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Working on how to build my eldar army. I already have Irylith, 5 shadow spectres, a bonesinger, 5 axe and shield wraith guard, a scathatch wraithknight with one of each arm, and a wave serpent with double Shuriken cannons. Its a bizarre mix which doesn't really work too well together. Because of that, here's a list that I'm looking at now.
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [56 PL, 1000pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Alaitoc: Fieldcraft

+ HQ +

Autarch Skyrunner [6 PL, 108pts]: 5: Mark of the Incomparable Hunter, 2x Avenger Shuriken Catapult, Blazing Star of Vaul, Craftworlds Warlord, Twin Shuriken Catapult

Irillyth [8 PL, 160pts]

+ Troops +

Rangers [6 PL, 72pts]: 6x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

+ Elites +

Shadow Spectres [10 PL, 165pts]
. 5x Shadow Spectre: 5x Prism Rifle

Shadow Spectres [10 PL, 165pts]
. 5x Shadow Spectre: 5x Prism Rifle

+ Flyer +

Hemlock Wraithfighter [10 PL, 210pts]: 4. Protect/Jinx, Spirit Stones

++ Total: [56 PL, 1000pts] ++

Any suggestions on how to improve this list? Ideally any improvements would still include Irillyth and some shadow spectres, but what I have and what I need is fairly interchangeable otherwise.

How strong are the prism rifles? The main issue i can see is a lack of anti armor although it is possible that the shadow specters can deal with this on their own. Conversely you also lack effective units for infantry killing. In short while your units will be hard to hit if you will lack the necessary fire power and speed to keep opposing close combat units at bay.

 Eldrad wrote:
How strong are the prism rifles? The main issue i can see is a lack of anti armor although it is possible that the shadow specters can deal with this on their own. Conversely you also lack effective units for infantry killing. In short while your units will be hard to hit if you will lack the necessary fire power and speed to keep opposing close combat units at bay.

Prism rifles have two modes. Assault 1 18" S6 Ap-3 D1 and every hit adds an extra shot up to 3 per gun. Or Assault D6 8" S5 Ap-1 D1 auto hit.

Alternatively, if I don't have enough anti tank I could swap the hemlock for some dark reapers?

I wouldn't worry about AT that much on 1000 pts. Hemlock alone can deal with some. It would be a lot easier to drown in an army of something like 100 infantry with heavy weapons - you're basically all specialist against elites, and during 1st turn you just shoot 15 S4 shots and rush a Hemlock (which will do it's job, but maybe not) into the enemy. And you can't use your flamers on Spectres until turn 3.

Having so many snipers on 1000 pts seems like a luxury. They can do some damage to anything tough providing you have Doom (which you don't), and can serve their role in a 2000 pts list which already has all the basics covered - like to screen stuff and such, the stuff you basically don't have.

So, I'd take this: Farseer (Doom, because it's invaluable; and Guide, because it synergies with Spectres perfectly) with Shiftshroud (so you will be within powers range on turn 2 with Spectres and for extra -1 to hit on her); a single squad of Spectres, and it's possible to keep Hemlock. He can serve as AT and jinx models for Spectres flamers or ones sitting in cover. You can maybe keep 1 unit of Rangers to sit on objective.

The rest I'd fill with shuriken catapults or something basically equivalent for dealing with enemy troops.

On 1500 you can add Irillyth & another squad of Spectres. He eats a lot of points but with Doom can do damage to a lot of targets, and if you like the model there is no reason to skip on him at that point level.

 Shadenuat wrote:
I wouldn't worry about AT that much on 1000 pts. Hemlock alone can deal with some. It would be a lot easier to drown in an army of something like 100 infantry with heavy weapons - you're basically all specialist against elites, and during 1st turn you just shoot 15 S4 shots and rush a Hemlock (which will do it's job, but maybe not) into the enemy. And you can't use your flamers on Spectres until turn 3.

Having so many snipers on 1000 pts seems like a luxury. They can do some damage to anything tough providing you have Doom (which you don't), and can serve their role in a 2000 pts list which already has all the basics covered - like to screen stuff and such, the stuff you basically don't have.

So, I'd take this: Farseer (Doom, because it's invaluable; and Guide, because it synergies with Spectres perfectly) with Shiftshroud (so you will be within powers range on turn 2 with Spectres and for extra -1 to hit on her); a single squad of Spectres, and it's possible to keep Hemlock. He can serve as AT and jinx models for Spectres flamers or ones sitting in cover. You can maybe keep 1 unit of Rangers to sit on objective.

