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I couldn't find the thread for the trailer, if there was one.
First of all, it was much more slick and less distinctive than the original. It felt more like a franchise film. For me, it felt like a 90's Godzilla film or giant robo TV show with modern special effects. The plot was on the same level as the first one, silly but fun if you are on board for it, with some particularly brutal combat scenes near the end. There are some quips, some fun scenes, some exposition scenes, some cheesy as hell scenes, and the "best" elevator fight scene since Captain America: The Winter Soldier. If Charlie Day's character was meant to represent JJ Abrams in the first film, then his performance in this film is hilariously meta. While there's no Hannibal Chao, there's no Charlie Hunnam, either.
I really want to see the Legendary crossover-verse happen now.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It felt like this, just without the cool music.
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I'm unsure on the new version. The first was good but I'm reserving judgement abit on the sequel.
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Mr Nobody wrote: I thought the first mech vs mech fight in the city was fun to watch, but the arctic fight seemed to lose that sense of perspective and scale.
I also wonder what message they were trying send with the trololol song.
I agree. The Arctic fight was the weakest in the film. The final fight was brutal, though. the very ending was a bit weird, with the "Han Solo saves the day" moment being either brilliantly cheesy or horrifically campy. Reminds me of the UN SecGen in Godzilla Final Wars: "I managed to escape somehow.....BLAM BLAM! They called me 'Dead Eye' in college."
I liked it pretty well. It felt like they were targeting a younger domestic market and the need to make money in China was abundantly clear. This resulted in more than a few moments that were meant to be funny or cool that were dumb (or just puzzling) but the film had good energy overall and kept me very entertained. Boyega was great.
Between the abundance of Japanese in the first one and the proliferation of Mandarin in the second, I'm hoping the third one is just a total jumble of actors speaking whatever languages all over the place. Make it feel like one of those experimental Esperanto films of the 70's.
I guess now we know how Japanese audiences felt watching Godzilla films where Nick Adams or whoever would speak his lines in a different language to everyone else in the film and no one would comment on it.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Between the abundance of Japanese in the first one and the proliferation of Mandarin in the second, I'm hoping the third one is just a total jumble of actors speaking whatever languages all over the place. Make it feel like one of those experimental Esperanto films of the 70's.
Put it all in Finnish, Yiddish, and Mongolian, throw in a bewildered Swahili for fun.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Oh man. I just saw this and it was... it was a rough go.
Movies with giant robots fighting giant monsters are never going to be Oscar winning movies, and I'm good with that. I like good, dumb fun. I think they might have made it a little too dumb, though. It was like watching a live-action anime aimed at young teens. The actions scenes were mostly OK but there was a little too much over the top action, and boy oh boy, were there too many yaegers. They lost all their impact and it felt less like watching a movie, and more like watching someone else play a video game and hogging the controller.
I had a good time, but I can no longer say I will unhesitatingly go see the next one in the theater. This one suffered badly from sequelitis - too many characters, not enough character development. It had some of the worst instincts of Independence Day: Resurgence, which I kind of hated. I didn't hate this one but I was ambivalent at best about it.
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
I will say, at least none of the newbies actually won against the Kaiju at the end. That would have been pretty unrealistic for completely inexperienced recruits would have never seen "real" combat with a Kiaju to actually win against them.
Another gripe I have (although I need to watch the original to verify this), but: If the goal was to blow up Mt Fuji, which is in Japan, along the ...Pacific Rim... and they were only destroying our cities to get to Mt Fuji.... they why would they have attacked California, or any other coastal city that wasn't in Japan?
Like, seriously, even if the original breach was on the opposite side on the Rim, couldn't they just ...swim... to Japan? That's a pretty big continuity error. And it isn't like this was a NEW goal that the Precursors just came up with. They specifically use the movements from the Kaiju for the original film to correspond a single destination point.
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Perhaps they wanted to cover their tracks to some extent and so sent kaiju along other routes, such that it would not be as immediately apparent what they were ultimately trying to accomplish.
To me it felt like more of an in-joke that they threw in there: "Now we know why Kaiju are always attacking Tokyo." If you have to have a rationalization, the character who made the connection had literally read the aliens' minds. Or perhaps in ten years the science of psychogeography will really blossom, and we'll finally know why the chicken crossed the road. The film also pointed out that some mountain in Siberia looked like a dinosaur.
Considering the first film had a giant sword that everyone forgot about until it was dramatic, I don't feel like the sequel is letting the original down here.
The most balls-out cheesy WTF moment for me whas
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when the jerkass CEO showed up piloting Scrapper at the end.
There is one thing that bugs me more than it should.
