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Will that thread still be open by april 2nd ?

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*checks date* Ha right

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So, communist party or green party in 2018? The greens seem like closer to a viable political organization, but it's the communist party.


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Do parties matter when corporate interests dictate policy? You can't even call it corruption at this point it's so ingrained.

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 Eldarain wrote:
Do parties matter when corporate interests dictate policy? You can't even call it corruption at this point it's so ingrained.


One might argue that when corporate interests dictate policy it's the best time for a communist party.

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Is there any realistic chance the two major parties will ever lose their stranglehold on control? There seems to be some rather substantially undemocratic barriers in the way of competition having it's voice heard currently.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
That's what 7th edition is about. Yelling "Forge the Narrative Pussy!" while kicking your opponent in the dick.
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A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.


 
   
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Has anyone heard about this? Its only just being picked up in the news over here, but I assume its a big thing? The fallout could be massive...

Clinton Fined $90,686 for Lying in Paula Jones Case
July 30, 1999|ROBERT L. JACKSON | TIMES STAFF WRITER

WASHINGTON — The federal judge who found President Clinton in contempt of court last April levied a penalty of $90,686 against him Thursday, making him the first chief executive ever assessed such a payment.

Repeating her condemnation of Clinton for lying under oath in the Paula Corbin Jones sexual harassment lawsuit, U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright said that she was imposing the sanction to cover some of Jones' legal expenses and "to deter others who might consider emulating the president's misconduct."

Robert S. Bennett, Clinton's private attorney, said that he would not challenge the ruling. "We accept the judgment of the court and will comply with it."

In a 19-page ruling, Wright, a Little Rock, Ark., judge, made clear that she had calculated the penalty to cover expenses incurred by Jones' lawyers as a result of the president's false denials that he had ever been alone or had sex with former White House intern Monica S. Lewinsky.

Legal experts viewed the ruling as fair to the president, especially considering the judge's strong language last spring in excoriating Clinton for "false, misleading and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process."

"Sanctions are not imposed to punish," the judge said Thursday, "but must be based upon evidence of actual loss."

Nonetheless, Wright's final determination in the civil case that led to last year's Lewinsky scandal--and to the president's impeachment by the House and trial in the Senate, which acquitted him, threatens further legal trouble for Clinton.

The now-complete federal court record could aid independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr should he decide to pursue criminal prosecution of Clinton before or after he leaves the White House.

Besides adding to the taint on Clinton's legacy, Wright's findings also could dim his prospects if, as expected, he chooses to practice law after leaving office.

The contempt matter arose from Clinton's deposition taken Jan. 17, 1998, when he was asked if he and Lewinsky had ever been alone together in the Oval Office.

"I don't recall," he replied. "It's possible that she . . . while she was working there, brought something to me and that, at the time she brought it to me, she was the only person there. That's possible."

He denied having sexual relations with Lewinsky or ever being alone with her in a hallway outside the Oval Office. In his grand jury testimony on Aug. 17, 1998, Clinton asserted that he had not lied in the Jones deposition. That evening, however, in a nationally televised speech, he acknowledged that he had "inappropriate intimate contact" with Lewinsky. White House lawyers later said that the contacts had occurred in the hallway outside the Oval Office.

The judge's unchallenged contempt ruling already was being reviewed by the Arkansas Supreme Court's Committee on Professional Conduct.

This panel, which includes two non-lawyer citizens, could revoke or suspend Clinton's license to practice law. Clinton is a licensed attorney in Arkansas--but no other state--and is a former law professor.

Wright, in figuring Clinton's monetary penalty, disregarded as "excessive" a demand by Jones' lawyers in Texas and Virginia for a court-imposed payment of nearly $500,000--more than five times the amount she selected.

Noting that Clinton made an out-of-court payment of $850,000 to Jones and her lawyers in November to settle the case, Wright said that "it is appropriate to limit fees and expenses to those incurred" through extra legal work that resulted from his contempt-of-court conduct when he lied in his January 1998 deposition.

She awarded $79,999 to the Dallas law firm of Rader, Campbell, Fisher & Pike, and $9,485 to the Virginia-based Rutherford Institute, a conservative public interest law firm that also assisted Jones. The judge added $1,202 to cover expenses for her trip to Washington to attend Clinton's deposition.

"The court takes no pleasure in imposing contempt sanctions against this nation's president and, no doubt like many others, grows weary of this matter," the judge wrote.

"Nevertheless, the court has determined that the president deliberately violated this court's discovery orders, thereby undermining the integrity of the judicial system, and that sanctions must be imposed to redress the president's misconduct and to deter others who might consider emulating the president's misconduct."

