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What do you guys think of this?

I had been playing a Rey-Fenn-Rex list, which is quite punchy, but very predictable.

Then I stumbled on this:
Jess Pava (25)
R3-A2 (2)
Advanced Optics (2)
Integrated Astromech (0)

Captain Rex (14)

Lowhhrick (28)
Selflessness (1)
C-3PO (3)
Tactician (2)

Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Adaptability (0)
Jan Ors (2)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)

Total: 100

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You know the drill, shoot holes in it. I am not married to R3-A2, especially if it allows me to bump Fenn back up to PS11...

I was fully expecting this thread to be Rau/Lothal/Zeb so nice to see it isn't! I think Rau is much better placed at PS11 but it is an interesting list, a nice mix of control and token sharing. How do you think it will stand up to Nux3QD or similar alpha lists (the point of R3)?

The enemies targeting priority is pretty simple (kill Rau) which is why most people seem to marry him to hotshot copilot and whilst your list has some good damage mitigation I am not so sure about its ability to push damage through.

What I am mostly worried about with a Loyal Rebel/Rey in my list is the really low green dice for the points. A Nu swarm can melt an impressive amount of HP in a turn.

With this, I get four attack vectors but you are right, they don't have the "tonne of brick" punch that Rey can deliver. Like I said, I'm really open to suggestions.

The 3xNuQD list has not percolated in our meta. We're still somewhat in the grip of Nymranda so I am open to tactical advice on how to deal with both lists.

I have toyed with R2-F2 on Pava, to get her up to 3 rerollable green dice. Or R2-D6 to get her that evade token in a crunch. I mainly need to practice formation flying to keep getting actions and not bump constantly.

haven't really played much of late but aren't close-range synergy squads a bit vunerable to Harpoon splash shenanigans ?

Oh definitely. But for some reason, the local meta is still hung up on Cruise Missiles because a)some people refuse to play S&V and b)lure of the fifth dice.

I'm thinking I can have a wider open, select a target and then coordinate my moves to reach it and be temporarily at range 1 of my squad, and then split and reform later. I have a tendency to joust too early sometimes, and this would allow me to simmer down and bide my time a bit.

A version of the squad had Rey(crew) in it, and this approach would have allowed me to put money in the bank.

Otherwise, as I said previously, the go to build is Rey-Fenn-Rex:
Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Jan Ors (2)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)

Rey (45)
Expertise (4)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Finn (5)
Tactical Jammer (1)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Captain Rex (14)
Stealth Device (3)

Total: 100

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But you're right, I'll get eaten alive by multiple Harpoon missiles. Hopefully the first one kills the target? I don't know.

I could always rush into range 1 and sacrifice my synergies for a turn, honestly.

I like that list quite a lot more I would have to say. Have you looked at the Hotshot copilot/Rau combo? I would definitely go for that if possible (probably drop Jan and the SD add hotshot and a 1pt illicit,..).

I think this build will do better against all sorts of ordnance you are likely to come across with some careful playing of range bands and if you come up agaist the Ghost/Rau/Zeb list then expertise is a must as it lets you mod against Rau.

Why Rex in a bomb heavy meta? Never played with or against him is he to counter something specific?

He's just there to lower someone's attacks on something vital. I figure if you spend your shots or bombs on a TIE fighter, I'm ahead of you because Rey/Jess+Lowhie are going to be hitting you.

Now I have a weird question. Let's assume you are shooting at Fenn and he takes a stress to prevent you from using tokens. If he has a HotCoP... do you still spend the focus?

I presume not, Hotshot does specify if able and with Fenn its not able to.

So you have to be willing to take a fully modded shot in order to save your ability for someone else. Cray cray.

That's why the PS11 is so important, strip the enemy tokens on the attack at 11, really good against Nymranda alpha strike.

So the four ship list on top met Intensity Vader and 2 Nu's with Prockets and Harpoons, some title and Adv. SLAM. So I took my licks and went into Range 1, because I figured at least I wouldn't get Harpooned to death.

What worked for me was the bloat of points on each gunboat. Once one was down, it dragged him down.

Good to hear, even if your opponent did overload the Nu with upgrades

Had he been smart and gone for bare bones ships, (no prockets on Vader and only 'poons on his Nu's, he could have had an entire other ship. Now, I don't know about peeps, but an extra vector of attack sounds good to me.