The rest I'd fill with shuriken catapults or something basically equivalent for dealing with enemy troops.

On 1500 you can add Illic & another squad of Spectres. He eats a lot of points but with Doom can do damage to a lot of targets, and if you like the model there is no reason to skip on him at that point level.

So I have one person saying I don't have enough anti-tank, and one saying I don't have enough anti-infantry. I don't quite understand why the flamers can't be used until turn 3 though. Although I have the option to deepstrike them using stratagems, they could also start on the board. A 12" move, plus advance with auto-hitting assault weapons (although battle focus means that's not really relevant) has a good chance of getting them into 8" range. Even if they don't, turn 2 should still be possible.

If anti-infantry is lacking, would you maybe suggest swaping some or all of the rangers for dire avengers?

The point is taken on the farseer, but as stated in my original post I don't want to drop Irillyth. I know he's not super competitive, but he has a cool model and I already own him. It seems like a waste of forgeworld if he doesn't see use. As far as using him in 1500 points goes, most of my games are played at 750-1000 so that seems unlikely.

As an idea, I could take a farseer in addition to what I already have, and swap the hemlock for dark reapers to make points for that.

Maybe it's the differences in meta or experiences, but I find that,

If you take specialized AT on 1000 pts, eldar list may suffer against non-vehicle lists;
If you don't and just spam shuriken fire, eldar list doesn't seem to suffer that much against vehicles while being in position to use every shot against infantry too.

That's because Bladestorm with Doom is so nice and effective, I rarely spend more than 150 pts on AT on 1000 pts.

IDK why you want to get Reapers into there, they're anti elite and not as effective against vehicles as say FDs. Of course they are way more versatile, but also more expensive. But sure, you can take 6 maybe with Tempest on Exarch if footdar is your theme.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Maybe it's the differences in meta or experiences, but I find that,

If you take specialized AT on 1000 pts, eldar list may suffer against non-vehicle lists;
If you don't and just spam shuriken fire, eldar list doesn't seem to suffer that much against vehicles while being in position to use every shot against infantry too.

That's because Bladestorm with Doom is so nice and effective, I rarely spend more than 150 pts on AT on 1000 pts.

IDK why you want to get Reapers into there, they're anti elite and not as effective against vehicles as say FDs. Of course they are way more versatile, but also more expensive. But sure, you can take 6 maybe with Tempest on Exarch if footdar is your theme.

The reason I suggested reapers was because I know they were good before the FAQ and was under the impression that, although nerfed somewhat, were still decent. The problem with fire dragons is that, although they're more effective against tanks, they are also completely useless without a transport. The shorter range also makes them more exposed to retaliation after getting out of said transport.

Based on this feedback though, how about replacing the flyer with three warwalkers armed with two shuriken cannons each? Alternatively, two walkers and shuffling some points around to get a farseer either on foot or on bike in addition to what I already have?

Given the above feedback, how does this look?

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [55 PL, 997pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Alaitoc: Fieldcraft

+ HQ +

Autarch [4 PL, 77pts]: Craftworlds Warlord, Faolchu's Wing, Forceshield, Star Glaive

Farseer [6 PL, 110pts]: 1. Guide, 2. Doom, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

Irillyth [8 PL, 160pts]

+ Troops +

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

+ Elites +

Shadow Spectres [10 PL, 165pts]
. 5x Shadow Spectre: 5x Prism Rifle

Shadow Spectres [10 PL, 165pts]
. 5x Shadow Spectre: 5x Prism Rifle

+ Heavy Support +

War Walkers [8 PL, 140pts]
. War Walker: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon
. War Walker: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon

++ Total: [55 PL, 997pts] ++

Alternatively, if I leave Irillyth out how is this?

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [57 PL, 998pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Alaitoc: Fieldcraft

+ HQ +

Autarch [4 PL, 99pts]: 5: Mark of the Incomparable Hunter, Craftworlds Warlord, Forceshield, Reaper Launcher, Shimmerplume of Achillrial, Star Glaive

Farseer [6 PL, 115pts]: Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear

+ Troops +

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

+ Elites +

Shadow Spectres [10 PL, 132pts]
. 4x Shadow Spectre: 4x Prism Rifle

Shadow Spectres [10 PL, 132pts]
. 4x Shadow Spectre: 4x Prism Rifle

+ Heavy Support +

Fire Prism [9 PL, 170pts]: Spirit Stones, Twin Shuriken Catapult

Fire Prism [9 PL, 170pts]: Spirit Stones, Twin Shuriken Catapult

++ Total: [57 PL, 998pts] ++