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I remember Blackstone Fortresses being of “unknown origins”, but it seems with the advent of Forgebane that Blackstone is now Canon as Necron material. But is it Living Metal?

Based on the new Regimental Standard it looks like it is:
https://regimental-standard.com/2018/03/07/adeptus-mechanicus-announce-exciting-geological-discovery/

Monoliths were referred to in the codex as made of Living Metal but now they are being said to contain Blackstone. Which either means that there is a retcon or that they are one and the same. Thoughts?

How do you feel about Blackstone Fortresses being Necron vehicles? How do you feel about Necrons being made of Anti-Chaos pylon materials?

I thought those things were made by the forces warring against the Necrons and we're designed to kill their pokemon. ..I mean Ctan. Didn't know they were Necrons tech themselves. I confuse these things with another super weapon?

 ProwlerPC wrote:
I thought those things were made by the forces warring against the Necrons and we're designed to kill their pokemon. ..I mean Ctan. Didn't know they were Necrons tech themselves. I confuse these things with another super weapon?

Nope, you thought right. Blackstone Fortresses use the warp, which makes them unlikely to be necron weapons.
It could be that the Eldar / Old Ones got a hold of some Blackstone from the necrons (as in, they stole it. Just because humans can't steal necron tech doesn't mean the Old Ones can't) and used its anti-warp abilities to safely house a warp based weapon, so the weapons platform doesn't tear itself apart from its own firepower. It is opening a massive rift to hell, after all.
At least, that's my theory. Its probably something stupid.

Heh yeah. Some things are probably best left undetailed. As HP Lovecraft knew about the Necronomicon, any honest attempt to describe such things will fall flat and dissapoint expectations.

So are they literally setting up the story so that Cawl must construct aditional pylons?

Are we really doing this GW?

Well played. Well played.

 Togusa wrote:
So are they literally setting up the story so that Cawl must construct aditional pylons?

Are we really doing this GW?

Well played. Well played.

Can't wait when Cawl needs to steal more gas from the tyranids.

I'd actually like to know the answer to this.
It is entirely possible the Old Ones had some kind of nanotech, similar to Necrodermis but not exactly the same. But to lesser races, they to would appear to be the same exact thing.

Like any sufficiently advanced tech is magic.

I wonder why the fortresses didn't passively repress the warp the way those pylons did if it's the same material let alone how it can harvest and project weaponized warp. Not like Cadia was entirely made of black stone (I think) so those pylons, which represent a significantly smaller mass then the planet itself and maybe even those black fortresses, had enough of an effect on the warp emanating from the Anus of Terror, that it created a stable highway.

Could be the blackstone was used as a resistor for the warp energy in the black stone fortresses, to keep warp energy from going to ground as it were. Use the eye in the heart of the BSF to gather warp energy, rely on the blackstone to keep it contained, then open a channel for the energy directed at whatever you choose. Might be too simplistic though, but blackstone is one of the few things that can stop warp energy.

If there was theft going on regarding blackstone, I'm quite sure it was necrons stealing it from the old ones, and if the necrons are willing to attack the IoM to get it back they might not be able to make more.

Originally the Blackstone Fortresses were made by the Eldar (or at least in the legends by Vaul, their Smith God) to slay the Void Dragon (most powerful of the C'tan) by sending the binary stars he was feeding off supernova. Using them the way Abaddon did to trash cities and planets is rather like using a claymore to open letters.

Mind you the fluff also had Eldrad getting his soul sucked out by Slaanesh when he tried to take back control of one of the Blackstones at Cadia. That has long since been retconned so maybe this will too.

Or maybe both the Eldar and the Necrons have used the stuff for different purposes, one to amplify warp powers, the other to suppress them. We know the Necrons managed to force their way into the Webway using purely technological means to construct Dolmen Gates, maybe this is some sort of tech that falls into the same category.

 Grimgold wrote:
Could be the blackstone was used as a resistor for the warp energy in the black stone fortresses, to keep warp energy from going to ground as it were. Use the eye in the heart of the BSF to gather warp energy, rely on the blackstone to keep it contained, then open a channel for the energy directed at whatever you choose. Might be too simplistic though, but blackstone is one of the few things that can stop warp energy.

If there was theft going on regarding blackstone, I'm quite sure it was necrons stealing it from the old ones, and if the necrons are willing to attack the IoM to get it back they might not be able to make more.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Or it could be xenos tech older than both the necrontyr and the old ones. Who is to say? Are all galaxies like ours? Or does the warp only exist here?

 Togusa wrote:
So are they literally setting up the story so that Cawl must construct aditional pylons?

Are we really doing this GW?

Well played. Well played.

You win five internets. Great work.

 Karhedron wrote:
Originally the Blackstone Fortresses were made by the Eldar (or at least in the legends by Vaul, their Smith God) to slay the Void Dragon (most powerful of the C'tan) by sending the binary stars he was feeding off supernova. Using them the way Abaddon did to trash cities and planets is rather like using a claymore to open letters.

Mind you the fluff also had Eldrad getting his soul sucked out by Slaanesh when he tried to take back control of one of the Blackstones at Cadia. That has long since been retconned so maybe this will too.

Or maybe both the Eldar and the Necrons have used the stuff for different purposes, one to amplify warp powers, the other to suppress them. We know the Necrons managed to force their way into the Webway using purely technological means to construct Dolmen Gates, maybe this is some sort of tech that falls into the same category.

Yeah, all that is what I thought, too? I thought they were "Talismans of Vaul"???

I'm fairly certain when they described blackstone on the forgebane release post on warhammer community they said it could block the warp or buff it to an obscene scale, maybe it's used as an amplifier AND a resistor to make sure the warp goes where they want it to go in large enough strength.