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Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





So....do we do it ourselves as we mostly have already? Or do we just let it die?

Discuss.
   
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Awesome Autarch






Not sure it needs a new thread, but I'm more or less done. The only reason I bought into RRT was to get a full line of miniatures for the Macross era setting - I was going to do my own rules (The Palladium ones were gak anyway).

However, there are not enough unit options to make an interesting game now, and even if someone steps up and makes a bunch of 3D printed models to fill the void it'll be cost prohibitive.

I abandoned a shockingly expensive 1/200 Robotech project when RRT was announced. All I can hope now is that someone who is smarter, better, and less-criminal minded seizes the IP and does something useful with it. It's a tremendous IP and is ripe for miniature gaming.

 
   
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork






Let it die; Palladium certainly did way back in 2014.

   
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Inexperienced VF-1A Valkyrie Brownie






Still owed and not inclined to let it die.
Letting it die means that Kevin walks away without consequences.
   
Made in au
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 warboss wrote:
Let it die; Palladium certainly did way back in 2014.

Depends on what this thread is for. If it's for the extension of the game itself, then it's probably not worth trying to keep it alive as anything more than a vanity project. It'll slide into the same category as Renegade Legion, or any other half completed then abandoned game.

If it's for the Kickstarter campaign, then I'm definitely hoping it continues apace, though I hope people don't overextend themselves to get answers. And not just for this campaign, nor for justice against PB for being incompetent donkey clowns, but for the precedent set. If seven figure Kickstarters can go "Oops, my bad, peace out", with zero accountability, and shady numbers, it does jeopardize the whole system. I know some people dislike crowdfunding, but there are several games I've partaken of where I probably wouldn't have if I'd had to have gotten them at retail.

Jaymz, maybe you can clarify in the original post what this thread's scope is expected to be? Is it just for discussion of the game itself, or is it an open thread for all things RRT and PB related?
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





I was thinking the game itself but I suppose it could be general discussion.
   
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 warboss wrote:
Let it die; Palladium certainly did way back in 2014.


Oh no, they just reprinted a number of books and are starting a new product line where you can see projects in raw format before Kevin completely rewrites them.

Not dead, just lumbering along zombie-like powered by the money they kept from the kickstarter and skimmed off the shipping and handling from the accord and satisfaction scam.


   
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Autarch wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Let it die; Palladium certainly did way back in 2014.


Oh no, they just reprinted a number of books and are starting a new product line where you can see projects in raw format before Kevin completely rewrites them.

Not dead, just lumbering along zombie-like powered by the money they kept from the kickstarter and skimmed off the shipping and handling from the accord and satisfaction scam.



I was referring to Palladium letting the project die in 2014 by gambling money raised for the development and production of backer rewards on excess retail stock while also apparently not putting the profit from those retail sales back into the project according to their own incomplete and highly biased accounting. That admittedly wasn't clear in my brief post.


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 n815e wrote:
Still owed and not inclined to let it die.
Letting it die means that Kevin walks away without consequences.


I'm not letting them off the hook either. I closed out for around a third of what was owed to me and all but the metal blisters was NOT anything I had any interest in. I plan on expressing my dissatisfaction and truthfully recounting the facts whenever I see Palladium being discussed whether in person or online. My comment about letting it die was I regards to Jaymz' well meaning attempts to keep the game alive with fan support. It didn't work before the end of the campaign and it won't work now IMO. YMMV.

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Napoleonics Obsesser




MN

I will probably let the models sit on my shelf and gather dust in the box.

I have a couple rulesets I could probably use the models in such as:

Horizon Wars
Rampant Stars
Battletech
JUGS
Mechattack
etc.

However, I just haven't been motivated to put them together and get them painted. I really wanted some Zentraedi Foot soldiers (Yes, I see there are some on Shapeways) to do Reconstruction Blues, but I will probably never bother.

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Expendable Defender Destroid Rookie





Can we take a moment to salute the previous epic thread?

   
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork






 Ctaylor wrote:
Can we take a moment to salute the previous epic thread?



Which was actually the continuation of the previous 300+ page thread on the same dumpster fire of a project by Palladium.



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Mississippi

As of tomorrow, I will finally be able to divest myself of this KS, and in particular, PB.

I’ll be keeping my minis for now - they’re usable enough in Battletech, and if I ever get around to finishing my flight path (aka X-Wing) knockoff system for the minis, I’ll use them there.

Overall, it’s a shame, though. I bought a few PB books, including the recently redone Robotech books. It would have been nice to see Kevin & Co. pull themselves out of the muck, but they really, really botched it and my hope is they never recover.

Unfortunately, I don’t have faith we’ll ever see justice for the screw-job they did. It’ll take at least 5 years for a legal case, and I don’t get a sense that even that is gaining any steam.

It never ends well 
   
Made in ca
Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought





Canada

Well, we neither forgive nor forget what Palladium Books has done to take the money of backers and not give agreed value on that.
They have chosen to walk away with "extra" money they have no right to and no word on refunds even though the "exchange" is an obvious attempt to reduce liability.

As to the Robotech game?
I pretty much have my models for a "complete" game so I can slowly get it all painted up, the game and miniatures are rather nice when all is said and done.
Just convincing myself to get a couple more VT squadrons together (24 models) is a bit of a chore.
Who knows, I might sell it all off as a package one day or keep it out of nostalgia or be sold off for "pennies on the dollar" for my estate when I pass.

I did get a few extra models for my Battletech, so that will be nice to roll back into that.
Battletech the PC game which was a successful kickstarter btw is making me wanting to play more.

