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The long-awaited "underwater elves" - Idoneth Deepkin are released, and now we can speak about them as a full-fledged army. What impression do they make?

In fact, the keyword describing this army will be "duality." On the one hand, the very concept of a naval force that has come out on land is very interesting and fresh. On the other hand, we would like more rules reflecting this. On the one hand - well-designed, very detailed miniatures. On the other hand, design causes controversy among players, and many don’t like it. Let's look at it all in order

General rules of the army - undoubtful success. Since the Idoneths fight in the ethereal sea, in fact, creating conditions similar to underwater, on land, the enemy should feel worse. So, his range attacks can only target the closest visible Idoneth unit. It sounds incredibly cool until we remember that we are not playing 40K, and the main damage here is still applied in close combat. However, for some rosters and armies (hello, Kharadrons), Idoneths are one of the most uncomfortable opponents.


The next feature is also very interesting - Tides of Death. Every turn has a certain effect on the whole army. Unlike daughters of Khaine’s, they are not cumulative but change with each turn. The idea is quite clear - growing with each turn, these waves lead your army into a furious hand-to-hand. On the first turn, all units receive a bonus from cover, on the second move they can run + shoot, or run + charge, on the third - absolutely the whole army hits first in close combat, and on the fourth - can retreat, and then charge or shoot.

Now, this is really a powerful ability. It forces you to adjust all the gameplay to this rhythm and strive for melee from the very first turn. Luckily, there are enough mobile and dangerous fighters in this army. However, this requires training and a certain skill - the enemy, knowing what to expect, may break this scheme by imposing a fight at the second turn. Really a new scheme that forces both players to change the style of the game and think a lot. Unfortunately, this is perhaps the most interesting thing that the army of Idoneths has.


But when we get to the artifacts, there is a slight... bewilderment. There is a feeling that they were invented by people responsible for Demons and Tau codices in 40K. Disposable artifacts that you are unlikely to ever take, -1 for hit, re-rolls, mortal wounds... Everything is maximally standard and non-inventive, in all three groups. Only one in each group, implicating the 2D6 mechanics, is at least something original. Warlord traits also don’t add anything special, and most likely you will take one that gives +2 wounds.

At the stage of creating the magic, gamedesign, apparently, again was given into the hands of adequate people, because the spells are quite interesting and reflect the background of the army. The most interesting is the abilities to teleport units 24 inches far, and immediately slay the enemy character with the pressure of the water column, if your D6 roll is greater than the number of his wounds. Although, we have already seen something similar in other armies. There are also rituals that are quite difficult to create without special roster building. Again, you will use the one that strengthens the Eidolons - these already powerful units, get a full reroll of hits and casts, and heal one wound. Making the enemy lose the benefit from cover or forbidding them to fly - is not something for which you will build a scheme with many priests.


The possibility of choosing a certain enclave for your army is quite interesting. This allows you to strengthen the units that you like most. And, not only with banal rerolls, but by increasing the number of models in the unit, special spells, or even the ability to share the Tides of Death to allies.


There’s no need to focus on units in detail - you can read the warskroll yourself. The main idea is that they are all pretty fast, and are aimed mainly at close combat - which is kind of expected. Given that the faction is new, and all the boxes were produced specifically for this book, there are no useless ones - absolutely everyone will find use on the table, and at least play "above average".

In general, we have a rather strange situation. There is a new, unique army, with an unusual background, and a model series, but at the same time, there is no particular reason to play them. People come in Age of Sigmar for the sake of unique, interesting rules, and there are already enough armies with universal rules in 40K.

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 Teena Hancock wrote:
In general, we have a rather strange situation. There is a new, unique army, with an unusual background, and a model series, but at the same time, there is no particular reason to play them. People come in Age of Sigmar for the sake of unique, interesting rules, and there are already enough armies with universal rules in 40K.


Excuse me, what? Can you elaborate more on this point?
   
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 Zontarz wrote:
 Teena Hancock wrote:
In general, we have a rather strange situation. There is a new, unique army, with an unusual background, and a model series, but at the same time, there is no particular reason to play them. People come in Age of Sigmar for the sake of unique, interesting rules, and there are already enough armies with universal rules in 40K.


Excuse me, what? Can you elaborate more on this point?

