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Article is in the spoiler, it is just really big. Looks like it took 14 hours of deliberation to find him guilty on 3 counts. Curious what the sentencing is going to be for this.

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NORRISTOWN, Pa. --
Bill Cosby was convicted Thursday of drugging and molesting a woman in the first big celebrity trial of the #MeToo era, completing the spectacular late-life downfall of a comedian who broke racial barriers in Hollywood on his way to TV superstardom as America's Dad.

Cosby, 80, could end up spending his final years in prison after a jury concluded he sexually violated Temple University employee Andrea Constand at his suburban Philadelphia home in 2004. He claimed the encounter was consensual.

Cosby stared straight ahead as the verdict was read, but moments later lashed out loudly at District Attorney Kevin Steele and called him an "a--hole" after the prosecutor asked that the former TV star be immediately jailed because he might flee. Cosby denied he has an airplane and shouted, "I'm sick of him!"

The judge decided Cosby can remain free on bail while he awaits sentencing. No sentencing date was set.

Cosby waved to the crowd outside the courthouse, got into a car and left without comment. His lawyer Tom Mesereau declared "the fight is not over" and said he will appeal.

Shrieks erupted in the courtroom when the verdict was announced, and some of his accusers whimpered and cried. Constand remained stoic, then hugged her lawyer and members of the prosecution team.

"Justice has been done!" celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, who represented some of Cosby's accusers, said on the courthouse steps. "We are so happy that finally we can say women are believed."

The verdict came after a two-week retrial in which prosecutors put five other women on the stand who testified that Cosby, married for 54 years, drugged and violated them, too. One of those women asked him through her tears, "You remember, don't you, Mr. Cosby?"

The panel of seven men and five women reached a verdict after deliberating 14 hours over two days, vindicating prosecutors' decision to retry Cosby after his first trial ended with a hung jury less than a year ago.

Cosby could get up to 10 years in prison on each of the three counts of aggravated indecent assault. He is likely to get less than that under state sentencing guidelines, but given his age, even a modest term could mean he will die behind bars.

Constand, 45, a former Temple women's basketball administrator, told jurors that Cosby knocked her out with three blue pills he called "your friends" and then penetrated her with his fingers as she lay immobilized, unable to resist or say no.

It was the only criminal case to arise from a barrage of allegations from more than 60 women who said the former TV star drugged and molested them over a span of five decades.

"The time for the defendant to escape justice is over," prosecutor Stewart Ryan said in his closing argument. "It's finally time for the defendant to dine on the banquet of his own consequences."

Another prosecutor, Kristen Feden, said Cosby was "nothing like the image that he played on TV" as sweater-wearing, wisdom-dispensing father of five Dr. Cliff Huxtable on "The Cosby Show."

Cosby's retrial took place against the backdrop of #MeToo, the movement against sexual misconduct that has taken down powerful men in rapid succession, among them Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, Kevin Spacey and Sen. Al Franken.

The jurors all indicated they were aware of #MeToo but said before the trial they could remain impartial. Cosby's lawyers slammed #MeToo, calling Cosby its victim and likening it to a witch hunt or a lynching.

After failing to win a conviction last year, prosecutors had more courtroom weapons at their disposal for the retrial. The other accusers' testimony helped move the case beyond a he-said, she-said, allowing prosecutors to argue that Cosby was a menace to women long before he met Constand. Only one other accuser was permitted to testify at Cosby's first trial.

Cosby's new defense team, led by Mesereau, the celebrity attorney who won an acquittal for Michael Jackson on child-molestation charges, launched a highly aggressive attack on Constand and the other women.

Their star witness, a longtime Temple employee, testified that Constand once spoke of setting up a prominent person and suing. Constand sued Cosby after prosecutors initially declined to file charges, settling with him for nearly $3.4 million over a decade ago.

"You're dealing with a pathological liar," Mesereau told the jury.

