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Hey everybody recommendations for an Escalation League I'll be starting next month. No I am not playing Orks as much as my name would suggest . Its just a name after all . Orks will forever be in my heart though .

Requirements are that we have to purchase a start collecting, initially I wanted to purchase the Eldar Start Collecting with Farseer skyrunner, fire prism, and new jetbike models, but thats apparently out of stock. So going with the regular Start collecting Eldar box. Comes with 1 farseer/warlock, 1 war walker, 1 unit of wraithguard or blades, 1 wraithlord. They have to be apart of the 1000pt list for the first month. It increases by 500 every month. First list has to be one detachment.

Two things I would like help with is choice of attribute (leaning towards Ulthwe) and the obvious help with the 1000pt list. Keep in mind I don't know what type of games we will be playing as that is still in the works.

++Spearhead Deatchment 1000pts++
Autarch with Swooping Hawk Wings - 112 pts
Power Sword
Fusion Gun
shuriken pistol
Likely will drop with Wraithguard using webway stratagem giving that needed re-roll 1s to hit.

Farseer - 105 pts
Singing Spear and shuriken pistol
Doom and Fortune

Guardian Defenders - 95 pts
Shuriken Cannon Platform

Bonesinger - 70pts
Faolchu's Wing Relic
To Keep up with Wave Serpent and Wraithlord

Wraithguard - 200pts
Wraithcannons

War Walker - 70pts
2 Shuriken Cannons each

War Walker - 70pts
2 Shuriken Cannons each

Wraithlord - 133pts
2 Shuriken Cannons
2 Shuriken Catapults
Ghostglaive - 10pts

Wave Serpent - 144pts
Twin Shuriken Cannon
Shuriken Cannon
Vectored Engines

Should come out to 999pts. Not sure if that is the right assortment of anti-tank and anti-infantry. Either way let me know what you guys think!

I think it looks pretty good. Maybe drop the bonesinger for a larger group of gaurdians. webway striking a unit of 20 gaurdians is pretty awesome, that frees up the wave serpent for the gaurd and take the spiritseer with them for reroll 1s on those cannons. Flamers are nice on the lord too.

The bonesinger just isn't that good for its points. If you are taking so much Shuriken why wouldn't you go Biel-tan?

I think you need more anti multi wound model stuff. Best bet is to put these weapons on the War Walkers, though they get -1 to hit it they move you can put them both in the same squad for guiding purposes or even the Biel-tan warlord trait.

I'd drop the Singing Spear, Bonesinger, Shuriken Cannons on the War Walkers and also the Autarch Skyrunner with Laser Lance is so much better in my opinion. Also doubling everything in the guardian squad for a great bomb unit

I'll add to that. I have been using a 20 man blob of guardians with 2 shuriken cannons backed by a deep striking autarch to good effect. I have the guardians deploy through the webway which means you can put out 42 shots, rerolling 1's on a unit. The autarch with the right Warlord trait will also keep them fearless. Its a nice unit to control an area of the board for fairly cheap. I also love the stratagem which gives your guardian unit a 4+ invul save, really handy.

Thanks all! All of your guys' input makes a lot of sense. I think getting rid of the bonesinger makes a lot of sense. Adding to the guardians also sounds like a great idea. I still like the Autarch with swooping hawk wings that way I can not only get re-rolls of 1s of wraith units but instead with my whole army. If I put the war walkers together then I won't have a legal spearhead detachment. I personally like running Ulthwe because I like free spirit stones on vehicles, which I plan on taking a few at 1500, plus if I am already taking an autarch then there isn't much need for Biel-tan's attribute. Let me tweak the list and see how it looks.

++Spearhead Deatchment 1000pts++

Autarch with Swooping Hawk Wings - 112 pts
Power Sword
Fusion Gun
shuriken pistol
Bansee Mask
Shimmerplume of achillrial Relic (-1 to hit)
Likely will drop with Wraithguard using webway stratagem giving that needed re-roll 1s to hit. He thankfully can deep strike on his own.

Farseer - 100 pts
Witchblade and shuriken pistol
Doom and Fortune

Guardian Defenders x18 - 159pts
Shuriken Cannon Platform

Wraithguard - 200pts
Wraithcannons

War Walker - 70pts
2 Shuriken Cannons each

War Walker - 80pts
2 Star Cannons each

Wraithlord - 133pts
2 Star Cannons
2 Shuriken Catapults


Wave Serpent - 144pts
Twin Shuriken Cannon
Shuriken Cannon
Vectored Engines

All in all comes out to 998pts. Thoughts?


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Also by running Ulthwe I can run that very fun Black Guardian Stratagem on the guardians when they show up via webway, so I think I'll stick with Ulthwe, especially with the way I tweaked the list. Unsure about the star cannons though. Have you guys had much luck with them?

