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So the new RS has a hint about the ii and xi legions. Perhaps a hint that they were lost during he Rangdan Xenocides

https://regimental-standard.com/2018/03/28/field-dressing-a-lasgun-wound/

Serious case of blue-balling by GW... although it is interesting to see as there is currently only speculation regarding those two legions and their fate.

That's been one theory long time ago for at least 1. Though with space wolf hints it hints that at least one was dealt by SW's.

But then again who knows? Funny thing is not likely even GW unless they have been doing it recently. They were originally added there just to add mystery and make things LOOK like more preplanned than it actually is.

edit: And btw just because they were involved there doesn't mean they were wiped out there and then. Could continue to fight after that as well. This isn't giving anything more information that they were involved there.

Tristanleo wrote:
Serious case of blue-balling by GW...

Probably just this. All we get are non-confirming hints about anything. Even the whole Space Wolves thing is just speculation because one dude decided they were cool enough to be the "executioners" or something dumb like that.

I thought we knew exactly what happened to them, and this is just random retconning that'll only be true till the next retcon anyway?

There's also a thing about them being folded into the Smurf legion as well.

There was also the thing about the Burning of Prospero not being the first time the Wolves fought other Marines which some people think means they killed a Legion.

Huh. Today I learned that Neophytes have what might be literally the worst dollar-to-point ratio I've seen in an 40k boxed set.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
I thought we knew exactly what happened to them, and this is just random retconning that'll only be true till the next retcon anyway?

So what it was then? Originally GW didn't even decide what happened to them as Tuomas Pirinen mentioned when he said how Jervis J taught him concept of "closed doors" using specifically those legions as example. Make universum seem bigger with mysteries GW preplanned when infact they were just random things added without any further thought but which could be expanded IF GW decided to later.

tneva82 wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
I thought we knew exactly what happened to them, and this is just random retconning that'll only be true till the next retcon anyway?

So what it was then? Originally GW didn't even decide what happened to them as Tuomas Pirinen mentioned when he said how Jervis J taught him concept of "closed doors" using specifically those legions as example. Make universum seem bigger with mysteries GW preplanned when infact they were just random things added without any further thought but which could be expanded IF GW decided to later.

I thought that was the 2nd Ed re-write, and in Rogue trader they were already established? Wasn't one of them the Space Sharks?

AdmiralHalsey wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
I thought we knew exactly what happened to them, and this is just random retconning that'll only be true till the next retcon anyway?

So what it was then? Originally GW didn't even decide what happened to them as Tuomas Pirinen mentioned when he said how Jervis J taught him concept of "closed doors" using specifically those legions as example. Make universum seem bigger with mysteries GW preplanned when infact they were just random things added without any further thought but which could be expanded IF GW decided to later.

I thought that was the 2nd Ed re-write, and in Rogue trader they were already established? Wasn't one of them the Space Sharks?

I think the Rainbow Warriors where a 1st founding chapter back in rogue trader but was later retconned to being an ultramarine successor. Not sure about the space sharks.

Anyways as long as they don't ruin my head cannon of one of the lost legions being lead by a Primarch who thinks he is an Orky Warboss then I'm good with whatever teasing GW makes to do about the lost legions.

The Dark Angels were also rumoured to have suffered heavy casualties during the Rangdan Xenocides to the point that they were no longer the largest legion (a distinction they had previously held along with being the oldest).

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rangdan_Xenocides

If you look closely at the bottom of the uplifting primer, just below the sticked page you can see the writing "Hail the Emperor! Hail the Warmaster!"

So does it mean the II and XI legions were around at the time Horus was proclaimed Warmaster? Or was there another Warmaster? Everything i have read up to this point seems to indicate that missing legions became disbanded (or destroyed etc) sometime during the Great Crusade. Certainly not just before Heresy but earlier.

Glumy wrote:
If you look closely at the bottom of the uplifting primer, just below the sticked page you can see the writing "Hail the Emperor! Hail the Warmaster!"

So does it mean the II and XI legions were around at the time Horus was proclaimed Warmaster? Or was there another Warmaster? Everything i have read up to this point seems to indicate that missing legions became disbanded (or destroyed etc) sometime during the Great Crusade. Certainly not just before Heresy but earlier.

I saw that and I assume that Warmaster must have been a title held by the Emperor before he granted it to Horus. The ragdan campaign was like 70 years before Horus became Warmaster I think

Glumy wrote:
If you look closely at the bottom of the uplifting primer, just below the sticked page you can see the writing "Hail the Emperor! Hail the Warmaster!"

So does it mean the II and XI legions were around at the time Horus was proclaimed Warmaster? Or was there another Warmaster? Everything i have read up to this point seems to indicate that missing legions became disbanded (or destroyed etc) sometime during the Great Crusade. Certainly not just before Heresy but earlier.

I basically went with the assumption that, because of the size of the Imperium, the producer of this particular bit of propaganda material -somehow- missed the memo regarding the II and IX legions. The producer not having heard about removal of references to those legions continued to produce materials, and when Horus became the Warmaster added to the new batches of materials without rectifying the earlier mistake. And why would they rectify it? for all they know there still are II and IX legions.

Combine the sheer size of the Imperium with poor communication and you get stuff like this.

As such, I do not think this tells us anything about the two missing legions.

2 legions were definitely out of the picture and censored out by the Horus Heresy started. Well before that.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
I thought we knew exactly what happened to them, and this is just random retconning that'll only be true till the next retcon anyway?

So what it was then? Originally GW didn't even decide what happened to them as Tuomas Pirinen mentioned when he said how Jervis J taught him concept of "closed doors" using specifically those legions as example. Make universum seem bigger with mysteries GW preplanned when infact they were just random things added without any further thought but which could be expanded IF GW decided to later.

I thought that was the 2nd Ed re-write, and in Rogue trader they were already established? Wasn't one of them the Space Sharks?

No.

In the Rogue Trader rulebook, the Horus Heresy is literally a single mention in the caption of a picture. Nothing more. No such thing as Legions, the First Founding was nothing special (it was just the first time Marine Chapters were created, they weren't the ancestors of the later ones or anything like that), one Space Marine Chapter was much like another.

When they did flesh out the story of the Marines during the Heresy, there were three missing First Founding Chapters (no "Legions"; that was what the Chaos Marine organistaions were called 10,000 years later, that's all). When 2nd edition came out, the only retcon was to invent the Raven Guard.