently vet these companies who have issues. Smart ones will address the issues and not ignore or hide them like what I have seen here. Dubious.
If someone wants to back, so be it. Until my friend gets Hunters or all his money back, Chris Peach and any company he is connected to is not getting a dime from me for the reasons outline above.
I am also glad you brought that up. What I see on Hunters is a project ran by Chris Peach, a person. Yet the Kid Loves Tiger Games seems to be a business in Plymouth Minnesota, Chris doesn't live there so that's odd, and the company according to public records doesn't appear to be associated with him So thanks for reporting people should be informed, you are right. A company associated with a designer is running a game where YOU have a problem with the designer over something he was trying to self publish years ago. Case solved, you have some personal beef with someone not running a company so will tyr to hurt a company and the jobs of people who AREN'T that designer over that personal beef. Makes complete sense.
You know, Patrick Leder didn't shake my hand at con of the north, anyone who works with him ever needs to suffer! Get a grip and come back to reality.
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2018/02/27 23:47:31
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
@travisrams20, chill, you’ve said your peace. You are a “friend” of the creator and are going after someone who has brought up honest issues that I am frankly really glad we’re brought out into the open. You try and belittle someone on a board for pointing out who the main parties of a KS are and their history. We have seen more than a few KS where the previous company/person has created other KS to get money and hidden their identity to get more money. What was shown here is the type of watchfulness many of us here on DD appreciate. Everything since your first post has only made the situation worse. You’ve said your peace and he isn’t changing his mind. Please stop the attacks.
@Nkelsch, Thanks for saving me some money and possible headaches . Sorry you have absorbed some headaches since then
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2018/02/27 23:51:33
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
Theophony wrote: @travisrams20, chill, you’ve said your peace. You are a “friend” of the creator and are going after someone who has brought up honest issues that I am frankly really glad we’re brought out into the open. You try and belittle someone on a board for pointing out who the main parties of a KS are and their history. We have seen more than a few KS where the previous company/person has created other KS to get money and hidden their identity to get more money. What was shown here is the type of watchfulness many of us here on DD appreciate. Everything since your first post has only made the situation worse. You’ve said your peace and he isn’t changing his mind. Please stop the attacks.
@Nkelsch, Thanks for saving me some money and possible headaches . Sorry you have absorbed some headaches since then
I have met the dude once. I am friends with people who run the LLC. I liked Chris and I liked his games, and if countering his ridiculous points with facts is "going after" then the word snowflake would come to mind tbh. I am glad it was brought into the open as well, as I said, a simple googling would disprove everything he said. Like who owns the LLC but sure, if facts make it worse than there was a reason I usually observe rather than post here.
2018/02/28 00:46:07
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
I know what an LLC does legally... I am talking about morally and ethically. (and accountability within your desired community and social media. )
Someone who failed to run his own business expecting a clean slate and blank check because he 'tried again' with 2 friends may be seen as a legal new entity for business, but is the same person doing the same thing.
Running a failed KS and owing backers product is corporate death penalty to me. You get no more chances to try to make more KS regardless how you restructure or cloak your identity. You get to go get a job at starbucks, sequester away funds until you can repay your backers or finish the project. Once you make good, *MAYBE* people can consider letting you try again. For me... Nope. You do not make a fresh LLC and run a new KS.
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently operates Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
Now it says:
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently designs games for Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
Why would he have said 'currently operates' before, and then now change it? Especially right after this sock puppet now goes to great lengths to claim the legal distinction of working for VS owning and that no one should worry or care...
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2018/02/28 01:33:36
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
nkelsch wrote: I know what an LLC does legally... I am talking about morally and ethically. (and accountability within your desired community and social media. )
Someone who failed to run his own business expecting a clean slate and blank check because he 'tried again' with 2 friends may be seen as a legal new entity for business, but is the same person doing the same thing.