I was able to wrangle three poor suckers... I mean nice people... from the local community to come play with me at my little setup at work. I'll get three more games against good lists tomorrow night. We have an impromptu tourney on Sunday... 7 extra games ought to tell me if there is hope for the list.

There's no particular ship choice here that is bad, but I'm not sold on the list as a whole. Rex is a lot less impressive without the Biggs combo, and it seems like once you get everything into formation your block of ships is very similar in play to the Ghost in a Fenn/Ghost list. But your Fenn isn't as effective as a control ship, and you don't have that terrifying damage output. I'm just not seeing much of a selling point over Fenn/Ghost.

This is my takeaway so far, unfortunately. I have had some insanely lucky dice so far, but I can't build a list around that. It's great at mitigating damage, but I plink away about a TLT's worth of damage every turn. Not great.

My saving grace seems to be that people insist on playing Ben Solo in his Silencer.

I'm thinking about letting Jan Ors sit on the Auzituck instead, retiring C-3P0 and putting Rey on Fenn's ship, and then give him VI with the free point.


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Alternatively, someone recommended the R3 astromech on Fenn, with the FAA or a generic R2 on Pava, to really turn Fenn into a defensive powerhouse. Although if you do that, you are further sacrificing your damage output.

Maybe R-2D6 on Pava with A Score to Settle?

I had Rey crew in my Ahsoka / Ghost list, being able to stash a focus or two early came in really handy so I'd imagine she'd be just as handy on Fenn as if you need to co-ordinate someone else you'll still have a focus

Yes, and when I need it, you know my green dice will come up blank.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yes, and when I need it, you know my green dice will come up blank.

yeah I've got some of them green dice too

So I've now played 5 more games with the list, losing hard only once to a Jake/Norra/Fenn list. In all four other games I lost one ship, either Rex or Jess or Lowie, (and then only once.

This is the version I've been playing for this latest round of tests:

Jess Pava (25)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)
Advanced Optics (2)
Integrated Astromech (0)

Captain Rex (14)

Lowhhrick (28)
Selflessness (1)
Jan Ors (2)
Tactician (2)

Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Rey (2)
R3 Astromech (2)

Total: 100

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Looks very good, nice synergy and offensive/defensive mods, what were the other lists you came up against? have you played against many ordnance alpha strikes?

OT, do you play in French or English?

We play in both languages, mixing French conversation with English game terms. We use English expansion packs because they are about 4$ cheaper.

After discussing it with a good player, he mentioned that I should sacrifice the R3 on Fenn for an FAA to really leverage his ability more often.

I played against a multiple Harpoons list and I was able to weather the salvo by spreading the damage around. He shot Rex which resulted in a single hit. He never triggered the condition. The second one was on Jess, but again the damage was mitigated by Selflessness, and the damage on the trigger was only to Jess.

I played against a weird HLC gunboat list which threw me off for a second, but I was able to corner Soontir and strip tokens with three range 1 attacks.


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We play in both languages, mixing French conversation with English game terms. We use English expansion packs because they are about 4$ cheaper.

After discussing it with a good player, he mentioned that I should sacrifice the R3 on Fenn for an FAA to really leverage his ability more often.

I played against a multiple Harpoons list and I was able to weather the salvo by spreading the damage around. He shot Rex which resulted in a single hit. He never triggered the condition. The second one was on Jess, but again the damage was mitigated by Selflessness, and the damage on the trigger was only to Jess.

I played against a weird HLC gunboat list which threw me off for a second, but I was able to corner Soontir and strip tokens with three range 1 attacks.

Is your prize support in English as well?

He is definitely right that FAA is better than R3, you use Rey to slow roll up the field and bank focus? Changing your mech gives an extra point doesn't it, are you going use that as a bid?

Its good to see that your list has been able to stand upto a variety of lists and I am surprised that it done so well against 'poons alpha, I would have expected that to be quite a hard counter.

It could be, if you have bad dice I suspect it is. But Jess rerolling her evade dice and benefiting from Lowie's token and EPT means not a lot of damage get through originally, and by then you get blocked, range 1 shots, stressed, then gunboats do go down is you focus on them.

