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Aren't Godbeasts meant to be bigger than whole mountain ranges? Surely shes far too small to have strangled a Godbeast? She'd be like an ant by comparison.

Its the story in the armybook where she gets the Heart of Khaine off this named Godbeast.

How did Sigmar fly through space and not die? How did Grungni and Grimnir wind up stuck to an anvil? The answer is because that's how GW wrote it and logic isn't something that belongs in AoS.

Its viking saga fiction with titans clashing and extreme magic and fantasy. She turns into a giant snake. They don't describe the godbeast she slayed. We have no idea of its size.

 auticus wrote:
Its viking saga fiction with titans clashing and extreme magic and fantasy. She turns into a giant snake. They don't describe the godbeast she slayed. We have no idea of its size.

But every Godbeast described to us has been that big. So it's reasonable to assume that if they tell us Morathi beat a God Beast then Morathi beat a monster the size of a mountain range. They could have easily just said it was a Dragon.

Plus she beat it by "crushing it in her coils" not using her magic or weapons like the other Gods. So she physically overpowered a God beast by constructing it like an anaconda.

They wouldn't be describing this to you unless they wanted to create a mental image of this fight. So, what, can Morathi make herself that big? That's the only explanation I can think of. If she can alter forms and her body anyway so...

Maybe Morathi used sorcery to enlarge her form. They don't get into detail. She herself is one step removed from a god so thats not totally outside of the realm of believability.

My impression is that it's like Viking myths - that's all metaphor, magic, and other such stuff.

She seduced it first ............

Godbeasts can vary tremendously in size, so it's possible this one was smaller. Also ditto on Morathi changing her own size, she is able to shrink down to aelf size after all.

 Mr Morden wrote:
She seduced it first ............

Right after Nagash.

I still laugh at the fact that she tried to seduce Nagash. I'm not even sure how that works.

But on topic, like others have said AoS fiction is all supposed to be like tales of myth. The how of something occurring matters less than the fact that it did occur. I kind of like this style of writing for AoS. Makes it seem different than 40k which usually gives explanations that are not satisfactory.

C'mon, Nagash has a hard bone all the time

Couldn't resist, could you?

Anyway just look at the battle artwork between Grimnir and the Godbeast salamander, they're roughly the same size.

So God-beasts can vary in size and the gods can change their forms and even sizes at times. It adds up.

pm713 wrote:
How did Sigmar fly through space and not die? How did Grungni and Grimnir wind up stuck to an anvil? The answer is because that's how GW wrote it and logic isn't something that belongs in AoS.

No, it definitely belongs. It just has more freedom when talking about immortal gods that can compose multiple aspects of their faiths and realms made of magic that can range from stable farmlands to unstable lands of floating continents.

Edit: also I theorize the duardin gods tied themselves to that anvil to make it through the chaos realm intact and just couldn't free themselves afterwards. That'd certainly explain why they didn't want to talk about it.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Couldn't resist, could you?

Morathi couldn't

What a rib tickler.

 Red Comet wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
She seduced it first ............

Right after Nagash.

I still laugh at the fact that she tried to seduce Nagash. I'm not even sure how that works.

But on topic, like others have said AoS fiction is all supposed to be like tales of myth. The how of something occurring matters less than the fact that it did occur. I kind of like this style of writing for AoS. Makes it seem different than 40k which usually gives explanations that are not satisfactory.

Indeed I do like it as a new world/s where its all very mythic - and it works well with our mythological stories which are often vague about a lot of elements and very similar things happen

So she seduces the god-beast and then fights it for days on end over the iron heart of another god - yep that sounds like the sort of thing Loki or Zeus would have done.

Nagash has different aspects so he could have been slightly less........ well...Skeleton like.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Couldn't resist, could you?

pm713 wrote:
How did Sigmar fly through space and not die? How did Grungni and Grimnir wind up stuck to an anvil? The answer is because that's how GW wrote it and logic isn't something that belongs in AoS.

No, it definitely belongs. It just has more freedom when talking about immortal gods that can compose multiple aspects of their faiths and realms made of magic that can range from stable farmlands to unstable lands of floating continents.

Edit: also I theorize the duardin gods tied themselves to that anvil to make it through the chaos realm intact and just couldn't free themselves afterwards. That'd certainly explain why they didn't want to talk about it.

Not unlike 40k then.

I just want to know where Valaya ended up. It's weird without her.

Who knows? Even if Nagash did devour her soul it doesn't have to mean the end. Like how Morr has become an aspect of Nagash so too could Valaya for guiding the souls of the duardin to their final rest in the realm of death.

If their faith is strong enough in her maybe that aspect can be stronger as well.

So she seduces the god-beast and then fights it for days on end over the iron heart of another god - yep that sounds like the sort of thing Loki or Zeus would have done. 

Haha, indeed, though Loki would seal the deal and plague the world with his monstrous off-springs.

 Mr Morden wrote:
She seduced it first ............

Ah, so that's what she was constricting and why the Godbeast passed out.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Who knows? Even if Nagash did devour her soul it doesn't have to mean the end. Like how Morr has become an aspect of Nagash so too could Valaya for guiding the souls of the duardin to their final rest in the realm of death.

If their faith is strong enough in her maybe that aspect can be stronger as well.

So she seduces the god-beast and then fights it for days on end over the iron heart of another god - yep that sounds like the sort of thing Loki or Zeus would have done. 

Haha, indeed, though Loki would seal the deal and plague the world with his monstrous off-springs.