Running a failed KS and owing backers product is corporate death penalty to me. You get no more chances to try to make more KS regardless how you restructure or cloak your identity. You get to go get a job at starbucks, sequester away funds until you can repay your backers or finish the project. Once you make good, *MAYBE* people can consider letting you try again. For me... Nope. You do not make a fresh LLC and run a new KS.
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently operates Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
Now it says:
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently designs games for Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
Why would he have said 'currently operates' before, and then now change it? Especially right after this sock puppet now goes to great lengths to claim the legal distinction of working for VS owning and that no one should worry or care...
Oh cool, so you are the moral police *rolls eyes*. I sent Ben and Garret and Erica the link so likely they told him and they all changed things to make that distinction so some moron who doesn't look up who a business is registered too wouldn't be confused. Facts can be confusing I know.
And as his name is not tied to any bank accounts according to even KS since Beast Masters I can't imagine HOW you think he is running a company. But the fantasy makes for an interesting story so keep writing that fiction But again, what you are saying was a joke since he personally had fulfilled Legends and everyone in the US appears to have BM, UK and such can take longer I am sure. And given the company seems to be vetted by Tom Vasel who is recommending Tabula Rasa... oh WAIT! You know more than Tom Vasel about the companies in the industry too?! Wow the knowledge you hold. I am sure you think JFK was killed by the cia with these conspiracy theories you are running lol.
I had emailed this thread to Ben and Erica and Garret hoping they would come in and be a voice of reason to the lunacy you have been spouting for however long but whatever. I will continue speaking truth to whatever BS you keep saying, again, MN Sec of State, That company is not registered to Chris, but sure, I know tons of people who run comapnies without having it in their own name? Yeah right. My company is liscensed to me. And if they are smart, which I know Ben and Garret are, they have someone looking into it and recomending changes based on things like what you spout so that lazy people who hate facts don't make things up as they go.
2018/02/28 01:42:17
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
Travis, it was a pleasure meeting you at Con of the North and I am glad you enjoy the games, however, Nicholas's concerns are not unfounded, and somewhat well reasoned. Best to avoid gas-lighting these kind of things.
I am sure that they appreciate the advocacy, but in these kind of situations, less is more
2018/02/28 02:07:46
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
nkelsch wrote: I know what an LLC does legally... I am talking about morally and ethically. (and accountability within your desired community and social media. )
Someone who failed to run his own business expecting a clean slate and blank check because he 'tried again' with 2 friends may be seen as a legal new entity for business, but is the same person doing the same thing.
Running a failed KS and owing backers product is corporate death penalty to me. You get no more chances to try to make more KS regardless how you restructure or cloak your identity. You get to go get a job at starbucks, sequester away funds until you can repay your backers or finish the project. Once you make good, *MAYBE* people can consider letting you try again. For me... Nope. You do not make a fresh LLC and run a new KS.
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently operates Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
Now it says:
Originally a passion for writing, this turned into a passion for developing mechanics and board games. Chris Peach currently designs games for Kid Loves Tiger Games.
Questions about my games can be emailed to me since I check this often, but sometimes not often enough.
Why would he have said 'currently operates' before, and then now change it? Especially right after this sock puppet now goes to great lengths to claim the legal distinction of working for VS owning and that no one should worry or care...
If I may Nicholas, you are 100% correct. Hunters was a large mistake. And like Travis said, I funded Legends after that and have delivered it to every backer at this point, though we had some shipping issues I know outside of the US, that too was sorely on me and my inexperience. I was not trying to run a business, but rather make some cool games for people. You can see by the funding totals that obviously it wasn't a big money maker in or out of Kickstarter. A personal investor lost about 10k on Hunters as well so trust me, that failure is felt often. It's why I made the choice to step back after running the KS for Beast Masters. At that point, someone who was helping me develop games decided he would step in and between Him, Erica and the others Travis seemed to mention above, decided to publish games as business, meaning they did what I never did. They officially filed the proper paperwork.
