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Seems like they are probably going to bring back Sanguinius, in the black legion novel the ghost of Sanny boy floats about in the vengeful spirit. Sounds like they'll bring him back, probably through the sanguinor or some nonsense. I can just imagine Ferrus and Curze coming back, walking about without heads bumping into each other and Dorn waving at people with his stub lol. I really hopw they don't bring them back, that would be embarrassing.
   
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Of course they'll bring them back.
Then everyone will rage in the forums.
Then they'll talk about how awesome the spoilers look for the new models.
Then about how amazing it is on the table top.
Then about what broken combos it makes, when you can field Magnus and Mort- Uh, Gulliman and Sanguinus in the same army.
Then they'll all buy the model.

Then the cycle will repeat with the next super hero... Super heavy... Primark... Stupid-unfluffy-unit... Whatever it is.
Because that's what we always do.

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Anything and everything to do with Grey Knights “Dread Knights”, and the abominations that are 40k “centurions”.

I hate both of those models so much, and by extension all lore that justifies them.

   
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AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Of course they'll bring them back.
Then everyone will rage in the forums.
Then they'll talk about how awesome the spoilers look for the new models.
Then about how amazing it is on the table top.
Then about what broken combos it makes, when you can field Magnus and Mort- Uh, Gulliman and Sanguinus in the same army.
Then they'll all buy the model.

Then the cycle will repeat with the next super hero... Super heavy... Primark... Stupid-unfluffy-unit... Whatever it is.
Because that's what we always do.


remember when centurions where horriably looking lore breaking monstrocities because "OMG! they're just sliding them in as always existing" into the lore. then the primaris marines give the space marines genuinely new stuff and they're criticizied for fluffing it as NEW

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BrianDavion wrote:
AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Of course they'll bring them back.
Then everyone will rage in the forums.
Then they'll talk about how awesome the spoilers look for the new models.
Then about how amazing it is on the table top.
Then about what broken combos it makes, when you can field Magnus and Mort- Uh, Gulliman and Sanguinus in the same army.
Then they'll all buy the model.

Then the cycle will repeat with the next super hero... Super heavy... Primark... Stupid-unfluffy-unit... Whatever it is.
Because that's what we always do.


remember when centurions where horriably looking lore breaking monstrocities because "OMG! they're just sliding them in as always existing" into the lore. then the primaris marines give the space marines genuinely new stuff and they're criticizied for fluffing it as NEW


I resent both the Primaris and the Centurions. Almost as much as I resent the Imperial Guard squad of Psykers and the casual 'Take as many astropaths as you like in skirmish missions'.

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The Custodes stuff is a bit weak mainly because it comes on top of so many other 'humanity's greatest warriors'.

Scions
Sisters
Marines
Space Wolves
Death Watch
Primaris
Grey Knights
Assassins
and now Custodes

And of course the rules don't live up to it, they're just slightly improved marines, basically an army of Chapter Captains. From the fluff I'd expect 5 wounds, 10 attacks...

There's only so many superlatives you can use.

 
   
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AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Of course they'll bring them back.
Then everyone will rage in the forums.
Then they'll talk about how awesome the spoilers look for the new models.
Then about how amazing it is on the table top.
Then about what broken combos it makes, when you can field Magnus and Mort- Uh, Gulliman and Sanguinus in the same army.
Then they'll all buy the model.

Then the cycle will repeat with the next super hero... Super heavy... Primark... Stupid-unfluffy-unit... Whatever it is.
Because that's what we always do.


Or we still keep saying it sucks and shouldn't exists. Here certainly are no primaris, no guillimann, no whatever newest nonsense.

But yeah they will release all 21 primarch for 40k sooner or later :(

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Most of them are pretty straightforward. Dorn, Kurze, Vulkan, and Alpharius are "presumed" dead (which is code for "not really dead but we haven't thought of a good plotline to bring them back with), Khan, Russ, and Corax left on crusade and never came back (which means they're still wandering somewhere, they're just lost), Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, and Lorgar are all Daemon Princes running their own worlds in the Eye of Terror (which means they just have to make a suitably grotesquely oversized monstrosity of a model and they're good to go), and Guilliman and the Lion are sleeping in defined locations (or were, until Guilliman woke up).

The only ones that are at all difficult are:

Ferrus Manus: He's definitely dead, but Fulgrim keeps cloning him, trying to convince the clone to turn to Chaos, and killing them when they don't, so all we need is to have Russ (lost in the Eye of Terror with the 13th Great Company) find Fulgrim's planet and assault it to rescue a Ferrus clone.

