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He's missing and Valoris isn't a lord of war, it seems unlikely that we will get a vehicle LOW and even more unlikely, bordering on stupid and terrible lore, that the Emperor will be our LOW. It would be extreemly cool to get Valdor back, as he's a legend in the lore.

I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

Not true. The Custodes went down to only about 1000 strong after the War in the Webway . Even if all of those survivors were created during the Unification Wars then this is still hardly "most" as it is but 10% of the Custodes at full strength.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

They didn't really count much as they were shut ins and only a fraction were that old. But that was back in the day before the fluff went full on bad rather than being varied.

I wouldn't mind seeing him back, if only they got a much, much better model for him, instead of the crap they gave us.

...Not every army needs a Lord of War...

That's not the GW way.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

Not true. The Custodes went down to only about 1000 strong after the War in the Webway . Even if all of those survivors were created during the Unification Wars then this is still hardly "most" as it is but 10% of the Custodes at full strength.

True, read the new Custodes book, there are still Custodes from the great crusade fighting and dreadnoughts from the unification wars.


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pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

They didn't really count much as they were shut ins and only a fraction were that old. But that was back in the day before the fluff went full on bad rather than being varied.

Well if they don't count the 13 great company certainly does and they fought with Russ before Russ was found by the Emperor, plus they have recently been found by Njal, so that's a whole great company of 10,000 year old marines and characters.


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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

Not true. The Custodes went down to only about 1000 strong after the War in the Webway . Even if all of those survivors were created during the Unification Wars then this is still hardly "most" as it is but 10% of the Custodes at full strength.

True, read the new Custodes book, there are still Custodes from the great crusade fighting and dreadnoughts from the unification wars.


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pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

They didn't really count much as they were shut ins and only a fraction were that old. But that was back in the day before the fluff went full on bad rather than being varied.

Well if they don't count the 13 great company certainly does and they fought with Russ before Russ was found by the Emperor, plus they have recently been found by Njal, so that's a whole great company of 10,000 year old marines and characters, I think we'll see a lot of old characters come back.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
He's missing and Valoris isn't a lord of war, it seems unlikely that we will get a vehicle LOW and even more unlikely, bordering on stupid and terrible lore, that the Emperor will be our LOW. It would be extreemly cool to get Valdor back, as he's a legend in the lore.

The Orion Assault Dropship is likely to be a LoW since it is in 30K.

Well no the 13th Company DIDN'T count seeing as they weren't around and like Chaos Marines they had the Warp excuse.

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

They didn't really count much as they were shut ins and only a fraction were that old. But that was back in the day before the fluff went full on bad rather than being varied.

Now to be fair, Custodes lore has kinda always been terrible. Much like the Custodes themselves.

pm713 wrote:
Well no the 13th Company DIDN'T count seeing as they weren't around and like Chaos Marines they had the Warp excuse.

Explain how they don't count, the Custodes have been fighting in the Imperium, especially in the Sol System and outwards. The 13th Company have been fighting the thousand sons since they entered the Eye, they've been fighting far longer than Bjorn has. I just think you don't like being proven wrong, so you just say 'doesn't count'.


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 Cruxeh wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

They didn't really count much as they were shut ins and only a fraction were that old. But that was back in the day before the fluff went full on bad rather than being varied.

Now to be fair, Custodes lore has kinda always been terrible. Much like the Custodes themselves.

True but the horus heresy books made them awesome. before them their lore was horrific. Plus they got rid of the stupid naked funeral party, now they still had their armour they just wore black robes ect. to express their mourning.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

Not true. The Custodes went down to only about 1000 strong after the War in the Webway . Even if all of those survivors were created during the Unification Wars then this is still hardly "most" as it is but 10% of the Custodes at full strength.

True, read the new Custodes book, there are still Custodes from the great crusade fighting and dreadnoughts from the unification wars.

Read what I wrote. You know MOST would refer to 51%+ right? Which is what you put. Most. Only 1000 Custodes remained after the War in the Webway in M31 and the full strength of them is 10,000. So 90% of their current numbers were created after this.

So NOT "most".

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

Not true. The Custodes went down to only about 1000 strong after the War in the Webway . Even if all of those survivors were created during the Unification Wars then this is still hardly "most" as it is but 10% of the Custodes at full strength.

True, read the new Custodes book, there are still Custodes from the great crusade fighting and dreadnoughts from the unification wars.

Read what I wrote. You know MOST would refer to 51%+ right? Which is what you put. Most. Only 1000 Custodes remained after the War in the Webway in M31 and the full strength of them is 10,000. So 90% of their current numbers were created after this.

So NOT "most".

So what if its not 'most', its enough to mean that Bjorn isn't special, which is the whole point anyways.


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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

Not true. The Custodes went down to only about 1000 strong after the War in the Webway . Even if all of those survivors were created during the Unification Wars then this is still hardly "most" as it is but 10% of the Custodes at full strength.

True, read the new Custodes book, there are still Custodes from the great crusade fighting and dreadnoughts from the unification wars.

Read what I wrote. You know MOST would refer to 51%+ right? Which is what you put. Most. Only 1000 Custodes remained after the War in the Webway in M31 and the full strength of them is 10,000. So 90% of their current numbers were created after this.

So NOT "most".

So what if its not 'most', its enough to mean that Bjorn isn't special, which is the whole point anyways and 'all' the 13th great company are older than Bjorn.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Well no the 13th Company DIDN'T count seeing as they weren't around and like Chaos Marines they had the Warp excuse.

Explain how they don't count, the Custodes have been fighting in the Imperium, especially in the Sol System and outwards. The 13th Company have been fighting the thousand sons since they entered the Eye, they've been fighting far longer than Bjorn has. I just think you don't like being proven wrong, so you just say 'doesn't count'.

Because wibbly-wobbly Warp time has most likely meant they've only been fighting for a few hundred years. Given how most CSM seem to have experienced less time than normal, that's most likely the same for the lost 13th.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

So what if its not 'most', its enough to mean that Bjorn isn't special, which is the whole point anyways and 'all' the 13th great company are older than Bjorn.

IOW "I'm moving the goalposts now because I'm wrong".

You know what you wrote. You have been proven wrong. Be a man and take it on the chin instead of using mental gymnastics like in every other thread I see you participating in.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd rather he stayed gone. I'm not a fan of how people like Bjorn used to be borderline unique in how old they were rather than being one of many.

Most Custodes are older than Bjorn himself. Some date back to the Unification wars. They don't age like Space Marines, So its not unique at all within the Custodes.

Not true. The Custodes went down to only about 1000 strong after the War in the Webway . Even if all of those survivors were created during the Unification Wars then this is still hardly "most" as it is but 10% of the Custodes at full strength.

So I was wrong about how many Custodes there were, there are still some that are older than Bjorn and it still doesn't mater because to the original point, there are lots of characters that are older than Bjorn. Returning to the 'actual' argument isn't moving the goal posts. I mentioned the 13th company along with the custodes. Mental gymnastics, point out where I was wrong on these 'other' threads then.