Per the changes to Hunters speculated? Absolutely correct. It was mostly a passion project and when it blew up on us, we all kind of went our separate ways, other than me and Dallas that is (All the card design and Graphic Design stuffs). I apologize if the updates weren't clear enough, but you can see from all the boxes and figures that the game was produced, but as was brought up in the conversation above my friend, the he said she said of our shipper and manufacturer would be costly to pursue. You "making it right" it proven to be near impossible at this point with said sentiments as me running a Kickstarter on my own for a 2nd edition of Hunters seems too uphill. My best course has been developing it quietly and saving for instead a 500 count release because I agree with you, for me to ask for more money for a project a failed massively on in the past is a tough ask :/
That said, I have talked to Ignacy, Chern from CMON, I have spoken with Stephen from Stronghold, Michael at TMG about that situation and taken their advice along the way so any thoughts that any of those people used Insurance for their first projects is actually funny. Ignacy didn't know anything when he was first publishing, he admits he just had a bit of good luck. SO I would encourage you to reach out and be more informed on this as from my understanding, even dealing with another ind publisher, Mike Strickland of Outer Limit Games, they too were uninsured at a 100k plus project. Insurance quotes we got actually would have meant the project couldn't have been paid for at the levels we had. So while I understand it was a risk, and I was brash, I took it and failed. Sure enough.
As for the Boardgamegeek alterations, absolutely I was informed that I should update it per the confusion that seemed to be had by Erica and Ben who had spoken I guess to their legal friend. That stuff was added like 3-4 years ago when I first added myself to Boardgamegeek and I rarely touch it, per your post about the edit history So to be clear, I am the designer of the game, but publishing wise I myself am focused on self financing my own Hunters project. I do agree with Travis, it would be like saying I worked for LG and you would NEVER buy an LG product as long as I worked there over it. There are a lot of hard working people at LG that rely on those jobs and have nothing to do with any of my self endeavors. So all that said, I know you are a great moderating voice for the community, I appreciate your candor, and I hope that you don't continue to take away from the work Ron, Elle, Erica, Ben, Garret or Kurtis have done because of something that I did in fact make a mistake on in my own past. It's a good game that a lot of people worked on, that I will have 0 responsibility over the financing, shipping or manufacturing of They are good people who are a lot smarter than I.
Anyways, thanks for the time, for those uncomfortable backing it, I agree with Nicholas, don't, simple as that. I don't think ANYONE should back anything they would ultimately be modestly uncomfortable backing and I thank you for your time.
2018/02/28 02:46:10
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
Update - Unlocking, but please keep the following in mind:
The discussion above violates Dakka's #1 rule ("Be Polite") but I am going to leave it because it has some relevance to the past Kickstarter / accounts / etc.
Unrelated to the above, for any thread on Dakka Dakka, if you personally know, are in the same location as, or have a strong connection to another poster, you must be forthcoming about this when posting.
Any questsions, just PM me - thanks all!
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2018/02/28 15:02:10
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
I appreciate your response Chris, but the proposed position, that "KidLovesTigerGames" is a new company own and run by someone else where you are just a lowly employee doing 'a job' flies in the face of all available information on the internet and history. I cannot believe you and what you are saying doesn't seem true. It is clear that "KidLovesTigerGames" is yours, has been yours, and nobody but yours for years. Now that you need your identity to take a back seat and a fresh account to get around KS rules, this restructure is super convenient.
The founder and lead Designer for Kid Loves Tiger Games, I also co-host a get together with other designers each week. Fee free to contact me with any questions at cjpeach200@gmail.com
DNS owned by you for a company you just work for long before the company existed.
Domain Name: KIDLOVESTIGERGAMES.COM
Registrant Name: Chris Peach
And there is way more out there for anyone who casually googles.
This means Hunters was funded and failed as your LLC. While it is simple enough to get a NEW LLC and claim autonomy, the incredulity of that situation is beyond what most reasonable people can accept.
Nope. Dubious. People should be warned. "Caveat Emperor". You have a failed kickstarter on your rap sheet and do not deserve another attempt under the guise of a new company in my opinion. Until I see this information prominently displayed on the ALPHAS kickstarter under risks and about this company, I feel people should be warned.
