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This is a lore question actually. Is there any alternate color paint schemes for the Guilliman model other than the box set of ultramarine blue? Would he wear a different color as lord of the Imperium? Would he ever lead successor chapters on missions and sport their colors (such as Nova Marines, Mortificators, etc)? Or is he always going to be in his big blue armor? I want to paint home something different but I want it to fit within the actual fluff. Any thoughts?

it would be unusal for him to do anything but blue but I COULD see him having his armor painted in the colours of a sucessor chapter (most likely a 2nd founding chapter) to honor them

Plus i always got the impression that it’s not guilliman who’s dressed like an ultramarine it’s the ultramarines that use guillimans colours and that the blue white and gold were macrag military coulors although I’ve had a look and can’t find any refrences so that might just me a personal head cannon

I would always imagine he would eventually repaint his armor to reflect his Lord Commander status, but nothing in the fluff supports this. I don't want to paint the blue either.

I guess my question is, if i painted him up like a successor chapter and then ran them as ultramarines on the table when i use him, would the fluff people complain? I'd like to run my own chapter at times, but I also want to run them as Ultramarines with Guilliman and at least make it not totally lore breaking, because that does matter at least a bit to me.

I can imagine a Lord Commander being white with gold trim... that would look good.

I suppose you can paint him whatever colour you want and say he's an Ultramarine. Not everyone's armies have the ultramarines have the same shade of blue! I imagine the colours have changed over the past 30 years and if people use non citadel paints too that will have an effect.

As far as fluff is concerned, his current blue is in complete contradiction to the law: he should be wearing a rusted old set of army... Also he should be dead and buried in the ground.

Just paint him whatever colour and make up the excuse that an, until now unheard of, fashion designer had been working secretly for 10k years to re-design Girlyman's armour.

TarkinLarson wrote:
I can imagine a Lord Commander being white with gold trim... that would look good.

I suppose you can paint him whatever colour you want and say he's an Ultramarine. Not everyone's armies have the ultramarines have the same shade of blue! I imagine the colours have changed over the past 30 years and if people use non citadel paints too that will have an effect.

Or gold with white: https://i.redd.it/jo81zvektmhz.jpg

That looks like something the lord commander of the imperium would wear.

I kinda imagine his armour remaining the same, but with one small change.

On one shoulder plate, he would bear the sign and colours of the Ultramarines.

On the other, he would bear a sigil of office (of some kind) along with alternative colours to represent it.

keep in mind in addition to being lord commander he's also chaptermaster of the ultramarines. so he IS still an Ultramarine

BrianDavion wrote:
keep in mind in addition to being lord commander he's also chaptermaster of the ultramarines. so he IS still an Ultramarine

Poor Calgar, he's out of a job.

 mrhappyface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
keep in mind in addition to being lord commander he's also chaptermaster of the ultramarines. so he IS still an Ultramarine

Poor Calgar, he's out of a job.

Calgar basicly serves as "Regent" cause Gulliman can't spare the time for the nitty gritties of running the show. Gullimans leadership of the UMs themselves I see almost as being more ceremonial

Im focusing on the "Lord Commander" aspect of Guilliman, and am painting mine in primarily Gold, if he's running the Imperium he's gotta adopt his "dad's" gold fetish.

Im keeping the Ultima Shoulder and Knee in Blue, a Deathwatch touch to things in that manner.

I'd think gold or white as a main colour with the other as an accent would be nice and Head Honcho-like. Alternatively a Black and gold scheme, as played out and "edgy" as it is would work for me. Either he's donning black to mourn the loss of Troops that have required him to take to the battlefield or he's sponsored by a chocolate company this week.

I am debating black, but I am wondering if it would be too dark and flat looking.

I have seen painted in all kind of colours, and people normally say that his fluff is, he just changes the colour of his armour to fight with the successors of the Ultramarines

Any of the codex approved camouflage colours would be appropriate: Here are some howling griffons in their Codex Approved Night World Battle Livery.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Howling_Griffons

If the codex approves it, it must be cool with Guiliman!

Yeah, I am guessing the most fluffy alternative is to pick a successor chapter color scheme. That way when you play without him, they are whatever chapter. And then whey you play with him, he is wearing ultramarine successor chapter colors.

Rajah wrote:
I guess my question is, if i painted him up like a successor chapter and then ran them as ultramarines on the table when i use him, would the fluff people complain? I'd like to run my own chapter at times, but I also want to run them as Ultramarines with Guilliman and at least make it not totally lore breaking, because that does matter at least a bit to me.

People who would complain about that are not really people worth having around. So, don't care about them, it's your mini, paint it however you want.

Speaking of fluff, besides Ultra blue most likely would be black (for mourning), then gold (seeing lord commanders traditionally have gold armour, though Rob is far less vain than say Dorn so it's just third option), then colors of successors, etc.

Plus i always got the impression that it’s not guilliman who’s dressed like an ultramarine it’s the ultramarines that use guillimans colours and that the blue white and gold were macrag military coulors although I’ve had a look and can’t find any refrences so that might just me a personal head cannon

IIRC according to Forge World both white/blue and name 'Ultramarines' are sea themed - 'ultra mar' meaning 'beyond the sea' (of stars) and it's reflection of Emperor's wish to travel to the edges of and unite 'the sea of stars' (Milky Way galaxy and by extension humanity) under one banner.

Guilliman would always wear his colours as IIRC the Primarch's are the ones that decided upon the legion colours, and the founding chaptor is just the part of the legion that got to call it's self by the old name. Also the fluff has had ultramine sucessor chaptors taking the place of the ultramarines at various points when they should have had some legion obligation to honour, and they have historically been very friendly between founding and sucessor chaptors heck one piece of fluff had mixed ultramarine and sucessor chaptor armed honour guard in the chamber he was in stasis in there is no reason that they wouldn't fight under their Primarch.

Ice_can wrote:
Guilliman would always wear his colours as IIRC the Primarch's are the ones that decided upon the legion colours, and the founding chaptor is just the part of the legion that got to call it's self by the old name. Also the fluff has had ultramine sucessor chaptors taking the place of the ultramarines at various points when they should have had some legion obligation to honour, and they have historically been very friendly between founding and sucessor chaptors heck one piece of fluff had mixed ultramarine and sucessor chaptor armed honour guard in the chamber he was in stasis in there is no reason that they wouldn't fight under their Primarch.

So basically, have Guilliman in his blue with novamarines in their gray and blue and play them as Ultramarines with the fluff being that "Guilliman is leading the novamarines in this battle".

Rajah wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Guilliman would always wear his colours as IIRC the Primarch's are the ones that decided upon the legion colours, and the founding chaptor is just the part of the legion that got to call it's self by the old name. Also the fluff has had ultramine sucessor chaptors taking the place of the ultramarines at various points when they should have had some legion obligation to honour, and they have historically been very friendly between founding and sucessor chaptors heck one piece of fluff had mixed ultramarine and sucessor chaptor armed honour guard in the chamber he was in stasis in there is no reason that they wouldn't fight under their Primarch.

So basically, have Guilliman in his blue with novamarines in their gray and blue and play them as Ultramarines with the fluff being that "Guilliman is leading the novamarines in this battle".

pretty much yeah, unless you're trying to use some FW nova marine character no one's gonna care

In the age of keywords granting the special rules, and nearly every other faction "borrowing" the best regiment/hive fleet/craftworld traits regardless of a color scheme, Marines shouldn't be an issue. List what they are. I always liked counts as armies over proxies.

Maybe add more gold heraldry to overpower the blue undertones? Just to emphasize his role as basically the acting emperor.