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2018/05/17 02:57:33
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Just asking this. From what I can see, the Deathwatch work more closely with the Inquisition, so the taint will be quickly exposed. Then again, even Inquisitors have fallen to Chaos themselves and I can't see how Deathwatch are more devoted than normal marines. This is taking an exception from the Black Shield, of course, as some of them are indeed Chaos Space Marines who wish to repent and redeem themselves, but must to do anonymously.
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2018/05/17 04:45:19
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Sure they could fall to Chaos. They are Veterans, not Grey Knights.
Imagine a battle against Dark Eldar where a psyker assaults the mind of some Veteran, leaving a scar that eventually leads to Slaanesh worship.
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2018/05/17 04:56:18
Subject: Re:Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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I wouldn't call them veterans at least not all of them as they are hand picked by the inquisition to be part of the death watch if they choose so. No one ever really disregards the offer as it is an honor to be picked.
Black shields are the exception and have forsaken their chapter or have a small taint to chaos and indeed wish to repent. Though that is not to say that they are not corruptable. The Deathwatch are for lack of a better term
the black ops of the space marines. They go on secret missions (usually stealth related) to infiltrate and destroy xenos threats.
The one thing we have to realize about humanity is that everyone is corruptable, aside from the emperor himself. Even the gray knights under very . . . very rare circumstances have caught some of the taint. I don't think any gray knight
has ever turned to chaos or been turned enough to the need to be purged some have felt the temptation or taint.
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2018/05/17 09:41:55
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Confessor Of Sins
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The Deathwatch could in some ways be even more vulnerable to corruption than others. They are organized into small teams and even a Watch Fortress isn't necessarily very heavily staffed, so there's fewer people keeping eyes on them. And being from a lot of different Chapters means their team mates might not recognize the more subtle signs - they learn about other Chapters but probably not enough to automatically spot a fellow breaking some minor rule.
On the other hand these are supposed to be some of the most reliable marines to be found if they were even considered for Death Watch duty, so they're going to be experienced and stable, not easy to corrupt. And there's not that many ways to introduce corruption into a remote post where you basically just wait and train for the next black ops.
So on accord of being isolated they're IMO just as hard or harder to corrupt than other Space Marines, but if it happens it could actually be more difficult to find out.
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2018/05/17 13:17:01
Subject: Re:Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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Ice King Nexion wrote:I wouldn't call them veterans at least not all of them as they are hand picked by the inquisition to be part of the death watch if they choose so. No one ever really disregards the offer as it is an honor to be picked.
Black shields are the exception and have forsaken their chapter or have a small taint to chaos and indeed wish to repent. Though that is not to say that they are not corruptable. The Deathwatch are for lack of a better term
the black ops of the space marines. They go on secret missions (usually stealth related) to infiltrate and destroy xenos threats.
The one thing we have to realize about humanity is that everyone is corruptable, aside from the emperor himself. Even the gray knights under very . . . very rare circumstances have caught some of the taint. I don't think any gray knight
has ever turned to chaos or been turned enough to the need to be purged some have felt the temptation or taint.
The Emperor is absolutely corruptible. The current state of the Imperium is largely owed to the poopstorm that resulted from the Emperor making a deal with warp entities for the warp essence needed to make the Primarchs. Maybe he didn't fall to Chaos, but he absolutely made deals with them. In that sense, he's about as pure as a radical Inquisitor who binds daemons as servants.
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2018/05/17 13:23:00
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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It’s strongly hinted at that some of the deathwatch used to be renegade marines, possibly even chaos, the latter part seems a bit of a stretch though as I can’t see a watch commander accepting a full blown chaos marine.
The deathwatch RPG goes into a good amount of detail on blackshields and could be a good place to start. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kriswall wrote: Ice King Nexion wrote:I wouldn't call them veterans at least not all of them as they are hand picked by the inquisition to be part of the death watch if they choose so. No one ever really disregards the offer as it is an honor to be picked.
Black shields are the exception and have forsaken their chapter or have a small taint to chaos and indeed wish to repent. Though that is not to say that they are not corruptable. The Deathwatch are for lack of a better term
the black ops of the space marines. They go on secret missions (usually stealth related) to infiltrate and destroy xenos threats.
The one thing we have to realize about humanity is that everyone is corruptable, aside from the emperor himself. Even the gray knights under very . . . very rare circumstances have caught some of the taint. I don't think any gray knight
has ever turned to chaos or been turned enough to the need to be purged some have felt the temptation or taint.
The Emperor is absolutely corruptible. The current state of the Imperium is largely owed to the poopstorm that resulted from the Emperor making a deal with warp entities for the warp essence needed to make the Primarchs. Maybe he didn't fall to Chaos, but he absolutely made deals with them. In that sense, he's about as pure as a radical Inquisitor who binds daemons as servants.
Given that Fulgrim was a floating blob of energy when they first found his pod, I think your right about this, some deal was possibly made with the gods, if not then the warp was used in the creation of the primarchs at least.
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2018/05/17 14:17:35
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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This new fluff is horrenduous...
But yeah, deathwatch are "just" marines, so can fall to Chaos (a pretty interesting concept, Chaos xenos hunters !).
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2018/05/17 14:18:54
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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godardc wrote:This new fluff is horrenduous...
But yeah, deathwatch are "just" marines, so can fall to Chaos (a pretty interesting concept, Chaos xenos hunters !).
