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They seem pretty successful with 5 of the top 16. Is it meta, format, or something else?

Flyrants, Mawlocs, and Mucolid Spores seem to be the most common units.

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html
   
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The missions help as does the terrain (Adepticon tends to be pretty light without a ton of LoS blocking).
   
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta






It's about time! Been waiting for the competitive Nid players to start flexing their competitive muscle.
   
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Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.
   
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Clousseau





East Bay, Ca, US

Flyrant spam has been strong, but it's dependent on the missions and the setup. These lists aren't new. These are the same lists that couldn't crack the top 50 at LVO.

Except maybe the guy who is running 5 tyrants and a ton of imperial guard. That list grosses me out in so many ways.

 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Not very surprising, I don't think. Hive Tyrants are obviously overpowered, they're fairly resilient to things like Dark Reapers and Blood Angels Captains, and they have excellent tools for shutting down psychic powers.
   
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East Bay, Ca, US

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.


People are playing it less because of the impending nerf. Literally all of the Eldar players I know have been practicing with the Reaper nerf in mind.

 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
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Nids can be played in so many ways competitively. The ability to deep strike 3+ flyrants and bring along support with a trygon is really dominant in my group. The only army I have trouble with is eldar with shining spears and reapers.

Mawlocs are crap though. Not sure why anyone would bring one. Probably for objective grabbing or something (because they can deep strike right next to an enemy unit). Things that i never really play for. I table armies in 3-4 turns with nids. Probably would run out of time in a tournament and lose on points though. Which is why tournaments are a really bad indicator of army power level.

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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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People think the Eldar codex is strong; but it's not really that oppressive - it's just that Dark Reapers are a problem, and people translate that 1 unit = entire codex.

Same thing's happening with Orks; 1 decent unit (Boyz) = entire codex is fine.
   
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East Bay, Ca, US

It's easy to make that case for a lot of armies. The good unit in the Tyranid codex is the Flyrant. What are these lists without flyrant spam? Is the tyranid codex fine?

I hope highlander becomes a thing. I'd love to play in highlander tournaments, if only they would gain popularity.

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 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
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 Marmatag wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.


People are playing it less because of the impending nerf. Literally all of the Eldar players I know have been practicing with the Reaper nerf in mind.

I imagine a lot of people chose their list knowing that there was a risk GW would dump the FAQ on them before the tournament; it was only this last week they confirmed on Facebook that they would be waiting.
   
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 Marmatag wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.


People are playing it less because of the impending nerf. Literally all of the Eldar players I know have been practicing with the Reaper nerf in mind.


I didn't realize there was a decided on nerf yet, what is it?

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 Insectum7 wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.


People are playing it less because of the impending nerf. Literally all of the Eldar players I know have been practicing with the Reaper nerf in mind.


I didn't realize there was a decided on nerf yet, what is it?


None known yet, but people bet on the FAQ coming out before the tourney.
   
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We should findout next week I believe was last roumer, its mostly speculation so far. However reapers are so busted even eldar players are calling for nerfs, which will probably hurt eldar tournament placing, buy also given that GW have introduced the first hard limit to units in the tau dex some are expecting the faq to be the wider rollout of this rule. Which given the amount of flyrents that might be justified.

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Vigo. Spain.

People have allready stoped buying Dark Reapers on ebay for inflated prices. Everyone is quiet, waiting for the nerf to arrive.

If it doesn't, the prices of Dark Reapers on ebay will explode even more.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Insectum7 wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.


People are playing it less because of the impending nerf. Literally all of the Eldar players I know have been practicing with the Reaper nerf in mind.


I didn't realize there was a decided on nerf yet, what is it?

Most likely MRC no longer being free. They really shouldn't be free because they are better than the option that costs 20 points. However - i don't expect it will change much.

If you really wanted to nerf the tyrant you would remove it's ability to deep strike (This is really why it's taken anyways). I'll still take 3 of them at +20 points each. NP.

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Ice_can wrote:
We should findout next week I believe was last roumer, its mostly speculation so far. However reapers are so busted even eldar players are calling for nerfs, which will probably hurt eldar tournament placing, buy also given that GW have introduced the first hard limit to units in the tau dex some are expecting the faq to be the wider rollout of this rule. Which given the amount of flyrents that might be justified.


They stated at AdeptiCon the FAQ is finished and will be presented after AdeptiCon so its either this Sunday (highly unlikely) or next.
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.


People are playing it less because of the impending nerf. Literally all of the Eldar players I know have been practicing with the Reaper nerf in mind.


I didn't realize there was a decided on nerf yet, what is it?


None known yet, but people bet on the FAQ coming out before the tourney.

Unlikely the case - once lists are submitted they would be immune from the changes in CA otherwise every list would be invalid.

Otherwise they could just bring 2 list and if reapers wernt nerfed they could just bring their busted reapers still.

If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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 Xenomancers wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.


