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The last couple of waves have really got me thinking about getting into Imps again using the Silencer and missileboat, thinking of something like this;
Major Vynder (26)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Long-Range Scanners (0)
Os-1 Arsenal Loadout (2)

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)

Total: 78

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Leaves 22 pts for something else, have only fooled around with it so far but what does everyone else think? Experiences with the Silencer? Regionals should be in a couple of months so have a window for trying things out.

The problem with that combo is that 22 points is in the awkward spot where it's too much for a TIE fighter blocker, but not enough to get you a real ship. Kylo just doesn't play well with other aces (unless you take that ridiculous list with Kylo + Soontir + massive bid).

Also, Vynder really wants advanced SLAM. You're going to SLAM almost every turn to take advantage of her pilot ability, so a free action every turn is worth way more than LRS.

What do you reckon of kylo and Rhos? I really like the idea of the Silencer but I struggle to see how it fits, for the points it just makes me think of defenders.

Having faced it, Kylo & Rhos is a strong list.
The general consensus around here is if you can fly the Silencer well, and get a least 3 homing harpoon missiles off between your Rhos you've typically already won barring atrocious dice.

Why homers and not 'poons?

Was thinking something like;

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)

Rho Squadron Veteran (21)
Deadeye (1)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Long-Range Scanners (0)

Rho Squadron Veteran (21)
Deadeye (1)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Long-Range Scanners (0)

Total: 97

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Or maybe;

Nu Squadron Pilot (18)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Long-Range Scanners (0)

Major Vynder (26)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Advanced SLAM (2)
Os-1 Arsenal Loadout (2)

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Advanced Optics (2)

Total: 100

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Though is more from a desire to cram the Major into a list I think.

Whoops, I actually did mean Harpoons.
That's a brain fart an a half .

I prefer the first list tbh. It's tried and true, though the 2nd one is intriguing.

 ingtaer wrote:
Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Advanced Optics (2)

No autothrusters? Don't even consider this list.

Yeah, 'thrusters are necessary, especially on a ship that doesn't have the evade action.

If you had HAD to cut Kylo down by a few points from the full blown 47pt build, what would you drop - the title, or Advanced Optics?

 tomjoad wrote:
If you had HAD to cut Kylo down by a few points from the full blown 47pt build, what would you drop - the title, or Advanced Optics?

At that point I just wouldn't use Kylo, I would pick another ship to slot in that is cheap enough with all of it's necessary upgrades that wouldn't end up as dead weight.

 tomjoad wrote:
If you had HAD to cut Kylo down by a few points from the full blown 47pt build, what would you drop - the title, or Advanced Optics?

drop the title, the re-roll and inevitable betrayal by blank greens insurance is handy, I think being able to bank a focus is stronger

Been wracking my brains on this and have come to the conclusion that the Silencer is massively over costed for what it does. Every list I have built with it so far I have ended up thinking that either a defender or quickdraw is just plain better (and cheaper) and comparing it with Scum it just cant compete.

So has anyone got any thoughts on the generics? Or is the Silencer destined to sit on a shelf?

 ingtaer wrote:
Been wracking my brains on this and have come to the conclusion that the Silencer is massively over costed for what it does. Every list I have built with it so far I have ended up thinking that either a defender or quickdraw is just plain better (and cheaper) and comparing it with Scum it just cant compete.

So has anyone got any thoughts on the generics? Or is the Silencer destined to sit on a shelf?

Not sure the generics compare well to say a VI Glaive / Countess, the slight point reduction and better dial get trumped by the X/2 title,

 ingtaer wrote:
So has anyone got any thoughts on the generics? Or is the Silencer destined to sit on a shelf?

Generics are trash. Kylo is great. Kylo would arguably be even better if he cost ~10-20 more points, because point fortressing is still a viable strategy.

Gonna have to give him a go then, to Vassal! Will start with gunboats and kylo and see how we go, it will take a while as I have flown nothing but Scum for two years now.



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Which begs the question actually, how do you points fortress a ship with six health and no evade in a TLT and bomb meta?

 ingtaer wrote:
Which begs the question actually, how do you points fortress a ship with six health and no evade in a TLT and bomb meta?

You stay outside range 3. It's very difficult to run down Kylo and force him to fight, and even when you do getting damage through is far from guaranteed. You need multiple turns of shooting to have any real chance of killing him, and how many turns do you think you'll get if each shooting turn is preceded by several turns of running around trying to get a shot?

(Now, obviously you can't fight 100 points with Kylo alone, but if the rest of your list can do some damage it's very common to get into an endgame situation where there isn't enough time to finish off Kylo before the round ends.)

I think we have very different ways of playing this game, so I will leave that comment with this;

Hopefully getting in some games tomorrow to try out the lists, the competitor at the moment is;
Captain Nym (Scum) (30)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Extra Munitions (2)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Trajectory Simulator (1)
Guidance Chips (0)
Havoc (0)

Captain Jostero (24)
A Score to Settle (0)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Scavenger Crane (2)
Guidance Chips (0)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Vaksai (0)

Cartel Executioner (24)
Adaptability (0)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 100

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I'll have to give Peregrine's advice some consideration. All the Ben Solo I've seen have been used as jousters. To predictable results.

Which makes me wonder how one can spend 40+pts on a ship and then just try to keep it out of the game. Not only would that be boring as hell but I know that I couldn't make it work, boards only so big and with the double tapping fully modded, boosting at PS11 TLT Ghost so prevalent that seems to be asking for trouble.