Sanguinius: I've got a theory that the whole psychic imprint of his death that's behind the Black Rage isn't just a throwaway red herring, Sanguinius' consciousness has actually been discorporated (sort of the way Khaine has) and he's spent ten thousand years gathering himself back together and he's finally started preparing a suitable vessel for his resurrection, which is why Mephiston is the only Blood Angel ever to come back from the Black Rage and why he's S/T5. Sanguinius is growing him into Primarch proportions before he displaces Mephiston's mind and takes over his body. In this extended jaunt through logic and headcanon the Sanguinor is the red herring.

Horus: He's the only one I honestly don't think they'll bring back, both because of the weird identity lore around Abaddon ("Sons of Horus" as members of the Legion who look exactly like him, and Abaddon shutting down Fabius Bile's clone lab and killing the Horus clones.) and because it'd mean the Emperor didn't manage to obliterate him properly. I'm expecting a new post-Indomitus-Crusade counter Black Crusade with Abaddon properly ascended to Daemon Prince as the Black Legion 'Primarch'.

(As for the original question I'm still really annoyed at the 5e GK book. Not only does the Inquisition get cut almost entirely out of the tabletop, not only are eight hundred Grey Knights suddenly the only military force they've got access to after all the prior lore giving them significant private armies, the Deathwatch, Battle Sisters, etc., but the Grey Knights are suddenly incompetents whose protection against daemons can be improved by slaughtering their allies and painting their armour in blood, and they're led by Samurai Jack, who can't be bothered to actually do anything as pedestrian as, I don't know, lead the Grey Knights because he's too busy running around the Warp casually beating up Daemon Primarchs and wandering into their deepest sanctums for sh**s and giggles.)

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tneva82 wrote:
AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Of course they'll bring them back.
Then everyone will rage in the forums.
Then they'll talk about how awesome the spoilers look for the new models.
Then about how amazing it is on the table top.
Then about what broken combos it makes, when you can field Magnus and Mort- Uh, Gulliman and Sanguinus in the same army.
Then they'll all buy the model.

Then the cycle will repeat with the next super hero... Super heavy... Primark... Stupid-unfluffy-unit... Whatever it is.
Because that's what we always do.


Or we still keep saying it sucks and shouldn't exists. Here certainly are no primaris, no guillimann, no whatever newest nonsense.

But yeah they will release all 21 primarch for 40k sooner or later :(


pople will rage about gulliman for a bit but in the end they'll accept it or quit. even now those opposed to gulliman are a vocal minority

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If they bring back all the primarchs then the horus heresy not only loses it's impact on the setting but also its distinct appeal as a setting for gaming itself. I already disagree and dislike about everything Cawl has done to the setting. If they bring back Ferrus or Sanguinius I will seriously stop taking interest in 40k as a setting at all. I don't think there needs to be story progression or new things anymore. This is a backdrop for games and models...not a novel or evolving tv series.

Also for the record I haven't ever bought a primarch model, from FW or GW for that matter. if 40k become like AoS where it's a struggle of god like beings and super heroes then it diminishes the significance of the captains and characters the players create, whether it's an autarch or space marine captain. It leaves less room for characters to stand out because no one can compare to how OP and crap the primarchs are.

 
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
If they bring back all the primarchs then the horus heresy not only loses it's impact on the setting but also its distinct appeal as a setting for gaming itself. I already disagree and dislike about everything Cawl has done to the setting. If they bring back Ferrus or Sanguinius I will seriously stop taking interest in 40k as a setting at all. I don't think there needs to be story progression or new things anymore. This is a backdrop for games and models...not a novel or evolving tv series.

Also for the record I haven't ever bought a primarch model, from FW or GW for that matter. if 40k become like AoS where it's a struggle of god like beings and super heroes then it diminishes the significance of the captains and characters the players create, whether it's an autarch or space marine captain. It leaves less room for characters to stand out because no one can compare to how OP and crap the primarchs are.



except that 40k as a setting had, after 20 or so years of non-development begun to get stale, moving things up a bit, allows them to shake stuff up
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Um Dorns skeleton is hanging in the Imperial Fist battle barge (per the novel Space Marine). The captains use it for skrimshaw practice.

Suffice to say if he's alive he must be pretty pissed by now.

Oh and while no one has found Russ, the Space Wolves found his armor, which means he's wandering the galaxy completely NEEKID.

I hope his model will reflect that fluff.

 
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Of course they'll bring them back.
Then everyone will rage in the forums.
Then they'll talk about how awesome the spoilers look for the new models.
Then about how amazing it is on the table top.
Then about what broken combos it makes, when you can field Magnus and Mort- Uh, Gulliman and Sanguinus in the same army.
Then they'll all buy the model.

Then the cycle will repeat with the next super hero... Super heavy... Primark... Stupid-unfluffy-unit... Whatever it is.
Because that's what we always do.