His colleague on the defense team, Katheen Bliss, derided the other accusers as home-wreckers and suggested they made up their stories in a bid for money and fame.

But Cosby himself had long ago confirmed sordid revelations about drugs and extramarital sex.

In a deposition he gave over a decade ago as part of Constand's lawsuit, Cosby acknowledged he had obtained quaaludes to give to women he wanted to have sex with, "the same as a person would say, 'Have a drink.'" The sedative was a popular party drug before the U.S. banned it more than 30 years ago.

Cosby also acknowledged giving pills to Constand before their sexual encounter. But he identified them as the over-the-counter cold and allergy medicine Benadryl and insisted they were meant to help her relax.

The entertainer broke racial barriers as the first black actor to star in a network show, "I Spy," in the 1960s. He created the top-ranked "Cosby Show" two decades later. He also found success with his "Fat Albert" animated TV show and served as pitchman for Jello-O pudding.

Later in his career, he attracted controversy for lecturing about social dysfunction in poor black neighborhoods, railing against young people stealing things and wearing baggy pants.

It was Cosby's reputation as a public moralist that prompted a federal judge, acting in response to a request from The Associated Press, to unseal portions of the deposition.

Its release helped destroy the "Cosby Show" star's career and good-guy image. It also prompted authorities to reopen the criminal investigation, and he was charged in late 2015.

The Associated Press does not typically identify people who say they are victims of sexual assault unless they grant permission. Constand has done so.
   
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Well. He going to jail. His crimes are pretty serious. Even if he old.

Cannot say he earned that particular gig.
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But what if all 60 women made it up for the money? /s


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 Ouze wrote:
But what if all 60 women made it up for the money? /s



That's absurd. Some of them could have made it up for thier 15 minutes of fame. /s

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 feeder wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
But what if all 60 women made it up for the money? /s



That's absurd. Some of them could have made it up for thier 15 minutes of fame. /s


Maybe a few did or maybe they did not.
Even so 60 cannot lie.


Even if 5-10% false that's still 90% real crimes that deserve punishment.

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 jhe90 wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
But what if all 60 women made it up for the money? /s



That's absurd. Some of them could have made it up for thier 15 minutes of fame. /s


Maybe a few did or maybe they did not.
Even so 60 cannot lie.


Even if 5-10% false that's still 90% real crimes that deserve punishment.


You do realize that the two posts you responded to explicitly called attention to the fact that they were sarcastic, right?

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
But what if all 60 women made it up for the money? /s



That's absurd. Some of them could have made it up for thier 15 minutes of fame. /s


Maybe a few did or maybe they did not.
Even so 60 cannot lie.


Even if 5-10% false that's still 90% real crimes that deserve punishment.


You do realize that the two posts you responded to explicitly called attention to the fact that they were sarcastic, right?


No... That's what that /s was. Never thought about its meaning. I've not seen it used like that.

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No worries, we were still on the same page.

I think that false reports of rape are a very low percentage - it does happen, but it happens a crazy tiny fraction of the time. But lets say 90% of the reports were lies - a percentage literally no one would think is possible. If you assume 90% are true, that's still like 6 rapes. I can't understand why this dude has people who defend him, but I guess that's how #metoo happened.

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 Ouze wrote:
No worries, we were still on the same page.

I think that false reports of rape are a very low percentage - it does happen, but it happens a crazy tiny fraction of the time. But lets say 90% of the reports were lies - a percentage literally no one would think is possible. If you assume 90% are true, that's still like 6 rapes. I can't understand why this dude has people who defend him, but I guess that's how #metoo happened.


I think some of it is just utter disbelief. I mean, he was TV dad for a large number of people. It's hard to shake that image. Kinda like picturing Bob Ross or Mr. Rodgers were actually nazis* or something. I didn't believe it myself until I read multiple news articles.


* neither of those men were nazis. In fact, they were the last two genuine good people left in the world. The above statement was added for the sake of analogy.