I would rather spend those points on something that will actually be useful during the game and not just a points/MOV caddy, but each to their own if that floats Peri's boat then more power to him!

You got any opinion on my Scum list Mathieu?

With Advanced Sensors, Boost, Barrel Roll and PtL the Silencer is extremely manoeuvrable, especially with the greenest dial in the galaxy.

5 green forward even!
I should be playing later this evening so am going to give the list a go. Will see how many rounds I can play keep away for.

 ingtaer wrote:
Hopefully getting in some games tomorrow to try out the lists, the competitor at the moment is;
Captain Nym (Scum) (30)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Extra Munitions (2)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Trajectory Simulator (1)
Guidance Chips (0)
Havoc (0)

Captain Jostero (24)
A Score to Settle (0)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Scavenger Crane (2)
Guidance Chips (0)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Vaksai (0)

Cartel Executioner (24)
Adaptability (0)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 100

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Nym is my man. Every week I do not play him I am being self-violent. But it pleases my friend to no end to fight anything else so... I'm wondering if you are not better served by an Accuracy Corrector on him though. The bomblets could become an afterthought and it would allow you more manoeuvres. Funnily enough, our meta still loves piling on Genius and the TS on Nym, for maximum unpredictability.EM gives you that one free bomb after you moved.

I'm not sold on Jostero, to be honest. On paper, his ability offers the type of double-tap that the game seems to favour lately, but the skill required to pull it off seems to be lacking in my meta. I think you need to feel confident enough to keep your foot on the break to keep his arc open as much as possible, and people tend to want to get in close. His play style is very un-Khiraxz. And at the very least, add in a Munitions Failsafe for free. The longer you have to wait to use your crane the best.

I'm no expert on the Kimogila. I don't like the look of the ship. But it has Reload... I think I'd strip Jostero of the Crane and VT to add the title and and Unhinged on it, though. Did you put Adaptability on for a particular reason? I'm not sure PS6 or 4 are that hot, so maybe Trick Shot or switching A Score to Settle to him might be better? At PS4, Jostero could use Deadeye.

Nym rocks! The idea behind this build is that he gets to keep inside the AOE of the bombs with a fair chance of causing un-dodgeable damage with both bombs and ABT (the bomb maybe triggering Jostero), the idea being that whole sections of the board can either become a no go zone for the enemy for fear of damage or they have to eat what damage is given to them.

Jostero I am still playing around with, MF will probably be added as free is good! Score to Settle on him is more to force through the crit as well as trying to force the enemy to split their fire between all three ships as they have to be relevant targets, of course it would be ideal to get the double tap with the 'poon and his normal shot...

No reason for adaptability on the Kimoglia beyond it was free, thinking of switching out to a deadeye/LRS combo. I really have struggled with this ship. I want to like it (I really wanted to like the PS8 pilot) but I am yet to make it work for me properly, not sure if it is lack of practice or just that it really does suck! But reload is so good. Not sold on the idea of the unhinged on him, think sniping from the back is a better tactic than charging forward full tilt as eight damage behind one green disappears real quick. Title is definitely a good idea in a large base meta though.

Yes. Locally, it's all about the small bases so we have all been struggling to see a use for the bullseye arc.

Speaking of French, I think the VTTV live guys want a French track on the upcoming regionals in Montreal. I'll let you know if it happens, and if I get snared into doing it.

 ingtaer wrote:
Which makes me wonder how one can spend 40+pts on a ship and then just try to keep it out of the game.

You don't keep it out for the entire game. You choose your moment to engage, do some damage, and then run away before they can finish off the point fortress. Doing 2-3 damage to Kylo means you still have a 50 point fortress alive, and a half-HP Kylo is still going to be able to stall for a lot of minutes. And sometimes you don't point fortress at all, you play Kylo as a PS 9 endgame god and 100-0 your opponent. It's the flexibility to choose between the two modes as the situation dictates that makes Kylo really powerful.

Got in four games last night two with each list. Cant say as I am really sold on either. With the Imps played against Dash/Miranda and the new Ghost hotness and got splatted both times. The new ghost is a beast against both alpha strikes and aces with the token stripping from Rau and the four TLT shots.

Scum I felt a lot more comfortable with the bombing largely done its job of forcing the enemy into lanes or braving the damage, the game I kept my ships together they performed excellently (100-0) when they got separated it went the other way (22-100), the take away from these games was that yes the captain really is a pain to fly well and dies if you look at him funny and the Kimoglia I still cant work out.

Needs more playing but I think that the captain is going to have to go.


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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yes. Locally, it's all about the small bases so we have all been struggling to see a use for the bullseye arc.

Speaking of French, I think the VTTV live guys want a French track on the upcoming regionals in Montreal. I'll let you know if it happens, and if I get snared into doing it.

Please do.

Bit of a sidetrack but what's the new Ghost list with Fenn ?

Lothal Rebel, TLT, Maul, Ezra, Title, other sundries. Some people like a Sensor Jammer, some like Engine upgrade, some squeeze in both, there is a case to be made for that.

Zeb in Assault Shuttle, title, Chopper.

Fenn, VI, HSCP, droid of your choice, though I really think FAA is best to keep your arc active.

If an opponent can't modify dice and gets hits downgraded to eyeballs, the Lothal Rebel can be a pain to deal with. Especially if Fenn can coordinate it into position with a Boost so it can reel in a primary shot and then a TLT shot...

Looks like a lark and not a million miles from my prior Ghost / Ahsoka lists, cheers Mr R