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It will be interesting to see how well they avoid cannibalizing the Gauss pylon.
Those two big guns want to be something way bigger than heavy gauss and doomsday cannons, Macro weapons are probably next in line.
Probably a multi-profile weapon, ie something for hordes, something for elites and something for vehicles and other titans.
The forelimbs just look heavy and massive.
I'm hoping for a 2+ armor save, he is going to get shot at with high AP weapons anyway, and small arms fire really shouldn't be able to hurt something big like this. Don't know what save other knight like models have though.
I'm not sure those things under the main guns are also guns. They look mote like the things on top of the synaptic disintegrators.
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Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless.
They at least have an actual barrel at the end. These just have globes at the ends like the deathmark scopes or the thing that I imagine is some sort of targeting device on the doomsday cannon. It's like a flipped upside down lovechild of a doomsday cannon and a synaptic disintegrator.
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++ Heed my words for I am the Herald and we are the footsteps of doom. Interlopers, do we name you. Defilers of our
sacred earth. We have awoken to your primative species and will not tolerate your presence. Ours is the way of logic,
of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
Surrender to the machine incarnate. Surrender and die. ++
Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless.
Im putting aside what exactly those weapons could be and asking myself what stats does it have...
Looking at Knights and Necrons other stuff from Forgeworld i think we are going to see something like:
WS 3+ BS 3+ S8 T7/8 Sv 3+ 20+W
Now i could imagine that it gets T8 and a 5++ or T7 4++
I dont think we are going to see a 2+Sv as the fluff always describes Necron vehicles being more focused on damage output rather than defence (and also the Monolith and I think Obelisk being Sv 3+ too I dont see it getting a 2+ Sv)
Therefore I also think it wont have QS plus if I remember correctly no FW model has got QS.
I think the massive front limbs are as a user posted before the usual X2 -4AP D6 with 4A and a S User „stomping“ attack D3 per A
Considering necron FW models have a lot of the Dx shots mechanic I assume the weapon is going to be 2D6 (Twin something destroyer) or D6 each
propably S10 -4 APD6dmg BUT with some damage in addition (D3+3, D6 with potential mortal wounds, D6min3...)
I assume those are particle something under the main weapon (to me it looks similiar to the particle casters of wraiths) so I think it gets another 10+ S4/5 -0/1AP D1 shots.
It could also be that the weapon is going to have 2profiles but I dont know what those could be
ImPhaeronWeasel wrote: the fluff always describes Necron vehicles being more focused on damage output rather than defence
Source? I must have missed that.
Logically one would assume they would be interested in defense due to their historic fear of death.
In the codex the fluff about the DDA As far as I know they described it as being „not as armored as imperiums stuff (compare T7 3+ Sv to Necrons mostly T6 4+)“ but more deadly and dedicated to annihilate everything it hits
ImPhaeronWeasel wrote: Im putting aside what exactly those weapons could be and asking myself what stats does it have...
Looking at Knights and Necrons other stuff from Forgeworld i think we are going to see something like:
WS 3+ BS 3+ S8 T7/8 Sv 3+ 20+W
Now i could imagine that it gets T8 and a 5++ or T7 4++
I dont think we are going to see a 2+Sv as the fluff always describes Necron vehicles being more focused on damage output rather than defence (and also the Monolith and I think Obelisk being Sv 3+ too I dont see it getting a 2+ Sv)
Therefore I also think it wont have QS plus if I remember correctly no FW model has got QS.
I think the massive front limbs are as a user posted before the usual X2 -4AP D6 with 4A and a S User „stomping“ attack D3 per A
Considering necron FW models have a lot of the Dx shots mechanic I assume the weapon is going to be 2D6 (Twin something destroyer) or D6 each
propably S10 -4 APD6dmg BUT with some damage in addition (D3+3, D6 with potential mortal wounds, D6min3...)
I assume those are particle something under the main weapon (to me it looks similiar to the particle casters of wraiths) so I think it gets another 10+ S4/5 -0/1AP D1 shots.