Or we still keep saying it sucks and shouldn't exists. Here certainly are no primaris, no guillimann, no whatever newest nonsense.

But yeah they will release all 21 primarch for 40k sooner or later :(


pople will rage about gulliman for a bit but in the end they'll accept it or quit. even now those opposed to gulliman are a vocal minority


I ain't quitting but good luck finding him on our tables. We play on different time line altogether which ignores the crap GW has come up. No primarches running around in our time line nor primaris nor have we any intention as that would rip all continuity and cause all sort of weird time paradoxes like where the hell these supposedly so awesome primaris were during chaos raid's of terra system?

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I gotta be honest I like the new direction GW has taken with the recent fluff. I like the primarchs coming back, I don't play chaos or Imperium but it's still one of the reasons I returned back to the hobby properly. It's nice to have things progress for a change. The storyline had been static/repeating the same thing since I first got in to the hobby at the age of 10. I'm 32 now and it feels that only in the last few years has the story actually moved forward. If you want to know the fluff I hate most it's either the previous black crusades (filler) or the Grey Knight stuff.

I'm also glad the general tone is shifting a little. We've had what, 30 years of grim dark? Can't we have a few years of grim beige at the very least?
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Um Dorns skeleton is hanging in the Imperial Fist battle barge (per the novel Space Marine). The captains use it for skrimshaw practice.

Suffice to say if he's alive he must be pretty pissed by now.

Oh and while no one has found Russ, the Space Wolves found his armor, which means he's wandering the galaxy completely NEEKID.

I hope his model will reflect that fluff.


Got retconned to his hands.

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FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
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 jhe90 wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Um Dorns skeleton is hanging in the Imperial Fist battle barge (per the novel Space Marine). The captains use it for skrimshaw practice.

Suffice to say if he's alive he must be pretty pissed by now.

Oh and while no one has found Russ, the Space Wolves found his armor, which means he's wandering the galaxy completely NEEKID.

I hope his model will reflect that fluff.


Got retconned to his hands.


That's silly. How does he put his pants on in the morning?

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Um Dorns skeleton is hanging in the Imperial Fist battle barge (per the novel Space Marine). The captains use it for skrimshaw practice.

Suffice to say if he's alive he must be pretty pissed by now.

Oh and while no one has found Russ, the Space Wolves found his armor, which means he's wandering the galaxy completely NEEKID.

I hope his model will reflect that fluff.


Got retconned to his hands.


That's silly. How does he put his pants on in the morning?


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The worst lore is the Ynnari being able to reverse the Rubric. Completely cheapens Ahriman's quest that some cat lady can just snap her fingers and solve the entire problem.
   
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GW could be justified in bringing back:

Primarchs:
Lion El'Johsnnon - Waking up with the worst hangover ever
Corax (out of the warp)
Russ (out of the warp)
Khan (out of the webway)
Vulkan (being a Perpetual healing himself after the war of the Beast)
Kurze (because no-one saw him die)
Alpharius (Because it could be Omegon)

Do I hope they do this? NO. Because it's bad enough having Guilliman back and upsetting the balance of all Space Marine armies with his Primaris Marines.
   
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Primaris and Cawl (especially as he's now apparently worked on the Space Marine project where it was explicitly stated all the scientists were killed). It jars with everything, followed closely by the 2 pages in Legion it takes for a coven of xenos witches to convince Alpharius to betray the Emperor by showing a vision of how to defeat Chaos. It's like a piss take of the 90s moral panic that kids are too impressionable to play violent computer games.

Kaldor Draigo flying through the Warp, the new-ish cheapening of Fulgrim, and the Guilliman Ex Machina'ing of the Blood Angels. I dislike the return of the Primarchs, as it doesn't quite fit the narrative. The Loyalist Primarchs are KIA/MIA and the Traitor Primarchs are above such petty squabbles like reality.

These are the most egregious things anyway.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The Custodes stuff is a bit weak mainly because it comes on top of so many other 'humanity's greatest warriors'.

Scions
Sisters
Marines
Space Wolves
Death Watch
Primaris
Grey Knights
Assassins
and now Custodes

And of course the rules don't live up to it, they're just slightly improved marines, basically an army of Chapter Captains. From the fluff I'd expect 5 wounds, 10 attacks...

There's only so many superlatives you can use.


Custodes aren't new, at all. They just looked... different.

   
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For sheer lack of scale the Tau attack on the hive world of Agrellan.

Listed as 20 cadres of fire warriors (~1000 warriors total plus vehicle support and a handful of riptides) split into separate simultaneous attacks against 20 hive cities.

