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Feel free to bitch and moan all you want here in order to keep it to a minimum in other threads. Positivity is neither encouraged or required.

I'm honestly surprised at how little they actually changed. I didn't expect much but I was still underwhelmed. At THE VERY LEAST I expected some GK buffs and some nod towards Lictors.

I think maybe some FAQs aren't posted yet? DA, BA, AC, and GK are absent, which seems odd.

Infantry Squads did not not up in points.
LOS weapons didn't get nerfed.

An IG player can have 9 Russes in their heavy slot but Ad Mech can only have 3 onagers. GW needs to either give all heavy vehicles the squadron rule or take them away from everyone.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
An IG player can have 9 Russes in their heavy slot but Ad Mech can only have 3 onagers. GW needs to either give all heavy vehicles the squadron rule or take them away from everyone.

You can soup in for Russes (and you'll end up with more CP for doing so).

Soup them in, convert them out. Easy.

fe40k wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
An IG player can have 9 Russes in their heavy slot but Ad Mech can only have 3 onagers. GW needs to either give all heavy vehicles the squadron rule or take them away from everyone.

You can soup in for Russes (and you'll end up with more CP for doing so).

Soup them in, convert them out. Easy.

That's not the point and you know it.

Also Iron Hands literally lost the only thing that made them worth anything, which was better Ven Dreads. So who cares, right?

Yeah they mentioned in the livestream that this was part 1 of the big FAQ, so there's more to come

FunJohn wrote:
Yeah they mentioned in the livestream that this was part 1 of the big FAQ, so there's more to come

Huh?

I think they meant the later FAQ like in September. I'll go re-listen when i get a chance.

Well as a sisters player it's shot my ride-sharing dominions in the face and... that's about it really.

The trouble with balancing stuff based on tournament results is that there is a whole lot of stuff that people simply don't take to tournaments.

A.T. wrote:
Well as a sisters player it's shot my ride-sharing dominions in the face and... that's about it really.

The trouble with balancing stuff based on tournament results is that there is a whole lot of stuff that people simply don't take to tournaments.

Wait how did it do that?

 Sim-Life wrote:
Feel free to bitch and moan all you want here in order to keep it to a minimum in other threads. Positivity is neither encouraged or required.

I'm honestly surprised at how little they actually changed. I didn't expect much but I was still underwhelmed. At THE VERY LEAST I expected some GK buffs and some nod towards Lictors.

Same here. Considering we had to wait a few extra weeks, so little seems changed. It looks like they did minimal actual balancing of units and took the "let's just do macro things" path.

My grey Knights aren’t even playable as allies now.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

A.T. wrote:
Well as a sisters player it's shot my ride-sharing dominions in the face and... that's about it really.

Wait how did it do that?

No more than 3 of any datasheet. So three units max under 2000pts, or one and a half rhinos worth.

Looking through the rules the assassins have taken it in the neck. They either need to be taken alone with a -1CP penalty now or three at a time with no CPs generated.

A.T. wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

A.T. wrote:
Well as a sisters player it's shot my ride-sharing dominions in the face and... that's about it really.

Wait how did it do that?

No more than 3 of any datasheet. So three units max under 2000pts, or one and a half rhinos worth.

Looking through the rules the assassins have taken it in the neck. They either need to be taken alone with a -1CP penalty now or three at a time with no CPs generated.

Oh right, the share-a-ride Dominions are limited to 3. I was fixated on the Repressor, which is a DT, and that completely slipped my mind.

OTOH my foot-brigade Sororitas is just fine, haha.

Rust Stalkers could have used some help in the pts balancing, or a buff to thier weapons (which currently require fishing for 6s).

The increase in CP is a boost overall to the faction though, bc they are very CP dependent. Also as a gunline army, the nerf to turn 1 deepstrike farming benefits them.

Unless I missed it, why didn’t they take some opportunity to lower some points on some the stuff that is overpoint cost for what it does? A good faq should buff and nerf working towards the middle path…

Reemule wrote:
Unless I missed it, why didn’t they take some opportunity to lower some points on some the stuff that is overpoint cost for what it does? A good faq should buff and nerf working towards the middle path…

Depends on what it is. Sliding some things up might make those other things more valuable in relation to the nerfed units.

