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Any thoughts on the reconfirmation that The Emperor is the size of a regular man? I guess his final showdown with Horus will be CGI Yoda style. lol
   
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The Emperor is whatever size he wants to be.

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BrianDavion wrote:
The Emperor is whatever size he wants to be.


Yeah, he had magnus level abilities to manipulate his size.
He a human avatar of a god effectively..

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In the novel Dark Imperium, Guilliman had trouble remembering the Emperor's size. He had seemingly contradictory memories of the Emperor being regular human sized, but also of others where they stood shoulder to shoulder.
   
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Iracundus wrote:
In the novel Dark Imperium, Guilliman had trouble remembering the Emperor's size. He had seemingly contradictory memories of the Emperor being regular human sized, but also of others where they stood shoulder to shoulder.



Pure conjecture here.

Given the emperors psychic might, one would assume he has mastery of all of the old disciplines from 7th and more besides, so telepathy could explain his size differences, he makes you see him as he wants you to see him, also biomamcy could allow him to literally change size and shape, a more powerful version of what phosis tkar (the tsons biomamcer IIRC) can do.

I also think his armour is partly or wholly psychic in nature as in several books he seems to literally conjure it onto himself, from where the didn’t say so it could have been sitting around or built from matter at his will, something we know he can do to a certain extent as he literally formed matter to repair an imperial knights knee in mechanicum. “Machine heal thyself”
   
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 BigbyWolf wrote:
Any thoughts on the reconfirmation that The Emperor is the size of a regular man? I guess his final showdown with Horus will be CGI Yoda style. lol


Could you perhaps summarise the relevant part?

In any case, I think Emperor being a normal human sized is way cooler to me. Imperium is not Orks, most powerful people don't need to be biggest. I see him more as a Jedi Knight or a wizard rather than Incredible Hulk.


   
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I honestly expect the bulk of the fight between the emperor and horus to be Pyskic in nature. which is why what Russ did in Wolfsbane was so important.
Spoiler:
by weakening chaos' grip on Horus, he's allowed the seed of doubt into Horus' mind

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 Formosa wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
In the novel Dark Imperium, Guilliman had trouble remembering the Emperor's size. He had seemingly contradictory memories of the Emperor being regular human sized, but also of others where they stood shoulder to shoulder.



Pure conjecture here.

Given the emperors psychic might, one would assume he has mastery of all of the old disciplines from 7th and more besides, so telepathy could explain his size differences, he makes you see him as he wants you to see him, also biomamcy could allow him to literally change size and shape, a more powerful version of what phosis tkar (the tsons biomamcer IIRC) can do.

I also think his armour is partly or wholly psychic in nature as in several books he seems to literally conjure it onto himself, from where the didn’t say so it could have been sitting around or built from matter at his will, something we know he can do to a certain extent as he literally formed matter to repair an imperial knights knee in mechanicum. “Machine heal thyself”


At the end of Hammer of Olympia Perturabo says something like "His father was the size of a typical man but his majesty made it feel like he was standing in the presence of a giant" regarding the Emperor.
   
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 BigbyWolf wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
In the novel Dark Imperium, Guilliman had trouble remembering the Emperor's size. He had seemingly contradictory memories of the Emperor being regular human sized, but also of others where they stood shoulder to shoulder.



Pure conjecture here.

Given the emperors psychic might, one would assume he has mastery of all of the old disciplines from 7th and more besides, so telepathy could explain his size differences, he makes you see him as he wants you to see him, also biomamcy could allow him to literally change size and shape, a more powerful version of what phosis tkar (the tsons biomamcer IIRC) can do.

I also think his armour is partly or wholly psychic in nature as in several books he seems to literally conjure it onto himself, from where the didn’t say so it could have been sitting around or built from matter at his will, something we know he can do to a certain extent as he literally formed matter to repair an imperial knights knee in mechanicum. “Machine heal thyself”


At the end of Hammer of Olympia Perturabo says something like "His father was the size of a typical man but his majesty made it feel like he was standing in the presence of a giant" regarding the Emperor.



True, but that’s not how he appeared to Russ, lorgar, corax, Magnus, Horus etc. Etc. He literally looks different ... but the same, to all of them.
   
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That's just what Perturabo 'perceived'. Vulkan saw the Emperor as an old man - human sized and at other times he saw him as a warrior like in the artwork. Corax once asked the emperor if this was his real face and the Emperor said "I never had a face." I think the Emperor is more of an intangible being rather than 'human' or 'Primarch' size etc.