It could also be that the weapon is going to have 2profiles but I dont know what those could be
FW Tesseract Ark has QS.
I agree, the T8 stuff we have tend to have a more compact design, Monolith/Obelisk/Gauss Pylon. This thing I don't know, looks more sturdy than the Tesseract Ark (T7), the Vault (T7) has the T of the CTan inside, bit with the legs it's quite an "open" design.
Good guess with the particle thing. Agree on the other weapon thoughts, not really believing we would have 2+ save
Automatically Appended Next Post: For reference, the TA has really useful multiple profiles for it's main gun, While the G Pylon perhaps not so much
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ImPhaeronWeasel wrote: the fluff always describes Necron vehicles being more focused on damage output rather than defence
Source? I must have missed that. Logically one would assume they would be interested in defense due to their historic fear of death.
In the codex the fluff about the DDA As far as I know they described it as being „not as armored as imperiums stuff (compare T7 3+ Sv to Necrons mostly T6 4+)“ but more deadly and dedicated to annihilate everything it hits
I think you might have misunderstood. Overwhelming firepower does not mean they favor offence over defense. They aren't Eldar. In the same article it even states that the DDA is different from other necron vehicles in that it doesn't rely on evasion or resilience to survive, implying that necron vehicles do generally have quite a few defensive measures.
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I see one thing that leaves me hopeful; it has no base. For large models that is really improtant right now. Getting it into line of sight blocking Terrain and being able to get into combat with things in buildings as long as the model is within a inch is gold in 8th. That hell baster squad in a building thay could pop it now has to worried about being charged at no matter where they hide....
ImPhaeronWeasel wrote: the fluff always describes Necron vehicles being more focused on damage output rather than defence
Source? I must have missed that.
Logically one would assume they would be interested in defense due to their historic fear of death.
In the codex the fluff about the DDA As far as I know they described it as being „not as armored as imperiums stuff (compare T7 3+ Sv to Necrons mostly T6 4+)“ but more deadly and dedicated to annihilate everything it hits
I think you might have misunderstood. Overwhelming firepower does not mean they favor offence over defense. They aren't Eldar. In the same article it even states that the DDA is different from other necron vehicles in that it doesn't rely on evasion or resilience to survive, implying that necron vehicles do generally have quite a few defensive measures.
Well this could be a translation thing then as I have a german Codex.
As I read this (freely translated) the text states the DDA is not a big tank as the imperial counter parts for open fights and to whithstand enemy fire
and as you stated its not relying on high mobility (only 8“ move) OR (german translation should be „neither nor“ not only „or“) its defence but on the devestating first strike, no word on it being different
Its even stated as being its weakness (again freely translated) „at first glance it looks week but focusing on this OBVIOUS WEAKNESS makes one misjudge its actual point“ - Codex about DDAs looks
the only stuff described as tanky are the monolith/obelisk/Vault
Monolith because of its size
vault/obelisk because of the canoptek stuff always repairing it (at least for the vault)
Cant remember something saying Necron stuff being tough like „imperial tanks“ stuff
More like „necrons having strange/different shields“ (QS)
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I assume those are particle something under the main weapon (to me it looks similiar to the particle casters of wraiths) so I think it gets another 10+ S4/5 -0/1AP D1 shots.
Good eye, but actually the weapon you are thinking of is the transdimentional beamer, not the particle caster. An upgunned version of the beamer actually makes sense to me. It's fertile ground for a new model as it's the least prolific of the ranged weapons.
So normally you get D3 S4 -3ap D1 shots at 12" that also do mortal wounds on 6s on the wound roll. I could see the upgunned version being d6 or a flat 3 shots, S5-6 -3ap, 1-2 damage at 24", same mortal wounds rule. Seems solid for a secondary mini-titan weapon. Of course any of those stats could still remain the same as the original beamer.
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sacred earth. We have awoken to your primative species and will not tolerate your presence. Ours is the way of logic,
of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
Surrender to the machine incarnate. Surrender and die. ++
Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless.