 Valentine009 wrote:
Rust Stalkers could have used some help in the pts balancing, or a buff to thier weapons (which currently require fishing for 6s).

The increase in CP is a boost overall to the faction though, bc they are very CP dependent. Also as a gunline army, the nerf to turn 1 deepstrike farming benefits them.

God forbid they got advance and charge or emp grenades

The only thing about this FAQ that really affects me is that I want to rework my list to be a battalion instead of three outriders now, which I guess is mission accomplished for GW.

Is it 100% certain that the datasheet limitation doesn't affect the squadron rules of leman russes, and carnifexes I suppose? I don't own the books, don't know the wording of the rules.

Marines needed a buff, and got a Nerf lol

torblind wrote:
Is it 100% certain that the datasheet limitation doesn't affect the squadron rules of leman russes, and carnifexes I suppose? I don't own the books, don't know the wording of the rules.

It's a "datasheet" limitation, not a "unit" limitation. So if the datasheet says "1-3 Leman Russes" than you can take 3 datasheets, each of 1-3 Leman Russes. That's the same for Carnifexes, etc.

I'm curious how it plays out with Forge World stuff, since the Stygies Vanquisher, Leman Russ Annihilator, and Leman Russ Conqueror are their own "datasheets"

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

torblind wrote:
Is it 100% certain that the datasheet limitation doesn't affect the squadron rules of leman russes, and carnifexes I suppose? I don't own the books, don't know the wording of the rules.

It's a "datasheet" limitation, not a "unit" limitation. So if the datasheet says "1-3 Leman Russes" than you can take 3 datasheets, each of 1-3 Leman Russes. That's the same for Carnifexes, etc.

I'm curious how it plays out with Forge World stuff, since the Stygies Vanquisher, Leman Russ Annihilator, and Leman Russ Conqueror are their own "datasheets"

RAW - I would say exactly like that for now - separate datasheets.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

torblind wrote:
Is it 100% certain that the datasheet limitation doesn't affect the squadron rules of leman russes, and carnifexes I suppose? I don't own the books, don't know the wording of the rules.

It's a "datasheet" limitation, not a "unit" limitation. So if the datasheet says "1-3 Leman Russes" than you can take 3 datasheets, each of 1-3 Leman Russes. That's the same for Carnifexes, etc.

I'm curious how it plays out with Forge World stuff, since the Stygies Vanquisher, Leman Russ Annihilator, and Leman Russ Conqueror are their own "datasheets"

RAW - I would say exactly like that for now - separate datasheets.

Yes, that's not wrong. I meant "see how it plays out" as in "wonder if it'll ever be addressed" or the like.

Wow, this is the most overhyped garbage ive seen from GW in a while... This is just meta shifting back and forth.. What a dissapointment.

Did they really need to nerf tide of traitors? Chaos is not the best army out there (especially now that you can't spam obliterators or PBCs anymore), it already took a hit with nerfing soup lists, I really think this nerf was unnecessary.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the datasheet for say a LRBT say that you can take it in squadrons of 1-3? If so how is that different from the datasheet of a hellblaster unit saying you can take up to 5 additional models? I think vehicles in squadrons could have up to 9 of the same thing if you take 3 in each squadron.

Teschio wrote:
Did they really need to nerf tide of traitors? Chaos is not the best army out there (especially now that you can't spam obliterators or PBCs anymore), it already took a hit with nerfing soup lists, I really think this nerf was unnecessary.

It was necessary considering immutable morale with Abaddon and two massive blocks of them would be unshiftable by almost any list.

A.T. wrote:
Well as a sisters player it's shot my ride-sharing dominions in the face and... that's about it really.

The trouble with balancing stuff based on tournament results is that there is a whole lot of stuff that people simply don't take to tournaments.

Then don’t use the organized play rules in non-tournament games. The 0-3 restriction is literally in rules for organized play.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the datasheet for say a LRBT say that you can take it in squadrons of 1-3? If so how is that different from the datasheet of a hellblaster unit saying you can take up to 5 additional models? I think vehicles in squadrons could have up to 9 of the same thing if you take 3 in each squadron.

Yes. The fluffy IG Tank Company is still playable: 3 Squadrons of 3 Russes and a Tank Commander. It's good that they didn't hurt any fluff with this restriction that I have yet found.

I raised so many faqs on the FW indexs and not one was answered.
Ragequit implode lol.