Funny how that prior thread was killed with little ceremony and we still are in a bit of a limbo which is how Palladium Books likes it.
I suppose we can always look at the rotting carcass of the KS page to vent there.

Will be interesting to see if our Facebook litigation group manages to get any traction at all.
Some member mentioned that some AGs took some interest, so who knows: some luck may be had.

I will just content myself to only keep enough of an eye on PB to be a pain in the rear any time they try to make money.

As to anyone else posting here: we may not all have always gotten along but it certainly has been an "entertaining" shared experience.

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A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte

 
   
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[MOD]
Illuminati






Arlington, va

1/200 is about the scale of Adeptus Titanicus...

At least I'll have some nice wrecks to sow around

 
   
Made in ca
Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought





Canada

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
1/200 is about the scale of Adeptus Titanicus...
At least I'll have some nice wrecks to sow around
I use a meat grinder on the largest die for putting sprues through for rubble (not used for food... ever).
It could be an interesting experiment!
For it to be epic in nature, feed them in assembled.
It would be reminiscent of the monks making pictures in coloured sand and sweeping it away.

A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte

 
   
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Fresh-Faced New User




No problem Warboss. As long as I'm receiving PBs weekly sales screed, guess I'll just have to make people aware of their poor customer service and dishonest business practices.

As for the game, it's dead. I realized that back during Spartan Gate, but hoped the hue and cry raised would alter the downward spiral. Sadly, Kevin was more interested in milking money out of the kickstarter than producing a solid game able to compete in the market.
   
Made in es
Skilled SDF-1 Pin-Point Barrier Jockey






What now? Well, I don't think I'll get anything from PB, but eh.

The destroids and battloids will certainly get use as unseens at the very least, and the stuff that PB renegued on delivering, well... I'll probably make some myself.
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





Well, is anyone interested in at least discussing ways to use what they have? In another game? (BT Alpha Strike, Mekton)?
   
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Malicious Mandrake




Crawfordsville Indiana

I'm going to use the Airmechs to bolster my LAM forces in Battletech; same with the Stinger, Wasp, and Valkyrie. Won't be able to add more Phoenix Hawks though. I might have enough to try out the Wasp/Stinger vs Atlas scenario. I'll do it with my fiancé, she can run the horde and I'll run the Atlas.

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Chaplain with Hate to Spare





SoCal

I'm mostly going to be using them for kitbash fodder. The Zentraedi minis are fun to assemble, though, so I may make some variations. I'd love to get ahold of some more Glaugs to try some ideas on.

   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





Would anyone be interested in a modified Alpha Strike to use them AS Robotech?
   
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Mississippi

The problem is, the line is "incomplete". Some of the more fun units - female power armor, armored/super valks, etc. either didn't get made or are metal.

I think a modified flight path (i.e., X-Wing) game would be pretty fun as well as an Alpha Strike Robotech.

--------------
BTW, my exchange items finally showed. Came by UPS - no wonder the shipping was ridiculous. I ended up opening the Tomahawk/Defender box, the rest is still unopened and I've just realized I don't have space for the set I just got.

It never ends well 
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





Yeah i was leaning that way as well.....I need to get a copy of DnD Attack Wing to see how the combination of flight and ground movement works.

I also have a link to a "pilot generator" for X-wing. It isn't perfect but it can work relatively well enough for such a use.

As an aside, I know I am in the minority in that I don't "need" actual minis to play these games. I am perfectly fine with using "paper minis"
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





Prelim VF-1 X-wing cards.....Basically I figure that during the activation step you decide what form you want and use that card/dial for the turn. As they all cost 14pts (and would have to share the same upgrades thus they all have the same upgrade slots) then you only pay once for the fighter in your force.
[Thumb - vf-1 battloid x-wing.jpg]

[Thumb - vf-1 gerwalk x-wing.jpg]

[Thumb - vf-1 fighter x-wing.jpg]

   
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Napoleonics Obsesser




MN

Here is my recommendation:



Do you like Free Wargames?
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Awesome Autarch






 jaymz wrote:
Would anyone be interested in a modified Alpha Strike to use them AS Robotech?


You could come up with a decent Robotech game, but the speed of the game and the differences in the mecha would have to be rather pronounced. You'd need to really change Alpha Strike heavily to make it reflect the speed of Robotech mecha. Sadly you're still stuck missing 60% of the mecha/vehicles they promised.

 
   
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 jaymz wrote:
Prelim VF-1 X-wing cards.....Basically I figure that during the activation step you decide what form you want and use that card/dial for the turn. As they all cost 14pts (and would have to share the same upgrades thus they all have the same upgrade slots) then you only pay once for the fighter in your force.


Some nice work there. Back when the kickstarter first funded, I did some very preliminary work on converting the game to flightpath rules as well. At this point, though, it might be better to wait until the 2nd edition is out and convert it to that instead of soon to be legacy 1st edition IMO.

   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





Legacy might be a way to keep it it's own?

Plus there be a need to figure out ground units...so DnD attack wing it is lol
   
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 jaymz wrote:
Legacy might be a way to keep it it's own?

Plus there be a need to figure out ground units...so DnD attack wing it is lol


Whatever suits you best as it was only a suggestion. I too took a look (a bit later on) at D&D attack wing's free rules to see how to incorporate it into the rules. I never fully decided on whether to keep movement templates or to have each template instead correspond to more traditional measured inch and 45 degree turns. The former obviously works great in space battles but felt clunky on the ground with a typical amount of terrain.

   
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 Elbows wrote:
The only reason I bought into RRT was to get a full line of miniatures for the Macross era setting


This. I just wanted a set of Macross models in a consistent scale. I'll just box it up and that'll be that.

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