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2018/02/28 15:28:44
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game (Chibi), by Kids Love Tigers Games, Kickstarter
From looking into this, the evidence that Chris Peach is the owner/operator of Kid Loves Tiger Games is pretty overwhelming. As nkelsch posted above:
- The website kidlovestigergames.com is registered to Chris Peach (I checked this with a WHOIS lookup, as anyone can do)
- He launched the final campaign under his personal Kickstarter account using a nearly identical company name (Kid Loves Tiger LLC)
- He posted YouTube videos as Kid Loves Tiger Games from his personal account, and only recently deleted and moved them to a separate account
There's not necessarily a problem with someone making a new company, of course, or wanting to separate it from their personal accounts. What IS a problem, though, is not being forthcoming about one's involvement in a company, and especially actively trying to hide/obfuscate it. The fact that he has multiple outstanding Kickstarters on his own account and now has multiple campaigns in this new account, none of which are completely fulfilled (and only one of which is partially fulfilled) raises a large red flag for me.
Here are those campaigns, if someone is interested in checking their status:
- Under the original Chris Peach Kickstarter account
Hunters game - No fulfillment at all to backers
Legends of the Mist game - Continuing comments from international backers who have not received the game
Beast Masters game - Due date has passed but production status is not clear with backers posting in the comments about a lack of updates
- Under the new "Kid Loves Tiger Games" account:
Tabula Rasa game - Due date in 4-5 months
Alphas game - Currently funding
Again, whether he has good intentions but is just getting in way, Way, WAY over his head with 5 campaigns needing fulfillment, or has bad intentions, isn't possible to know over the web... but what is clear, is that he is vastly over-committed, and thus tried to hide / minimize his involvement here. I've actually never seen someone with so many unfulfilled campaigns in such a short time that hasn't faced more pushback from backers. And I'm really surprised people are willing to back his current project with all of the others still outstanding! With this project, he will have 5 projects funded, and only 1 partially fulfilled... that's insane
Just my opinion, but I think the fact he was hiding his level of involvement here is a problem and backers of his campaigns should be concerned...
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2018/02/28 16:46:19
Subject: Re:Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game - Also several unfulfilled campaigns by creator
Thanks for the diligence guys . Too bad Kickstarter doesn’t bother with doing their research
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
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2018/02/28 16:47:59
Subject: Alphas - A Superhero Miniatures Game - Also several unfulfilled campaigns by creator
RiTides wrote: From looking into this, the evidence that Chris Peach is the owner/operator of Kid Loves Tiger Games is pretty overwhelming. As nkelsch posted above:
- The website kidlovestigergames.com is registered to Chris Peach (I checked this with a WHOIS lookup, as anyone can do)
- He launched the final campaign under his personal Kickstarter account using a nearly identical company name (Kid Loves Tiger LLC)
- He posted YouTube videos as Kid Loves Tiger Games from his personal account, and only recently deleted and moved them to a separate account
There's not necessarily a problem with someone making a new company, of course, or wanting to separate it from their personal accounts. What IS a problem, though, is not being forthcoming about one's involvement in a company, and especially actively trying to hide/obfuscate it. The fact that he has multiple outstanding Kickstarters on his own account and now has multiple campaigns in this new account, none of which are completely fulfilled (and only one of which is partially fulfilled) raises a large red flag for me.
I'm reluctantly going to have to concur, that does look fairly conclusive that he's not 'just' the designer so i'm going to stop updating this (and have a hard think whether I want to carry on backing since i'm still interested but a lot less comfortable about it)
Give me a break. No one has manufacturers insurance. I seem to remember Eagle Griffon losing a ton of stock and as they said "no one in this industry carries insurance for something like that", but hey, they have only been around for years and you again, know everything right? But I agree, people should research things, unfortunately you have not adequately researched anything. You have made broad assumptions based off of... your own prejudice for a project that again, he was forthcoming about.