Clinton's lawyers denied misconduct by their client but avoided challenging Wright's findings. To do so would have occasioned further open court hearings, which the White House wishes to avoid.

The Dallas law firm had no immediate comment.

John Whitehead, director of the Rutherford Institute in Charlottesville, Va., said he was pleased that the judge imposed the penalty, although he wished it were larger.

"The key thing is how history will view this," Whitehead told the Associated Press. "They're not going to look at the money but at the first sitting president that was ever held in contempt."

Clinton is not expected to use his privately financed legal defense trust fund to pay his penalty, largely to avoid public criticism and because the penalty is "relatively light," a source close to the president said. Last year's Jones case settlement was largely covered by private insurers without drawing on the defense fund.

Wright said in her contempt order that the president's deposition testimony was "intentionally false, notwithstanding tortured definitions and interpretations of the term 'sexual relations.' "

 
   
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 Eldarain wrote:
Is there any realistic chance the two major parties will ever lose their stranglehold on control? There seems to be some rather substantially undemocratic barriers in the way of competition having it's voice heard currently.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution

Also, as Marx points out, capitalism will sell the revolution the tools of its own destruction. Even now the NRA lobbies for the right to sell the revolution the AR-15s that will put an end to oppression. As previous generations have had the AK-47 as the symbol of freedom from tyranny our generation will embrace the AR-15.

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Rapid fire and end of us all


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Has anyone heard about this? Its only just being picked up in the news over here, but I assume its a big thing? The fallout could be massive...


Given that article is dated 1999 I think you might be a bit late on this...
   
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 Wyrmalla wrote:
Has anyone heard about this? Its only just being picked up in the news over here, but I assume its a big thing? The fallout could be massive...


The Hamilton/Reynolds affair was worse. Typical republican, trying to dig up scandals by democrats and draw attention away from your guy's affairs.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
Is there any realistic chance the two major parties will ever lose their stranglehold on control? There seems to be some rather substantially undemocratic barriers in the way of competition having it's voice heard currently.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution

Also, as Marx points out, capitalism will sell the revolution the tools of its own destruction. Even now the NRA lobbies for the right to sell the revolution the AR-15s that will put an end to oppression. As previous generations have had the AK-47 as the symbol of freedom from tyranny our generation will embrace the AR-15.


Which would be logical, except for the fact that the most Communist-y individuals in the US loath firearms while those who like guns the most are definitely the opposite of Communists.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Wyrmalla wrote:
Has anyone heard about this? Its only just being picked up in the news over here, but I assume its a big thing? The fallout could be massive...


The Hamilton/Reynolds affair was worse. Typical republican, trying to dig up scandals by democrats and draw attention away from your guy's affairs.


I'm concerned over what effect this could all have on the relationship between our two countries. If Clinton could be on his way out, though what's the chances of that (come on, its hardly Watergate), I wonder who the next guy could be? Someone with similar competency at least...

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 ScarletRose wrote:
Has anyone heard about this? Its only just being picked up in the news over here, but I assume its a big thing? The fallout could be massive...


Given that article is dated 1999 I think you might be a bit late on this...


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 Eldarain wrote:
Do parties matter when corporate interests dictate policy? You can't even call it corruption at this point it's so ingrained.


Vote for the Anarchist Party with a straight face. If enough people do it, the world will implode in a bubble of logical contradiction.

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There are three big problems in American politics.

1) We're doing VERY well when half the eligible voters actually vote. Voter turnouts average around 35%.

2) Of those who do vote, 35-40% of them would vote for Genghis Khan on a 'Raze America to the ground!' platform so long as the little 'R' is there next to his name... and almost exactly the same percentage would do the same so long as the little 'D' is there instead. So with between 70% and 80% of the active voters brainlessly voting the party line, there's no real chance for third parties to get involved on any sort of large scale.

3) Of the 20-30% who don't vote party lines, a majority will vote for whoever's campaign ads were most pervasive, not persuasive. The candidate who spends the most money on ads almost always wins.

Unless at least one (and preferably all three) of these problems are solved, the American political situation will continue to degrade.

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 Vulcan wrote:
There are three big problems in American politics.

1) We're doing VERY well when half the eligible voters actually vote. Voter turnouts average around 35%.

2) Of those who do vote, 35-40% of them would vote for Genghis Khan on a 'Raze America to the ground!' platform so long as the little 'R' is there next to his name... and almost exactly the same percentage would do the same so long as the little 'D' is there instead. So with between 70% and 80% of the active voters brainlessly voting the party line, there's no real chance for third parties to get involved on any sort of large scale.