Dwarfs already had a god for that. Be weird if he became part of Nagash.

One of the art pieces of the Kharadron book has a statue of Valaya in it, so she is definitely still remembered.

Indeed, that's why I said their faith might be a factor in reviving her. The power of worship can never be underestimated in warhammer.

Dwarfs already had a god for that. Be weird if he became part of Nagash.

Well that depends if he survived the journey through the chaos realm to the mortal realms. Since the only two dwarf gods we've seen are Grungni and Grimnir it's possible that whole episode with the anvil and chains was their only safe passage as dwarf gods.

If he didn't make it then all the more reason for Nagash and possibly Valaya to take his place.

There's not really a reason for him not to. A god is better than some elves and they made it.

The elves were all incarnates(save Alarielle who was two powerful combined beings and Teclis) with strong ties to the mortal realms via the winds of magic and the rest of the souls got ferried over by Slaanesh's gut.

A better example is the Kislev bear god making it over to the realm of beasts.

A god is a god. Although it would be typical to keep being ------ by End Times even now. Khaine survived (just) yet all the others are gone.

Indeed they are but the realm of chaos is the domain of the dark gods which is comparing minnows to sharks. That's why all the gods that traveled through it now have injuries or great changes about them while the others were likely destroyed unless they're just lost in the in the madness of chaos or still hidden in the realms. (The latter of which is quite unlikely now that the Age of Hope has given them plenty of time to resurface)

And I wouldn't say all others are gone considering Teclis got the elven sea god's soul back.(Likely from Slaanesh)

Baron Klatz wrote:
Indeed they are but the realm of chaos is the domain of the dark gods which is comparing minnows to sharks. That's why all the gods that traveled through it now have injuries or great changes about them while the others were likely destroyed unless they're just lost in the in the madness of chaos or still hidden in the realms. (The latter of which is quite unlikely now that the Age of Hope has given them plenty of time to resurface)

And I wouldn't say all others are gone considering Teclis got the elven sea god's soul back.(Likely from Slaanesh)

From Spear of Shadows re the dwarf gods

We had a sister, Grimnir and I. Aye, and more than one. Brothers too. Sons and… and wives.’ He paused and shook his head. ‘Our voices shaped the realms of metal and fire, and the roots of more realms besides. Our song drew up the stones from the seas and our hands crafted the mountains.’ Grungni frowned. ‘Or maybe I misremember. I am old, as I said, and I have lived many lives. Older even than he who sits upon the throne of Azyr.

Be nice if Grungni remembered where they are. Or where he put all the Dwarf badassery.

Well if he's not implying by his wistful tone that they were lost during the Age of Chaos then it will be very interesting to see where they ended up. I can see the duardin from Azyrheim revealing a few as they continue to rebuild and expand their lands with places of worship but otherwise the only other dawi that could worship new gods would the Rootkings of the life realm at this point.

It certainly adds a new depth to the duardin gods all the same, hopefully their numbers can be replenished from just the 1 we have left.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Indeed they are but the realm of chaos is the domain of the dark gods which is comparing minnows to sharks. That's why all the gods that traveled through it now have injuries or great changes about them while the others were likely destroyed unless they're just lost in the in the madness of chaos or still hidden in the realms. (The latter of which is quite unlikely now that the Age of Hope has given them plenty of time to resurface)

And I wouldn't say all others are gone considering Teclis got the elven sea god's soul back.(Likely from Slaanesh)

From Spear of Shadows re the dwarf gods

We had a sister, Grimnir and I. Aye, and more than one. Brothers too. Sons and… and wives.’ He paused and shook his head. ‘Our voices shaped the realms of metal and fire, and the roots of more realms besides. Our song drew up the stones from the seas and our hands crafted the mountains.’ Grungni frowned. ‘Or maybe I misremember. I am old, as I said, and I have lived many lives. Older even than he who sits upon the throne of Azyr.

Thanks so much for that!

I really need to get that book.

Grimnir's not totally dead.

From the same novel - and yes you absolutely need to read it

Grungni shook his head. ‘Grimnir was much the same,’ he said, absently. ‘Always seeking offence where none was meant. He craved it, the way a drunkard craves ale. Insult was his milk and impatience was his meat. And now he is dead, and his children look to me.’ He sounded weary.

Dead, but not gone,’ Lugash said.

‘No. Not gone. And death is not the end.’ Grungni sighed. ‘But I did not bring you here to speak of my brother, fascinating as he was.’

Ah, very interesting. It's good to see my previous thoughts with Valaya were on the right track that gods are extremely hard to kill.(if not impossible)

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Red Comet wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
She seduced it first ............

Right after Nagash.

I still laugh at the fact that she tried to seduce Nagash. I'm not even sure how that works.

But on topic, like others have said AoS fiction is all supposed to be like tales of myth. The how of something occurring matters less than the fact that it did occur. I kind of like this style of writing for AoS. Makes it seem different than 40k which usually gives explanations that are not satisfactory.

Indeed I do like it as a new world/s where its all very mythic - and it works well with our mythological stories which are often vague about a lot of elements and very similar things happen

So she seduces the god-beast and then fights it for days on end over the iron heart of another god - yep that sounds like the sort of thing Loki or Zeus would have done.

Nagash has different aspects so he could have been slightly less........ well...Skeleton like.

He has other aspects? I'm assuming he can change shapes similar to how Morathi can appear to be a normal elf or a giant Naga?