WHIch new fluff?
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2018/05/18 20:46:44
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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I could see an Inquisitor falling to Chaos and taking his kill-team with him as well. Given how little oversight there is over inquisitorial activities, an Inquisitor turned to the Ruinous Powers carefully could turn the marines over the course of years.
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40k drinking game: take a shot everytime a book references Skitarii using transports.
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2018/05/18 21:03:35
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Fixture of Dakka
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If anything I'd say they're more vulnerable. Blade of Asaheim makes it seem like they have to do some traumatic thing and working so closely with other Marines makes them ask questions anyway. Questions lead to Chaos.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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2018/05/23 09:25:17
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Depends on what they experience.
If they spend all their time fighting Orks, Tyrannids or Necrons I doubt it - that is usually a pretty cut and dry alien threat. If they spend all their time fighting Genestealer Cults, Dark Eldar, T'au or Eldar who have a history of being neutral or even allies to the Imperium Chaos gets its footholds.
Mercy Killings, Revenge Killings and Threat Extermination are never cut and dry.
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2018/05/23 11:46:38
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Formosa wrote: godardc wrote:This new fluff is horrenduous... But yeah, deathwatch are "just" marines, so can fall to Chaos (a pretty interesting concept, Chaos xenos hunters !). WHIch new fluff? The Emperor at Molech making deal with Chaos gods, this kind of stupid gak. IIRC, before he was just a brillant scientist doing stuff with his team in his secret lab. Now what, he NEEDED Chaos help ? Isn't this new stuff ? Dakka Wolf wrote:Depends on what they experience. If they spend all their time fighting Orks, Tyrannids or Necrons I doubt it - that is usually a pretty cut and dry alien threat. If they spend all their time fighting Genestealer Cults, Dark Eldar, T'au or Eldar who have a history of being neutral or even allies to the Imperium Chaos gets its footholds. Mercy Killings, Revenge Killings and Threat Extermination are never cut and dry. I don't get it, why and how marines would be more prone to corruption by killing dark eldars than by killing orks ? Could you please tell us more ?
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2018/05/23 12:09:09
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Fixture of Dakka
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My understanding was the Primarchs being infused with Warp magic was old news.
Dark Eldar are much more involved in Chaos than Orks. They seem much more likely to drag corruption into the affair.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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2018/05/23 12:41:22
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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godardc wrote: Formosa wrote: godardc wrote:This new fluff is horrenduous...
But yeah, deathwatch are "just" marines, so can fall to Chaos (a pretty interesting concept, Chaos xenos hunters !).
WHIch new fluff?
The Emperor at Molech making deal with Chaos gods, this kind of stupid gak. IIRC, before he was just a brillant scientist doing stuff with his team in his secret lab. Now what, he NEEDED Chaos help ?
Isn't this new stuff ?
Dakka Wolf wrote:Depends on what they experience.
If they spend all their time fighting Orks, Tyrannids or Necrons I doubt it - that is usually a pretty cut and dry alien threat. If they spend all their time fighting Genestealer Cults, Dark Eldar, T'au or Eldar who have a history of being neutral or even allies to the Imperium Chaos gets its footholds.
Mercy Killings, Revenge Killings and Threat Extermination are never cut and dry.
I don't get it, why and how marines would be more prone to corruption by killing dark eldars than by killing orks ? Could you please tell us more ?
Orks leave a mess but they leave an honest one.
Dark Eldar torture for fun.
By chasing revenge for the trail of mutilated and clearly tortured bodies the Dark Eldar leave behind them knowing damn well they'll be found I'm betting even the most brainwashed Marine will start to brood on the evidence, believe that their brothers aren't doing enough, don't care enough, don't hate enough to stop the Dark Eldar faster.
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I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go. |
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2018/05/23 12:51:53
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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gnome_idea_what wrote:I could see an Inquisitor falling to Chaos and taking his kill-team with him as well. Given how little oversight there is over inquisitorial activities, an Inquisitor turned to the Ruinous Powers carefully could turn the marines over the course of years.
Voice of Mars has a Kill-Team lead by an Inquisitor who is actually...
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2018/05/23 15:19:20
Subject: Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Fixture of Dakka
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That is not a real thing. Right?
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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2018/05/23 20:38:43
Subject: Re:Can Deathwatch fall to Chaos?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Ice King Nexion wrote:I wouldn't call them veterans at least not all of them as they are hand picked by the inquisition to be part of the death watch if they choose so. No one ever really disregards the offer as it is an honor to be picked.
Black shields are the exception and have forsaken their chapter or have a small taint to chaos and indeed wish to repent. Though that is not to say that they are not corruptable. The Deathwatch are for lack of a better term
the black ops of the space marines. They go on secret missions (usually stealth related) to infiltrate and destroy xenos threats.
The one thing we have to realize about humanity is that everyone is corruptable, aside from the emperor himself. Even the gray knights under very . . . very rare circumstances have caught some of the taint. I don't think any gray knight
has ever turned to chaos or been turned enough to the need to be purged some have felt the temptation or taint.
To make specific case of grey knights potentially getting corrupted, Crowe's sword the black blade of antwyr is powerful enough to make it so that even purifiers can't stay around for to long
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1650 points approx. of deathwatch
2500 points aprox. of alpha legion and thousand sons
50 power admech
60 power salamanders
70 power thousand sons
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