3) Of the 20-30% who don't vote party lines, a majority will vote for whoever's campaign ads were most pervasive, not persuasive. The candidate who spends the most money on ads almost always wins.

Unless at least one (and preferably all three) of these problems are solved, the American political situation will continue to degrade.


4) There are not enough duels going on, I mean who wouldn't pay to see Cruz and Rand fight to the death with swords?


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This is probably a joke thread, but you know, whatever.

I did find this gem on reddit.





What is going on over in the 'states, guys? This is fishy as hedge.

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Imagine that you’re sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don’t get any. So you say “I should get my fair share.” And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, “everyone should get their fair share.” Now, that’s a wonderful sentiment — indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad’s smart-!@# comment just dismissed you and didn’t solve the problem that you still haven’t gotten any!

The problem is that the statement “I should get my fair share” had an implicit “too” at the end: “I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else.” But your dad’s response treated your statement as though you meant “only I should get my fair share”, which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that “everyone should get their fair share,” while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

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 Ustrello wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
There are three big problems in American politics.

1) We're doing VERY well when half the eligible voters actually vote. Voter turnouts average around 35%.

2) Of those who do vote, 35-40% of them would vote for Genghis Khan on a 'Raze America to the ground!' platform so long as the little 'R' is there next to his name... and almost exactly the same percentage would do the same so long as the little 'D' is there instead. So with between 70% and 80% of the active voters brainlessly voting the party line, there's no real chance for third parties to get involved on any sort of large scale.

3) Of the 20-30% who don't vote party lines, a majority will vote for whoever's campaign ads were most pervasive, not persuasive. The candidate who spends the most money on ads almost always wins.

Unless at least one (and preferably all three) of these problems are solved, the American political situation will continue to degrade.


4) There are not enough duels going on, I mean who wouldn't pay to see Cruz and Rand fight to the death with swords?



Oddly enough, Dueling isn't technically illegal in a few places in the US.

Also, you could potentially invoke Trial by Combat due to US Common Law being based on British Common Law as of and prior to the Revolutionary War. And at that time it was not illegal in Britain, and in the US it has never been banned.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trial-by-combat-in-the-united-states-2013-11

You probably won't be successful, but RAW it works Nobody has yet tried to invoke it, but the option is technically there.

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Lol, let's get into the meat and potatoes then!

Trump is objectively an imbecile and his followers are brainwashed via active domestic and foreign propaganda and gaslighting. Discuss.

   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
There are three big problems in American politics.

1) We're doing VERY well when half the eligible voters actually vote. Voter turnouts average around 35%.

2) Of those who do vote, 35-40% of them would vote for Genghis Khan on a 'Raze America to the ground!' platform so long as the little 'R' is there next to his name... and almost exactly the same percentage would do the same so long as the little 'D' is there instead. So with between 70% and 80% of the active voters brainlessly voting the party line, there's no real chance for third parties to get involved on any sort of large scale.

3) Of the 20-30% who don't vote party lines, a majority will vote for whoever's campaign ads were most pervasive, not persuasive. The candidate who spends the most money on ads almost always wins.

Unless at least one (and preferably all three) of these problems are solved, the American political situation will continue to degrade.


4) There are not enough duels going on, I mean who wouldn't pay to see Cruz and Rand fight to the death with swords?



Oddly enough, Dueling isn't technically illegal in a few places in the US.

Also, you could potentially invoke Trial by Combat due to US Common Law being based on British Common Law as of and prior to the Revolutionary War. And at that time it was not illegal in Britain, and in the US it has never been banned.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trial-by-combat-in-the-united-states-2013-11

You probably won't be successful, but RAW it works Nobody has yet tried to invoke it, but the option is technically there.


If there is a past case where a trial by combat was administered that would set precedence correct?


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Lol, let's get into the meat and potatoes then!

Trump is objectively an imbecile and his followers are brainwashed via active domestic and foreign propaganda and gaslighting. Discuss.


Generic trump supporter rebuff including but not limited to fake news, but her emails, cuck, 4d chess

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 MajorTom11 wrote:
Lol, let's get into the meat and potatoes then!

Trump is objectively an imbecile and his followers are brainwashed via active domestic and foreign propaganda and gaslighting. Discuss.