People are playing it less because of the impending nerf. Literally all of the Eldar players I know have been practicing with the Reaper nerf in mind.


I didn't realize there was a decided on nerf yet, what is it?


None known yet, but people bet on the FAQ coming out before the tourney.

Unlikely the case - once lists are submitted they would be immune from the changes in CA otherwise every list would be invalid.

Otherwise they could just bring 2 list and if reapers wernt nerfed they could just bring their busted reapers still.


Actually this isn't the case. Lists are legal per content published before a specific cut-off. AdeptiCon's cut off was the first weekend of March so people would have known if the FAQ was being used before submitting lists. I think the main reason you didn't see them is the ACon missions don't favor them as heavily and that people were expecting them to be counter built in the meta.
   
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 Insectum7 wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Wow, and only one Eldar. Maybe that'll tone down some of the salt...

Or not. It IS the internet, after all.


People are playing it less because of the impending nerf. Literally all of the Eldar players I know have been practicing with the Reaper nerf in mind.


I didn't realize there was a decided on nerf yet, what is it?


there isn't, but many of these players expected it to drop after list deadline but before the event.
   
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East Bay, Ca, US

Hive Tyrants would be better served with the commander treatment rather than a nerf. It's the same overall effect but doesn't punish people who were playing Tyranids in a more balanced manner to begin with.

And if MRC are 20 points, everyone will just take MST, d6 damage is a no brainer.

You'll notice most of these people weren't even using claws anyway. They were using 2x Twin Devs, for 24 shots. Because even fully degraded a tyrant still hits on 4s in shooting.

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 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
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 Marmatag wrote:
Hive Tyrants would be better served with the commander treatment rather than a nerf. It's the same overall effect but doesn't punish people who were playing Tyranids in a more balanced manner to begin with.

And if MRC are 20 points, everyone will just take MST, d6 damage is a no brainer.


I agree with this - a limit of 1 per detachment would be a fine limit on HTs. They're still strong and a viable a unit, the game just doesn't handle 7 of them at a time well.
   
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Vigo. Spain.

I'm sure we are gonna see a generalised commander nerf in the FAQ. Hive Tyrants, Daemon Princes, etc...

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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I saw a few people suggesting that nids would step up when the eldar were nerfed after the last tournament. Props to them for picking the right horse, if not the right time.

They are going to want to beware getting 'tau commandered' at this rate.
   
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Damn that 8 dark talon list.

Stacking minus penalties to hit better be on GWs radar by now. That list looks like no fun to play against. Orcs can't even shoot it.

I'll be disappointed if the following units don't get some sort of adjustment in the FAQ:
Reapers
Shining spears
Guardsmen
Flyrants
Hive Guard (that shoot twice strat is bonkers)
Dark Talons
Cultist (if IG infantry squads are a problem these are too)
Fire Raptors
mortar squads
grad strat + aquila
   
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East Bay, Ca, US

 Farseer_V2 wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
Hive Tyrants would be better served with the commander treatment rather than a nerf. It's the same overall effect but doesn't punish people who were playing Tyranids in a more balanced manner to begin with.

And if MRC are 20 points, everyone will just take MST, d6 damage is a no brainer.


I agree with this - a limit of 1 per detachment would be a fine limit on HTs. They're still strong and a viable a unit, the game just doesn't handle 7 of them at a time well.


Totally agree. I don't think GW playtests with 7+ of any unit, regardless of role, on the table.

In truth they should consider adjusting the rules so that things are more in line with how they play test. If they have this silent intended use case, just make it RAW. We all want a balanced game. As a Tyranid player I would be fine with a "rule of 1" for repeated HQs. Any duplicate HQ must come in a separate detachment.

 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
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 Marmatag wrote:
 Farseer_V2 wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
Hive Tyrants would be better served with the commander treatment rather than a nerf. It's the same overall effect but doesn't punish people who were playing Tyranids in a more balanced manner to begin with.

And if MRC are 20 points, everyone will just take MST, d6 damage is a no brainer.


I agree with this - a limit of 1 per detachment would be a fine limit on HTs. They're still strong and a viable a unit, the game just doesn't handle 7 of them at a time well.


Totally agree. I don't think GW playtests with 7+ of any unit, regardless of role, on the table.

In truth they should consider adjusting the rules so that things are more in line with how they play test. If they have this silent intended use case, just make it RAW. We all want a balanced game. As a Tyranid player I would be fine with a "rule of 1" for repeated HQs. Any duplicate HQ must come in a separate detachment.


Indeed fluffwise all our HQs except primes are really a rare sight.
   
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Well i was saying that rule should apply to all armies.

 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
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 Marmatag wrote:
Well i was saying that rule should apply to all armies.


It would give me a reason not to take both my princes in my TSons detachment (which as of right now there is no reason not to).
   
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Even as an avid CWE player I wouldn't mind the restrictions on spiritseers/autarchs (Farseers and warlocks are too much of a lynchpin that holds the codex together to be limited in that fashion)
   
 
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