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Hey guys

I'm getting lazy moving a crap load of daemon troops around and was wanting to play a dual daemon list to field more greater daemons. Is it viable post faq to run lists with 3 greater daemons? Could any list with skarbrand, Kairos and either a bloothirster or lord of change with the impossible robe be semi competitive? Now that you can't put them in the Warp and bring them down turn 1 outside your deployment zone they're likely to get shot to pieces turn 1 if you don't go first. If you're lucky you might find terrain big enough to block line of sight but with rerolls and modifiers in 8th edition almost every army can take them out.

Anyone got an idea for chucking 2 battalions with at least 3 greater daemons together that could work? Maybe bringing them down turn 2 is viable?

Cheers

The simple answer is no. Depending on HOW competitive you want to be. Part of the problem is that you can only use the +1 invul strat once each shooting phase - so if you bring all those daemons you are going to get shot on whatever you don't invul.

Just bring scabby and put the -1 to hit WL trait on him with miasma and he will be -3 to hit in melee, -2 under 7 inches and -1 to hit otherwise - at 3++ with strat 9T and DG. Add in some fleshy and he can be a menace against most armies.

That or bring LoC with robe and make him WL with the incorporeal form - decent points to tankiness even in semi-competitive environ.

The problem I always have with these lists is that you want to really use the invul strat on your troops - such as pinks or plagues - you have to prepare for enjoying 3 broadsides with missles and rerolling all hits and wounds on your army, or shining spears flying at you with shurkiens at 36 shots, rerolling all wounds from doom and then charging you at 2 attacks each, IG with mortar spam popping relic every turn rerolling EVERYTHING, the fact that everyone plays drukhari after the 3CP strat to cancel other strats dropped, etc. Its fun running a big fatty but you really need to plan out how you will run your troops. Typically I see it with both sloppity bilepiper, feculant gnarlmaw and spoilpox scrivener and a poxbringer - this way you can heal scabby, you get a 4+ save on the plagues who sit at -1 to hit over 20 models and -2 to hit I think from scabby aura in melee - with 2 dice rolls for morale and bolstering on 1's.

I don't want to run fat troops blobs tbh I'll fill out the six spots over 2 battalions with 10 man squads. I know each god can work well with using character/herald and loci buffs especially if you run troops blobs with more than 20 for the free buff but I'm trying to avoid that. If I take scabby as warlord with a lord of change with impossible robe they both have 3++ using the strat as they walk across the battlefield, I like that idea.

With the gnarlmaw you can't deepstrike it turn 1 anymore to be further up the board, do you just prefer having it in your own deployment zone to give the buffs from turn 1?

ravenerioli wrote:
I don't want to run fat troops blobs tbh I'll fill out the six spots over 2 battalions with 10 man squads. I know each god can work well with using character/herald and loci buffs especially if you run troops blobs with more than 20 for the free buff but I'm trying to avoid that. If I take scabby as warlord with a lord of change with impossible robe they both have 3++ using the strat as they walk across the battlefield, I like that idea.

With the gnarlmaw you can't deepstrike it turn 1 anymore to be further up the board, do you just prefer having it in your own deployment zone to give the buffs from turn 1?

Again you asked about being competitive. I don't know any list that doesn't use troops and is anywhere in top half of tournaments... If it comes down to your preference and doing the best with what you have than what you suggest is probably reasonable among the available options. Yes you use gnarlmaw for deployment / obsec areas.

If you are playing ITC you will give up reaper everytime as you suggest and I'm not sure how you could even deny recon. Even CA Maelstrom you will have a hard time securing/defending objectives.

Maybe you might have better success with Daemon Primarchs rather than greater Daemons. like Magnus and Motarion. I mean, if you run Magnus, Motarion and a Lord of Skulls, that's most of your 2000 points. You won't win every game, but it might be fun. I doubt any shooty list can kill off all three within one turn of shooting.

And technically, since the Lord of Skulls is basically the soul of a blood thirster inside that massive daemon engine, so you have Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch all represented. All three are technically considered "greater daemons". You won't win every game, but I bet there are some lists that would be find such a combo very hard to deal with.

That would be a fun list I just don't own those models. What I'm thinking then is not bringing scabby and going 3 greater daemons which would be under 1000 points. The issue with only being able to boost one invuln can be helped by chucking one in the warp and bringing them in later in the game. Still plenty of points left over to bring a 30 man troops unit or 2 and mixing in some elites/fast attack/heavy support daemons in there too. Would take a lot of smarts to play it well but it could work


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Or just running scabby and a lord of change, or having skarbrand in the warp with some bloodletters and a 3D6 charge

orkswubwub wrote:
The simple answer is no. Depending on HOW competitive you want to be. Part of the problem is that you can only use the +1 invul strat once each shooting phase - so if you bring all those daemons you are going to get shot on whatever you don't invul.

Just bring scabby and put the -1 to hit WL trait on him with miasma and he will be -3 to hit in melee, -2 under 7 inches and -1 to hit otherwise - at 3++ with strat 9T and DG. Add in some fleshy and he can be a menace against most armies.

That or bring LoC with robe and make him WL with the incorporeal form - decent points to tankiness even in semi-competitive environ.

The problem I always have with these lists is that you want to really use the invul strat on your troops - such as pinks or plagues - you have to prepare for enjoying 3 broadsides with missles and rerolling all hits and wounds on your army, or shining spears flying at you with shurkiens at 36 shots, rerolling all wounds from doom and then charging you at 2 attacks each, IG with mortar spam popping relic every turn rerolling EVERYTHING, the fact that everyone plays drukhari after the 3CP strat to cancel other strats dropped, etc. Its fun running a big fatty but you really need to plan out how you will run your troops. Typically I see it with both sloppity bilepiper, feculant gnarlmaw and spoilpox scrivener and a poxbringer - this way you can heal scabby, you get a 4+ save on the plagues who sit at -1 to hit over 20 models and -2 to hit I think from scabby aura in melee - with 2 dice rolls for morale and bolstering on 1's.

This one was luckily fixed in the last FAQ. The relic can be used only once.

I strongly recommend against taking more than 1 Greater Daemon as well. Today's shooting lists are too strong and you would possibly lose 1 Daemon every shooting phase. For myself, I take LoC with Robe and 3-4 DPs, so I can use LoC as a fire magnet while DPs fly towards the enemy line spraying mortal wounds and getting into position to charge. Sometimes it even works . But frankly speaking, Daemons are not competitive in this edition anymore.