 Ustrello wrote:


Generic trump supporter rebuff including but not limited to fake news, but her emails, cuck, 4d chess


You have correctly chosen the responses ingrained into the audience via active propaganda and gaslighting! Ie - the three main options of response -

1.) Whataboutism - Where you are willing to lower your own standards to any degree without regret as long as you can find a singular example, anywhere, anytime, of the 'other side' doing something similar. You decide moral and intellectual aspiration is for chumps, and you willingly accept becoming a dishonest and unethical person, becoming what you complain about with glee.

2.) Fake News! - You choose that anything that doesn't support your views is fake and part of a sinister conspiracy by liberals, intellectuals and the deep state. In doing so, you make yourself a ridiculously strong candidate for brainwashing and gaslighting, foregoing your own ability to reason and examine, and choosing that only one source of information is valid, all others are lies. Ironically, the one source is actively trying to shape your mind to be subservient and blind.

3.) Adhominem - just get the snowflake, don't listen or think, the more reasoned the argument is, the more evidence presented, the more basic your response should be. Shun the expert! Shame education! Revile effort!

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 Grey Templar wrote:


Oddly enough, Dueling isn't technically illegal in a few places in the US.

Also, you could potentially invoke Trial by Combat due to US Common Law being based on British Common Law as of and prior to the Revolutionary War. And at that time it was not illegal in Britain, and in the US it has never been banned.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trial-by-combat-in-the-united-states-2013-11

You probably won't be successful, but RAW it works Nobody has yet tried to invoke it, but the option is technically there.


Oooh, that is shaky ground- it works because they never said it doesn't? I wouldn't stake my trial on that.

On the other hand, the Constitution itself preserves our right to bear Letters of Marque. That's right, Congress can declare US citizens privateers if they wanted to. Yarrrr!

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 Vulcan wrote:
There are three big problems in American politics.

1) We're doing VERY well when half the eligible voters actually vote. Voter turnouts average around 35%.

2) Of those who do vote, 35-40% of them would vote for Genghis Khan on a 'Raze America to the ground!' platform so long as the little 'R' is there next to his name... and almost exactly the same percentage would do the same so long as the little 'D' is there instead. So with between 70% and 80% of the active voters brainlessly voting the party line, there's no real chance for third parties to get involved on any sort of large scale.

3) Of the 20-30% who don't vote party lines, a majority will vote for whoever's campaign ads were most pervasive, not persuasive. The candidate who spends the most money on ads almost always wins.

Unless at least one (and preferably all three) of these problems are solved, the American political situation will continue to degrade.


I'd like one, just one, election at some point in my life where I can realistically vote FOR someone, not against someone. I'm tired of choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. The one happy note in the last election was that it violated your third point. The guy that spent less won.
   
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 MajorTom11 wrote:
Lol, let's get into the meat and potatoes then!

Trump is objectively an imbecile and his followers are brainwashed via active domestic and foreign propaganda and gaslighting. Discuss.


I'd argue that politics dejour... only that El Trumpo is more successful at it.


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 cuda1179 wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
There are three big problems in American politics.

1) We're doing VERY well when half the eligible voters actually vote. Voter turnouts average around 35%.

2) Of those who do vote, 35-40% of them would vote for Genghis Khan on a 'Raze America to the ground!' platform so long as the little 'R' is there next to his name... and almost exactly the same percentage would do the same so long as the little 'D' is there instead. So with between 70% and 80% of the active voters brainlessly voting the party line, there's no real chance for third parties to get involved on any sort of large scale.

3) Of the 20-30% who don't vote party lines, a majority will vote for whoever's campaign ads were most pervasive, not persuasive. The candidate who spends the most money on ads almost always wins.

Unless at least one (and preferably all three) of these problems are solved, the American political situation will continue to degrade.


I'd like one, just one, election at some point in my life where I can realistically vote FOR someone, not against someone. I'm tired of choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. The one happy note in the last election was that it violated your third point. The guy that spent less won.

Preach man! Preach!

So... who's likely going to be Trump's opponent in 2020? If that candidate is even marginally better than HRC... Trump's toast innit he?

Keep in mind, conventional wisdom is kinda shot here... as we all knew HRC would win.

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 Vulcan wrote:

3) Of the 20-30% who don't vote party lines, a majority will vote for whoever's campaign ads were most pervasive, not persuasive. The candidate who spends the most money on ads almost always wins.


People are even shallower than that: sometimes it's just the candidate who looks better is the winner. I saw a (admittedly not perfectly scientific) study that was done where random people in a mall were shown two pictures and asked to choose who looked better. The pictures used were the official campaign photos of the candidates in various elections (in places far enough away that nobody in this mall would recognize them). On average, the person most people said looked better was also the person who won the election.

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