Ground assaults directly through the minefields into the artillery barrage, through the bunkers and outer walls, followed by street to street fighting against the local PDF, guard forces, a household of knights and an entire company of white scars space marines including the chapter master.

Needless to say that the tau routed the whole planet with minimal losses.

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 Corennus wrote:
GW could be justified in bringing back:

Primarchs:
Lion El'Johsnnon - Waking up with the worst hangover ever
Corax (out of the warp)
Russ (out of the warp)
Khan (out of the webway)
Vulkan (being a Perpetual healing himself after the war of the Beast)
Kurze (because no-one saw him die)
Alpharius (Because it could be Omegon)

Do I hope they do this? NO. Because it's bad enough having Guilliman back and upsetting the balance of all Space Marine armies with his Primaris Marines.

Dorn (Only his hands were found)
Ferrus Manus (Could be in Mars or could be a clone)
   
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 Corennus wrote:
GW could be justified in bringing back:

Primarchs:
Lion El'Johsnnon - Waking up with the worst hangover ever
Corax (out of the warp)
Russ (out of the warp)
Khan (out of the webway)
Vulkan (being a Perpetual healing himself after the war of the Beast)
Kurze (because no-one saw him die)
Alpharius (Because it could be Omegon)

Do I hope they do this? NO. Because it's bad enough having Guilliman back and upsetting the balance of all Space Marine armies with his Primaris Marines.


Kurze was witnessed to die, his legion saw M'Shen running with his severed head in the Night lords book series. It's just the pict feed that was supposed to show she completed the job got slightly corrupted so you can't see all the details.

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 AnomanderRake wrote:
Most of them are pretty straightforward. Dorn, Kurze, Vulkan, and Alpharius are "presumed" dead (which is code for "not really dead but we haven't thought of a good plotline to bring them back with)


Where is it said that Vulkan is dead? AFAIK, he just... kind of left and is said to come back once the Sallies finally find all of his loot. Plus, he is a Perpetual, so killing him for good seems kind of... difficult.

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I have a great dislike of;

-Anything Primaris.
-Grey Knight Baby Carrier
-The Marines Inside Marines Centurions

None of those were needed in the lore, and while I like the Primaris models, they should have just been the new scale of Space Marine. I seriously just dislike the Centurions since in the lore they do not fill any gaps in the army. Anything they do is done better by a different unit, shooting? Actual Devastators or Dreadnoughts. Melee? Terminators or once again, Dreadnoughts. They were introduced just to sell us crap new models, and make zero sense. The Grey Knight baby carrier is an absolute travesty of a model and bit of fluff. It is a crap stain that just adds to the growing skid mark that is the Grey Knights lore.
   
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A.T. wrote:
For sheer lack of scale the Tau attack on the hive world of Agrellan.

Listed as 20 cadres of fire warriors (~1000 warriors total plus vehicle support and a handful of riptides) split into separate simultaneous attacks against 20 hive cities.

Ground assaults directly through the minefields into the artillery barrage, through the bunkers and outer walls, followed by street to street fighting against the local PDF, guard forces, a household of knights and an entire company of white scars space marines including the chapter master.

Needless to say that the tau routed the whole planet with minimal losses.

A Tau cadre is listed as 50 soldiers? That would be the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. (Not that I think you're making it up. GW is totally that ridiculous.) But where does it say that? I've always pictured a cadre as a group of several dozen thousands at the low end.
   
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As always. the Lore surrounding the characters and races is VASTLY overinflated compared to the actual tabletop game in the real world.

If the tabletop game was the same as the Lore you'd have a single HQ unit taking on an entire army of Orks (Marneus i'm looking at you).

Or Terminators who can only be felled by a bloodthirster. nothing less.
   
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3dog wrote:
A Tau cadre is listed as 50 soldiers? That would be the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
4th edition Tau codex, page 22.
"A Cadre normally consists of up to six fire warrior teams, plus a number of Pathfinder, Stealth, and Battlesuit teams, plus a handful of Hammerhead tanks or more specialised vehicles..."

Call it 60-70 firewarriors at the high end allowing for drones, plus the specialists. Perhaps as many as 100 soldiers all in.
   
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A.T. wrote:
3dog wrote:
A Tau cadre is listed as 50 soldiers? That would be the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
4th edition Tau codex, page 22.
"A Cadre normally consists of up to six fire warrior teams, plus a number of Pathfinder, Stealth, and Battlesuit teams, plus a handful of Hammerhead tanks or more specialised vehicles..."

Call it 60-70 firewarriors at the high end allowing for drones, plus the specialists. Perhaps as many as 100 soldiers all in.


Fire warrior squads are 6-12, so 60-120 warriors in a cadre (plus support).

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