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I'm looking for some advice to improve my list...I'm not really confident about scions and their relative tempestor prime...maybe better another tank commander and astropath (to get the 3th elite choices)

SUPREME COMMAND DETACHMENT (CADIAN) +1CP
TANK COMMANDER PASK 221 Punisher Gatling Cannon 20 - 3x Heavy Bolter 24 (HQ)
TANK COMMANDER 209 Battle Cannon 22 – Lascannon 20 (HQ)
TANK COMMANDER 209 Battle Cannon 22 – Lascannon 20 (HQ)
SHADOWSWORD 540 Volcano Cannon - Adamantium Tracks - 4x Lascannon 80 - 5x Twin Heavy Bolter 70 (LORD OF WAR)

BRIGADE DETACHMENT (CADIAN) +9 CP
COMPANY COMMANDER 30 Grand Strategist - Kurov’s Aquila (HQ general)
TEMPESTOR PRIME 40
TEMPESTOR PRIME 40
4 MILITARUM TEMPESTUS COMMAND SQUAD 88 4x Plasma Gun 52 (ELITE)
4 MILITARUM TEMPESTUS COMMAND SQUAD 88 4x Plasma Gun 52 (ELITE)
ASTROPATH 30 Smite - Psychic Barrier (ELITE)
ASTROPATH 30 Smite – Nightshroud (ELITE)
10x INFANTRY SQUAD 40 (TROOP)
10x INFANTRY SQUAD 40 (TROOP)
10x INFANTRY SQUAD 40 (TROOP)
10x INFANTRY SQUAD 40 (TROOP)
10x INFANTRY SQUAD 40 (TROOP)
10x INFANTRY SQUAD 40 (TROOP)
1x SCOUT SENTINEL 45 Multilaser 10 (FAST ATTACK)
1x SCOUT SENTINEL 45 Multilaser 10 (FAST ATTACK)
1x SCOUT SENTINEL 45 Multilaser 10 (FAST ATTACK)
3x HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD 33 3x Mortar 15 (HEAVY SUPPORT)
3x HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD 33 3x Mortar 15 (HEAVY SUPPORT)
3x HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD 33 3x Mortar 15 (HEAVY SUPPORT)

TOT: 1999 CP: 13

The scions are pretty good, especially with all that plasma.

Looks fun to me.


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3 Detachment Guard
Astra Militarum

Company Commander 30

Company Commander 30

10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; 9 Guardsmen 40

10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; 9 Guardsmen 40

10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; 9 Guardsmen 40

10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; 9 Guardsmen 40

5 Ratlings 45

5 Ratlings 45

5 Ratlings 45

Scout Sentinel: autocannon 47

Scout Sentinel: autocannon 47

Scout Sentinel 45

Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × lascannon 78

Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × lascannon 78

Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × lascannon 78

Allied Astra Militarum
Tempestor Prime: Tempestus command rod 45

Tempestor Prime: Tempestus command rod 45

5 Tempestus Scions: Tempestor; 4 Tempestus Scions; 2 × plasma gun 74

5 Tempestus Scions: Tempestor; 4 Tempestus Scions; 2 × plasma gun 74

5 Tempestus Scions: Tempestor; 4 Tempestus Scions; 2 × plasma gun 74

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad: 4 × plasma gun 88

Detachments

Allied Astra Militarum
Tank Commander: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters 225

Leman Russ Battle Tank: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters 180

Leman Russ Battle Tank: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters 180

Manticore 143

Manticore 143

1,999 points


I ran this recently. Feels similar. (I know this list isn’t optimized as far as it need another hero in the large detachment...) it was tweaked to play a friend and we were just goofing off. Also it’s point values aren’t all corrected for chapter approved... ...)

I think you're right about the scions. They're suicide units ultimately and you want to be confident you can get their points worth. When you could have 2 command squads to one prime it was ok, but now it's 1 to 1 it's more borderline. For them to kill 130 points worth in a turn is a big ask of 8 plasma shots. Scions can still work, but they're better in their own detachment where they can also get their doctrine. With stormtroopers and take aim you can often get 10 plasma shots out of those 4 guys.

I'm also wary of stacking too much on one thing. So I'd drop the sponsons on the shadowsword. At 2k some could still drop it in a turn. It's main gun can already kill a vehicle a turn, so usually the other weapons will shoot other things. So might as well put those weapons on something else to diversify, they up it's cost, but not it's durability. You could nearly get a leman Russ executioner for the sponsons cost. You can get consistent good shots with cadian executioners under cadian orders and if stationary. Dont be concerned about overheating. And only 150 pts....

Dropping the sponsons and scions you could get 2 executioners. Giving you more plasma than the scions that'll certainly last more than a turn and a lot of armour for the enemy to get through. You've already got anti tank covered. The shadowsword hits the big beasts, and the battle tanks and executioners can easily make short work of anything T7 between them. With the 2 commanders and astropaths to replace the scions that'd be about 2k I think

I run full equipped shadowsword couse he can kill infantry (5 twin heavy bolter) and tank/beast (vulcano cannon and 4 laser)
with psichic power it gets -1 to hit and +1 save...but yes maybe drop some points is worth it for 2 more leman russ...exutioner is good but now there are a lot of -1/-2 to hit so you can easy take mortal wond from plasma...and tallarn for maxing their utility is too expensive in term of cp

I don't disagree it cant do alot, but for things like psychic powers you have to have a turn to put them up first. And there's a good chance you'll go second. If people you play with tend to use shrouded units and the like, then you can just take a regular battle tank than an executioner.