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60 women came forward but wouldn’t be surprised if 60 more women are ashamed to come forward... crazy something like this went on for so many years
   
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Interesting comment I read this morning on the enormous expense of government's conviction. Even for a crime where the accused was this obviously, clearly guilty like Cosby, it still took an incredible investment of government resources to secure a guilty plea. If other people accused of serious crimes had the wealth to fight this the way Cosby has, the whole system would collapse. The system is dependent on people pleading guilty.


 daedalus wrote:
I think some of it is just utter disbelief. I mean, he was TV dad for a large number of people. It's hard to shake that image. Kinda like picturing Bob Ross or Mr. Rodgers were actually nazis* or something. I didn't believe it myself until I read multiple news articles.


I think a lot of people struggle to understand how someone is publicly is not necessarily how they are privately. You see this any time a neighbourhood psycho is revealed, and people comment on how they were so nice and so it surprises them they were murdering local pets or whatever. It's kind of amazing that we continue to be surprised that people can act very differently in different contexts, because we all act differently in different circumstances. But we expect other people to absolutely the same all time, so if they were polite to me, they must surely be polite and respectful to everybody else all the time.

And then its even more amazing that people got their impression of Cosby from a character he played on tv. We know he's acting, and yet we also expect that's who Cosby really was. He was playing a pretend character with a pretend name, and he wasn't even a very good actor*, but we expect that's who Cosby really was. Bizarre.



*A funny comedian no doubt, but not a good actor. Seinfeld was the same. Ray Romano was different because he was neither

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I havent heard of anyone going to jail at 80....beyond a Nazi war criminal..but you never know.

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 TheMeanDM wrote:
I havent heard of anyone going to jail at 80....beyond a Nazi war criminal..but you never know.

Spoiler:


Joking about someone being raped in a thread about someone being convicted for rape is particularly bad.
   
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News this morning said he's under house arrest and getting an ankle bracelet.. so is he not going behind bars since he's old or something? Or is house arrest usually just a temporary thing?

Every time we hear a low flying plane or chopper around here, we joke that it's Cosby trying to get outta dodge. It's local news for us here in Philly.

Either way, glad they finally got him.

 
   
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 Necros wrote:
News this morning said he's under house arrest and getting an ankle bracelet.. so is he not going behind bars since he's old or something? Or is house arrest usually just a temporary thing?

Every time we hear a low flying plane or chopper around here, we joke that it's Cosby trying to get outta dodge. It's local news for us here in Philly.

Either way, glad they finally got him.


His bail was still granted while awaiting sentencing.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Necros wrote:
News this morning said he's under house arrest and getting an ankle bracelet.. so is he not going behind bars since he's old or something? Or is house arrest usually just a temporary thing?

Every time we hear a low flying plane or chopper around here, we joke that it's Cosby trying to get outta dodge. It's local news for us here in Philly.

Either way, glad they finally got him.


His bail was still granted while awaiting sentencing.


I'm thinking he offs himself while awaiting sentencing. He has already lived the best years of his life, and he's going to either die in his home, or in a jail. I know if I was in his shoes, I'd probably do that.

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I'm thinking he offs himself while awaiting sentencing. He has already lived the best years of his life, and he's going to either die in his home, or in a jail. I know if I was in his shoes, I'd probably do that.


With the prison system being what it is in the US, I'd probably do that if I was 18 and was looking at even five years. There's no future coming out of that then either.

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Months ago, when we had a similar thread on this, I said that Bill Cosby was innocent until a judge and jury said otherwise.

I've always been uneasy with trial by media, the assumption that accusation is guilt, and the rush to abandon hard won liberties such as due process, presumption of innocence etc etc

But now that a judge and jury have spoken, I'm happy to call him a sack of gak for these crimes.


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That's a pretty ridiculous stance to have. While the legal system does and absolutely should have a presumption of innocence as a legal fiction, there is nothing keeping any reasonable person from looking at the preponderance of evidence and forming an opinion on their own about the person's likely culpability.