The OP doesn't ever really tend to engage in discussion.


Also, that part is absolute garbage and really is so wrong it's not even funny.
   
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Yeah, the OP treats this site like a blog. I think they get off on the attention and rage that comes from their half-baked ideas and reviews drawn from watching other review videos.

In other words, there's little content here.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

drbored wrote:
Yeah, the OP treats this site like a blog. I think they get off on the attention and rage that comes from their half-baked ideas and reviews drawn from watching other review videos.

In other words, there's little content here.

It's not so much they "treat this site like a blog"--it's that they treat it as a dumping site for a link to their blog.
   
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The only opinion i have on underwater elves is, that it was a missed opportunity to do Cthulhu elves.

To many unpainted models to count. 
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
drbored wrote:
Yeah, the OP treats this site like a blog. I think they get off on the attention and rage that comes from their half-baked ideas and reviews drawn from watching other review videos.

In other words, there's little content here.

It's not so much they "treat this site like a blog"--it's that they treat it as a dumping site for a link to their blog.
Which would perhaps be forgivable if the reviews were done by someone who knew what they were talking about. Every one of the reviews I've bothered to read has just confirmed that this person simply doesn't know AoS very well. Couple with the cockiness it takes to post it here as though people will be interested enough by the 'insight' of the review and I find the whole thing distasteful.

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is the mistweaver saih from silver tower deepkin? or something else?
   
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 thekingofkings wrote:
is the mistweaver saih from silver tower deepkin? or something else?

Something else.

She's always kinda/sorta been labeled as Shadowkin, which are Malerion's Aelves, alongside of the Tenebrael Shard.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
is the mistweaver saih from silver tower deepkin? or something else?

Something else.

She's always kinda/sorta been labeled as Shadowkin, which are Malerion's Aelves, alongside of the Tenebrael Shard.


Well poo, was gonna use her to lead some thralls in a game.
   
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Whatndo people think of he prices of these models? The HQ seem a little high for what it is.
   
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 lolman1c wrote:
Whatndo people think of he prices of these models? The HQ seem a little high for what it is.


I think they are a little high, but I just got a box of thralls for $42 US on Miniature market, so about $4 a piece...I can live with that. gonna use the mistweaver anyhow
   
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 lolman1c wrote:
Whatndo people think of he prices of these models? The HQ seem a little high for what it is.

Which HQ?

Lotann's the first time I feel the price is 'right', having seen the bits in person.
Eidolons are much bigger than I was first led to believe.
$25 for the three remaining Isharann is a Good Deal to be honest. I was worried they'd be $33 each.
   
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I think the models are horrific. Absolutely absurd looking garbage. Worse than the last Space Wolves release by several leagues.

Honestly was really looking forward to this after the wood elves reboot and as a guy that had just started high elves before Age of Sigmar.

I wouldn't take those models for free and now I'm debating what to do with my boxes of high elves that are still on the sprue.

10 thumbs way down from me. Jump the shark on a 28mm scale.

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VanHallan wrote:
I think the models are horrific. Absolutely absurd looking garbage. Worse than the last Space Wolves release by several leagues.

Honestly was really looking forward to this after the wood elves reboot and as a guy that had just started high elves before Age of Sigmar.

I wouldn't take those models for free and now I'm debating what to do with my boxes of high elves that are still on the sprue.

10 thumbs way down from me. Jump the shark on a 28mm scale.


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What do I think of the underwater elves?

Not my cup of tea. I'm holding out for Malerion and running my proper militant dark elves (their AOS incarnation).

But if someone loves them, rock it out.
   
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 auticus wrote:
What do I think of the underwater elves?

Not my cup of tea. I'm holding out for Malerion and running my proper militant dark elves (their AOS incarnation).

But if someone loves them, rock it out.


As a diver by nature and being generally obsessed with the sea and aquatic things, I love these guys, ALOT!
   
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We haven't seen any up here yet, but perhaps they'll make an appearance at campaign this fall.
   
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I've fought them a couplr times. Aside from more'fan seems well balanced. Some stuff seems to strong, then you realize how many points it costs. Glass cannon army somewhat, but a low more shenanigans than the average army and has some good elements of migitation. I would say Idoneth players and foes alike need to be careful because a lot of things can be killed very quickly on either side.

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