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2018/02/18 22:23:01
Subject: Charging characters in the assault phase
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Fresh-Faced New User
Red Bank, NJ
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I was playing a game at my LGS and had a disagreement on the interpretation of character rules. So as far as I read them the only time you cannot choose a character as a target is in the shooting phase unless he is the closest model to the unit that is attacking. Totally fine with that and completely understand, phsychic phase however is free game as well as charging, or so I thought, mid game I tried charging the opponents character (tech priest) with some vanguard vets but my opponent told me this was not a legal move because his hellhound was the closest model to my unit... I’ve looked everywhere and from my findings I believe a charge could be made against his character and is totally legal. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!
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2018/02/18 22:27:26
Subject: Re:Charging characters in the assault phase
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Your opponent is wrong/cheating.
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Disclaimer - I am a Games Workshop Shareholder. |
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2018/02/18 22:44:28
Subject: Re:Charging characters in the assault phase
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Malicious Mutant Scum
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Directly from the rules "A character can only be chosen as a target in the shooting phase if " blah blah........
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2018/02/18 23:04:03
Subject: Charging characters in the assault phase
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Yeah, that guy was wrong or cheating. Your charge declaration was totally legal.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2018/02/18 23:29:02
Subject: Re:Charging characters in the assault phase
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Lieutenant General
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grr wrote:Directly from the rules "A character can only be chosen as a target in the shooting phase if " blah blah........
You're forgetting that rule was changed in Chapter Approved...
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2018/02/18 23:40:40
Subject: Re:Charging characters in the assault phase
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Chapter approved only changed how you target characters in shooting. You can still declare a charge to anyone no matter who it is
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2018/02/18 23:40:59
Subject: Charging characters in the assault phase
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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No it wasn't.
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2018/02/19 01:13:36
Subject: Charging characters in the assault phase
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Lieutenant General
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Yes, the rule was changed. The "... in the Shooting phase..." is not present in the new 'Targeting Characters' rule in Chapter Approved as it would be redundant since you don't 'target' units in the Assault phase (and you definitely don't have a 'firer' either). I'm not positive if there are any Psychic powers that specifically 'target' a unit but if there are, then the 'Targeting Characters' rule should apply there as well.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2018/02/19 02:09:35
Subject: Charging characters in the assault phase
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Norn Queen
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Ghaz wrote:
Yes, the rule was changed. The "... in the Shooting phase..." is not present in the new 'Targeting Characters' rule in Chapter Approved as it would be redundant since you don't 'target' units in the Assault phase (and you definitely don't have a 'firer' either). I'm not positive if there are any Psychic powers that specifically 'target' a unit but if there are, then the 'Targeting Characters' rule should apply there as well.
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/warhammer_40000_chapter_approved_2017_en-1.pdf
ERR ATA
Page 67
– Matched Play Mission Rules,
Targeting Characters
Change the first sentence to read:
‘An enemy Character with a Wounds characteristic
of less than 10 can only be chosen as a target in the
Shooting phase if it is both visible to the firer and it is
the closest enemy model to the firer.’
What was that you were saying?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/02/19 02:10:19
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2018/02/19 02:21:23
Subject: Re:Charging characters in the assault phase
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Lieutenant General
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You'd think the guy who keeps the FAQ thread would remember to check the FAQ. I blame a lack of sleep
BTW, grr was still wrong as he was quoting from the main rulebook
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2018/02/19 02:26:09
Subject: Charging characters in the assault phase
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Norn Queen
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it's cool. If GW wasn't such a train wreck at writing rules we wouldn't need to check 10 documents to confirm what the latest rules are.
I blame GW.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2018/02/19 03:23:25
Subject: Re:Charging characters in the assault phase
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Fresh-Faced New User
Red Bank, NJ
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Thanks all for the replies, turns out to be just as I thought, but I do happen to agree it’s terrible having to read the rule book, then the FAQs, then the chapter approved book just to determine a ruling. Somewhat exhausting.... haha, but in all seriousness thanks again, ill be sure to bring this thread up next time we meet.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/02/19 03:24:05
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