I assume those are particle something under the main weapon (to me it looks similiar to the particle casters of wraiths) so I think it gets another 10+ S4/5 -0/1AP D1 shots.
Good eye, but actually the weapon you are thinking of is the transdimentional beamer, not the particle caster. An upgunned version of the beamer actually makes sense to me. It's fertile ground for a new model as it's the least prolific of the ranged weapons.
So normally you get D3 S4 -3ap D1 shots at 12" that also do mortal wounds on 6s on the wound roll. I could see the upgunned version being d6 or a flat 3 shots, S5-6 -3ap, 1-2 damage at 24", same mortal wounds rule. Seems solid for a secondary mini-titan weapon. Of course any of those stats could still remain the same as the original beamer.
Thanks for clarification. I like this idea of the better beamer but i would go for D6 shots. I dontknow why but necrons seem to me like an army that has a lot of the Dx mechanic.
Automatically Appended Next Post: A question that im asking myself is
where do you guys see this model points wise?
Is it a thing between the vault and a pylon or cheaper than both?
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I can't see this being cheap to field - I'd expect it to be a pretty heavy point cost unit.
I can also see it going one of two ways - it will either be an assault unit and thus a brawler making use of high speed to get into close combat, whilst having strong, but not super strong, ranged weapons.
The other option is that its more of an artillery unit, wanting to hang back, but with a respectable close combat value.
Visually either option works for it; its got two huge guns and two huge front legs; plus its multi-leg design suggest speed over sluggish motion.
Whatever its rules its a beauty and great to see Necrons get their titan unit (the pylon doesn't count ).
I imagine in the 450-550 range. It really depends on how much gas GW wants to put in the tank.
11,100 pts, 7,000 pts
++ Heed my words for I am the Herald and we are the footsteps of doom. Interlopers, do we name you. Defilers of our
sacred earth. We have awoken to your primative species and will not tolerate your presence. Ours is the way of logic,
of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
Surrender to the machine incarnate. Surrender and die. ++
Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless.
I have a feeling it's going to be at least S8, T7, 12 wounds and have a 4+ invul. I also think that because it is Canoptek and has been worked on by a mad Cryptek (Toholk of course) it's going to allow Canoptek units to have RP.
Now I know we already have a stratagem that gives 1 Canoptek unit RP for 2CP but it is FW.they have done weirder things.
For the guns. I think it has Improved Heavy Gauss Cannons w/ Deathmark type weapons but not in Sniper form. I suspect the guns profiles to be;
HGC x2 - Heavy 2 S9 -5 3+D3 for reliability in damage as most of our vehicles don't have any solid damage.
Smaller gun x2 - Rapid fire 3 - S5 -1 D1 - wound roll of 6+ is MW including previous damage.
It's big legs at the front will probably be S x2 -4 D6 with 4-6 Attacks.
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I don't think it will have Quantum shielding. If you look at all the units that have Quantum shielding they don't seem to have much in the way of armor, both physically on the model and statistically. I would expect this to have similar movement to an imperial knight as it's the same size. The Weaponry I'm not really sure about.
I think that the weaponry will not be artillery like. I'm hoping it's formidable, but with only two guns it makes me doubt. I also don't think these guns will be anything we've seen before. The Tesseract Ark brought in new weaponry and I think this will too
punisher357 wrote: I don't think it will have Quantum shielding. If you look at all the units that have Quantum shielding they don't seem to have much in the way of armor, both physically on the model and statistically. I would expect this to have similar movement to an imperial knight as it's the same size. The Weaponry I'm not really sure about.
I think that the weaponry will not be artillery like. I'm hoping it's formidable, but with only two guns it makes me doubt. I also don't think these guns will be anything we've seen before. The Tesseract Ark brought in new weaponry and I think this will too
I think it would be too expensive with QS. A lot of our vehicles are easily damaged to make up for it. But tend to not die to 1-2 lucky big damage shots.
I forsee an invuln myself. I want it to be good, trust me!
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
do you guys think this necron construct is going to challange the new knights (with extra weapons etc.) or only the regular knights in terms of weapons power?
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