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Why was the wimpy kid the only one to die? He's inside a few hundred tons of steel machinery, but they still manage to kill off the less emotionally/physically powerful character. They should have killed either more of the kids or less of them.
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Manchu wrote: Yes that was dumb as gak but there's a Chinese market to consider.
Chinese market? She's a no-gruff-taking potential traitor whom the audience is supposed to dislike until the film subverts expectations when she singlehandedly uses the last resistance military hardware of note to turn the tide at the last minute. I think I've seen that trope in an American film recently...
I think the point is, Chinese audiences are supposed to think, oh great this American movie features a Chinese villain
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but then actually it's the American buffoon who speaks Mandarin as if he is mentally challenged who turns out to be the villain
, which is not something I am defending just because I am explaining. Although TBH the one thing I thought was pretty clever and memorable about this movie was
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the notion that Newt was getting high/getting off on drifting with kaiju brain matter and he cloned kaiju brains to pilot drone jaegers
so I guess I can forgive that twist. All the same, I thought Shao suddenly becoming a personally courageous hero was cynical and dumb.
That's the part that I couldn't decide whether it was brilliant or terrible. I laughed, but I don't know if I was supposed to. It reminded me a lot of Godzilla Final Wars, especially the UN Secretary who showed up out of nowhere to shoot some aliens. I kind of love unapologetic cheese, though.
I haven't watched the movie yet, sadly. I really liked the first one as it was just pretty dumb but awesome fun. I especially loved that the Jaeger felt like the giant robots they are: rather slow and not really agile, but still dangerous. Also, the russian one that looked like a can with legs. That feeling is, sadly, a tad bit gone after watching the trailer with the sprinting Jaegers and whatnot. Also, the plot idea sounds dumb: How in hell is anybody going to communicate with giant portal-crossing alien monsters (talking about the help from inside thing that was mentioned in the trailer).
All in all, I am skeptical, but if the fighting scenes are good, I am all for it.
Lum wrote: I especially loved that the Jaeger felt like the giant robots they are: rather slow and not really agile, but still dangerous. Also, the russian one that looked like a can with legs. That feeling is, sadly, a tad bit gone after watching the trailer with the sprinting Jaegers and whatnot.
Yeah, this is one of the things that made it feel more videogame-y to me: the Yaegers all seemed too fast in this movie, not "weighty" enough. It wound up feeling like a live-action cartoon, with them flipping and zipping around.
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
I found it amazing and completely unexpected, I thought it was just a plain sequel without the main character but it was more some sort of reboot instead. Eastwood's son is annoying as hell in any movie he shoots but I appreciated the cast overall.
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Just a bit sad about Mako, she and Raleigh had an extraordinary chemistry in the first movie, and I would have loved to see them together on screen again.
Yeah, this is one of the things that made it feel more videogame-y to me: the Yaegers all seemed too fast in this movie, not "weighty" enough. It wound up feeling like a live-action cartoon, with them flipping and zipping around.
It seemed like live-action Gundam.
And you're right about the weight. One of coolest things about Pacific Rim was that the movements of the Kaiju and the Jaegers were slow; the combination of tons of mass and water pressure.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Mr Nobody wrote: There is one thing that bugs me more than it should.
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Why was the wimpy kid the only one to die? He's inside a few hundred tons of steel machinery, but they still manage to kill off the less emotionally/physically powerful character. They should have killed either more of the kids or less of them.
He was the "boobs" kid, right? Maybe the Kaiju follow the same moral imperatives as the Predator, who killed the guy telling dirty jokes first.
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Fiancee and I both walked out liking it more than the original. Not that I disliked the original, I just found I liked this more. Fights during the daytime, acting that wasn't fething cringeworthy (though it was by no means good, the acting in the original was eyerollingly bad, especially the "Australians" (no America, we don't fething sound like that)), a fun twist with the bad guy, a main character that wasn't a cardboard cutout.
Elements could have been better, like one or two lines of dialogue to explain why Kaiju were heading away from Mt Fuji in the first film if that was their objective, the already mentioned feeling of weight, the sendoff Mako got. I still don't know why Scott Eastwood gets roles?
But overall I had a lot more fun watching this one, and fun is the reason you watch these sorts of films.
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Ouze wrote: It wasn't until I re-watched Pacific Rim the other day - my third watching, probably - that I realized those guys were supposed to be Australian.
How?
Sure, bad accents, but they mention their country of origin at least a couple of times.
Next you're going to mention how you didn't notice Tendo Choi had just quit smoking.
Who are the aussie guys in the movie? Mako is japanese, Raleigh american, the two mad scientists are german, and Pentecost is english according to the pacific rim wiki. Chau's citizeship is unknown.
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