Since your planning to webway strike the gaurdians and wraithgaurd along with using wing for the autarch, for a 1k list you dont need the wave serpent in this list, and could run an extra lord or walker and get your gaurdians to 20. If you keep the serpent id run the gaurd in the serpent and save the 2 extra cp.

The starcannons arnt enough to deal with terminators but bad against vehicals compared to bright lances. I would take shuriken for the 6 shots on a warwalker since it has battle focus and put bright lances on the wraithlord if your plan is for him to be stagnant on the back feild, Shuriken cannons if you want to move him up the feild.

Well, I'd take 1 Farseer with jetbike (guide, doom), 2 Serpents (shuricannons, eventually missile launchers) without upgrades, 3 Warwalkers with dual shuricannons.
Fill the rest with Guardians or Dire Avengers.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I'd take 1 Farseer with jetbike (guide, doom), 2 Serpents (shuricannons, eventually missile launchers) without upgrades, 3 Warwalkers with dual shuricannons.
Fill the rest with Guardians or Dire Avengers.

Sorry but what's the point in this post? You clearly didn't read the OP where he said he has to use the contents of the start collecting box. Are you just farming for number of posts?

Yes as aforementioned I have to use whats in the Craftworld Start Collecting.

I plan on using the webway stratagem on only one unit, depending on my opponent. Sometimes I'll use it on the guardian squad and sometimes I'll use it on the wraithguard. I like having the wave serpent for fast moving units since we will likely be playing objective games (CA maelstrom missions), they are also there in case I do not webway the wraithguard. This way they have a solid transport in the wave serpent.

I played a couple of games with this list and it did quite well. I can try to put brightlances on the wraithlord and put shuriken cannons on the 2 war walkers. Not sure if I have the points for it, but we will see what it comes out to. I figure the star cannons are solid choice in 1000pts since they won't typically have too many vehicles and wraithguard can typically take care of most vehicles.

So your Guardians or Wraithguard go in the Wave Serpent if they aren't going in the webway? That's a really good way to play it.

Though when you go up in points you might want to consider an additional Serpent, put both units in there, and then use cloud strike twice as you are essentially deepstriking 4 units instead of 2 for 2 CP instead of 3 CP.

Still think you should take a Skyrunner Autarch as it can actually do something meaningful. 100pts or so isn't worth it if it's main ability is to just grant reroll 1's. Statistically you would be better spending that on additional Wraithguard.

Apart from that unless you want to go cut throat competitive adding more multi damage weaponry is all you need to do.

When you get to doing your scaled up list you should make another thread for it too

Well the wave serpent has a max capacity of 12 I believe, so the guardians (18 plus weapon platform) won't fit in there. I was thinking of taking another serpent in the 1500, but that's probably more for dire avengers or fire dragons. I think the plan for the upcoming list will be asurmen and lots of aspect warriors. The autarch is there for not only re-rolls of 1s, but for extra tank killing if the wraithguards don't get the job done for whatever reason. I don't rely on star cannons for vehicle killing (wounding on 5+ on most vehicles sucks). I will definitely post the 1500 and 2k list when the time comes. Thanks all!

Ahh I missed the 2nd list when I was doing my last reply somehow.

You defo want a 2nd platform for the durability on your guardians. By managing which wounds go where you can maximise your guardians durability.

But you can take an Autarch Skyrunner with Laser Lance and Fusion gun and be even more extra anti tank. The Autarch with wings and on foot don't do as much damage, aren't as tough and are less points efficient.

You should try and take some Spiritseers too as they are really cheap and have great powers. A Spiritseer with 10 Dire Avengers and Asurmen could give the Dire Avengers a 3+ invulnerable save. And also fits nicely in a Wave Serpent. Though not super competitive. Or 2 5 man squads and you can get the Battalion for CP then.

Sorry for the last response. Yes I will try to make room for that extra platform as it is a tank while in cover. I don't currently have the points for an Autarch Skyrunner with that exact loadout. He's really just a buff HQ with a fusion gun, and I guess the off chance I get a command point back on a 6. Spiritseers will defintely be in the 1500 point list since I love taking protect/jinx power. Probably will go Battalion for the next list since I can only do one detachment for 1500 as well.

If you drop the Fusion gun it only costs 108pts and would do way more damage with the laser lance shooting and charging than it would with just a fusion gun also you have twin shuriken catapults on the bike for extra dakka

That's a good point, I guess I just like that he can reliably show up near deep strikers without me having to plan ahead of time. Definitely will keep that in mind though. Thanks for the input!

Part 2 of my list is up! Let me know what you think.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/753849.page