Fenn and Rex are almost my main damage dealers at this point, because they set Jess up for a good unprotected shot in most cases.


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I did find out, as well, that Fenn is amazingly fun against Quickdraw. Sure, shoot four times. nuh huh, you're not using that fancy FCS to modify your dice.

So I made it to the top 8 with a version of this list. It was very intense. The list lacks serious firepower so you have to be really smart about your manoeuvres and actions.

I squared off against a Wulfwaroo/Jan Ors/Rex/Zeb (TIE) list, 100-0. His list was predicated on how many dice he could give Wulf and have full mods. Turns out it's seven. He hated the fact the Fenn shut down his game and he lost Wulf in two turns. The rest of the list was easy to mop up.

Then came a loss to the only guy who would go 6-0 in the Swiss rounds, with Sunny/2x Black Suns Aces and Palob. It was an intense match because he had two harpoons to throw my way, and it ended on a joust between Jess and Sunny. 82-100.

After that, Ghost Fenn. This guy brought his father to the peanut gallery. And he wasn't a teen or anything, like, fuill on adult. I quickly focused on Fenn to get him off the board, then regrouped away from the Ghost (rocks helped me clear the space) After an intense round of shooting, just as he throws his dice for his primary weapon, I politely ask him to give me a tally of his damage cards on the Ghost... he was at 10 after all! Won 82-14.

Second loss was against a good opponent, same list as last Regionals, a Contracted Scout/Genesis Red/Nym punch. His Bumpmaster worked beautifully, but it gave me nice, open shots on Genesis Red. In the end, we called it off as I clearly couldn't catch Nym with Lowhhrick, and his ion bombs would have given him clean autoblaster turret shots on me. Lost 54-67.

Fourth round was against a variation on Plot Armour. The player is a mainstay in the community, but he doesn't like losing, at all. It was intense, but he kept Poe too far from Dash, and I was eventually able to get two good turns of focused fire onto him. Dash was repeatedly shut down by Fenn, much to his chagrin. 100-14. This came with a 10 minutes rant about how ships shouldn't be able to mess with other ships as an innate ability.

Last round, I was on the bubble, ranked eleven, I could mathematically squeeze into the top 8 with a good enough score. It was a Vader/QD/Rho list, all with Harpoons. We were getting tired and he opened the match saying that "in a joust, a list always has an edge over the other one. We only ever truly know which one it was after the fact." He shot two harpoons at Jess, without avail. His last harpoon was shot at Fenn, and he got him down to two hull, but that was it. Vader fell on the third round, the Rho buggered off to Reload far away, I took my licks from QD and he killed himself by killing Fenn with a crit at range 1. Oh the irony. 100-24.

I ended up 7th.

The following morning, I went up against one of the best players in the province, and roundly lost to him. Lamba w/Palpatine, classic Inquisitor and QD without ordnance. 16-100. His inquisitor distracted me, and he had devilishly good evade rolls. He went on to win against a Nym Miranda list and another Ghost Fenn to win the tourney.

Nicely done! Its a good mix of lists you played against, would you change your list up at all if you were to carry on using it?

Good going Mr R

 ingtaer wrote:
Nicely done! Its a good mix of lists you played against, would you change your list up at all if you were to carry on using it?

If I were to keep plaing that style, not really. You get a max of utility from all the upgrades at the right time, as long as you can pull the wool over everyone's eyes as to who is the juiciest target.

That being said, I am done with it. It's a weird version of formation flying and it takes too long to pay off, too many things can go wrong.

I'm seriously pondering what off-beat list I can find that will scratch my itch. I've seen so many Ghost-Fenn and Nymranda at the tourney that I am definitely not willing to try those.

Maybe my Rey-Fenn-Rex from above. Chewbacca and Rage keep popping up in my mind.

Some new 'old' Han shenanigans !

There has to be some mileage in that ability

I was watching the Canadian Nationals today and someone mentionned using a ShadowCaster to Straight 5, then Burnout SLAM to basically end up in the opponent deployment zone, or block them and then be behind them the next turn.

It's probably not good. But the next event is in May and is billed as casual tourney for fluff bunnies (as well as having almost all prizes being drawn randomly), this could be fun.