In this case, the evidence was overwhelming that Bill Cosby was a serial rapist.


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 Ouze wrote:
That's a pretty ridiculous stance to have. While the legal system does and absolutely should have a presumption of innocence as a legal fiction, there is nothing keeping any reasonable person from looking at the preponderance of evidence and forming an opinion on their own about the person's likely culpability.

In this case, the evidence was overwhelming that Bill Cosby was a serial rapist.



I wasn't sitting on the jury that convicted Bill Cosby, and to the best of my limited knowledge, you weren't either. If you were, and you can't say so for obvious legal reasons, I respect that. But it's probably highly unlikely that you were.

In any event, unless you were sitting in that courtroom, there would have been a ton of evidence that we wouldn't have heard in the media: police reports, forensics, shrink reports, expert witnesses etc etc etc

Do I trust the media? No. Would I expect the media to print every line of the transcript of the court procedings? Of course not, to impractical.

Do I give two hoots for Bill Cosby? No. Am I glad he's been convicted? Of course.

But in my lifetime I have seen too many miscarriages of justice, innocent men hounded and jailed, botched police investigations etc etc

That''s why I'm slow to rush to judgement.




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 djones520 wrote:
 Necros wrote:
News this morning said he's under house arrest and getting an ankle bracelet.. so is he not going behind bars since he's old or something? Or is house arrest usually just a temporary thing?

Every time we hear a low flying plane or chopper around here, we joke that it's Cosby trying to get outta dodge. It's local news for us here in Philly.

Either way, glad they finally got him.


His bail was still granted while awaiting sentencing.


Likely his age? He unlikely to ever escape.
They have his passport.

He is famous. Be recognised all over.

He not running.

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 jhe90 wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
 Necros wrote:
News this morning said he's under house arrest and getting an ankle bracelet.. so is he not going behind bars since he's old or something? Or is house arrest usually just a temporary thing?

Every time we hear a low flying plane or chopper around here, we joke that it's Cosby trying to get outta dodge. It's local news for us here in Philly.

Either way, glad they finally got him.


His bail was still granted while awaiting sentencing.


Likely his age? He unlikely to ever escape.
They have his passport.

He is famous. Be recognised all over.

He not running.


He has the money to do it. Hell, I would at least try. Not like he has anything to look forward to in life now. It can't really get much worse for him at this point.
   
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 jhe90 wrote:
He is famous. Be recognised all over.

He not running.

Being famous and recognized all over never stopped Polanski

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 Dreadwinter wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
 Necros wrote:
News this morning said he's under house arrest and getting an ankle bracelet.. so is he not going behind bars since he's old or something? Or is house arrest usually just a temporary thing?

Every time we hear a low flying plane or chopper around here, we joke that it's Cosby trying to get outta dodge. It's local news for us here in Philly.

Either way, glad they finally got him.


His bail was still granted while awaiting sentencing.


Likely his age? He unlikely to ever escape.
They have his passport.

He is famous. Be recognised all over.

He not running.


He has the money to do it. Hell, I would at least try. Not like he has anything to look forward to in life now. It can't really get much worse for him at this point.


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Well about half the world doesn't have extradition treaties with the US, that's quite a few.

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There are rumblings that there may be an appeal. Apparently some of the witnesses against Cosby arguably shouldn't have been allowed to take the stand.
That and the event possibly didn't occur at the time the prosecution said it did. If that's true, it puts it just past the statutes of limitations, and thus Cosby would be unprosecutable, even if he admitted to it.


Now, I'm not saying Cosby isn't a POS. I think he is. I'm just saying that even slimeballs have rights.
   
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I just hope that his sentence is more than just a cash pay out. Im not saying a pile of money wont help those women financially but they need more than a paycheck to help with that mental hurt he put on them
   
 
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