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We've known for certain* since Master of Mankind that the Emperor just looks like a tired old human without his psychic glamour. Because that's how the Sisters of Silence see him.

The really interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that the SoS follow him and pretty much worship him anyway, even though they are utterly unaffected by his psychic shenanigans. He presumably convinced them of the rightness/necessity of his mission the good old fashioned way, without any need to fool them by looking like a demigod. Sets him up to be potentially more than just the powerhungry hypocrite sorcerer he sometimes seems.

* As much as anything is 'certain' in BL fiction.

A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry. 
   
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I've heard regardless of what height he is, His hands are abnormally small.
   
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 Duskweaver wrote:
We've known for certain* since Master of Mankind that the Emperor just looks like a tired old human without his psychic glamour. Because that's how the Sisters of Silence see him.

The really interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that the SoS follow him and pretty much worship him anyway, even though they are utterly unaffected by his psychic shenanigans. He presumably convinced them of the rightness/necessity of his mission the good old fashioned way, without any need to fool them by looking like a demigod. Sets him up to be potentially more than just the powerhungry hypocrite sorcerer he sometimes seems.

* As much as anything is 'certain' in BL fiction.


I thought he was unaffected by the SOS.
   
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 Duskweaver wrote:
We've known for certain* since Master of Mankind that the Emperor just looks like a tired old human without his psychic glamour. Because that's how the Sisters of Silence see him.

The really interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that the SoS follow him and pretty much worship him anyway, even though they are utterly unaffected by his psychic shenanigans. He presumably convinced them of the rightness/necessity of his mission the good old fashioned way, without any need to fool them by looking like a demigod. Sets him up to be potentially more than just the powerhungry hypocrite sorcerer he sometimes seems.

* As much as anything is 'certain' in BL fiction.


I don’t know if I agree, I think his psychic side is as much a part of him as his physical body. I don’t think of him as a sorcerer casting a glamour to hide what he looks like. For me it’s like his soul is so powerful it can’t be contained by a body, so people see his soul and interpret it through the prism of their own expectations. So I’d say the sisters don’t see the real emperor, I’d say they only see part of him whilst everyone else can only see the parts that they can’t. There’s probably nobody who can see the emperor in his totally as he truly is, no the other hand maybe Sanguinius can as he’s said to have much the same numinous quality to a lesser degree. That would be an interesting idea if true.

But maybe I’m wrong as I took a long break from the Heresy books and I’m still catching up.

But I do agree it’s interesting that the sisters are so devoted to him despite not seeing his psychic side.
   
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That's probably why he had to brainwash the SoS the most thorough.

I mean Hitler or Napoleon didn't use psychic powers. Never underestimate sheer force of personality.

Master of mankind makes it very clear everyone ses the emperor differently. I'm gna go with the sisters as seeing what he physically looks like when all psychics fall away.

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 Duskweaver wrote:
We've known for certain* since Master of Mankind that the Emperor just looks like a tired old human without his psychic glamour. Because that's how the Sisters of Silence see him.

The really interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that the SoS follow him and pretty much worship him anyway, even though they are utterly unaffected by his psychic shenanigans. He presumably convinced them of the rightness/necessity of his mission the good old fashioned way, without any need to fool them by looking like a demigod. Sets him up to be potentially more than just the powerhungry hypocrite sorcerer he sometimes seems.

* As much as anything is 'certain' in BL fiction.


Tired old man yes...

Tired old man who could force entire legions to kneel with his powers alone, and destroy souls.

Even if he was... He was a demi god level power so its likely his body was in form but not in function and dramatic ly tougher and stronger than it looked.

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BrianDavion wrote:
I honestly expect the bulk of the fight between the emperor and horus to be Pyskic in nature. which is why what Russ did in Wolfsbane was so important.
Spoiler:
by weakening chaos' grip on Horus, he's allowed the seed of doubt into Horus' mind


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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Duskweaver wrote:
We've known for certain* since Master of Mankind that the Emperor just looks like a tired old human without his psychic glamour. Because that's how the Sisters of Silence see him.

The really interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that the SoS follow him and pretty much worship him anyway, even though they are utterly unaffected by his psychic shenanigans. He presumably convinced them of the rightness/necessity of his mission the good old fashioned way, without any need to fool them by looking like a demigod. Sets him up to be potentially more than just the powerhungry hypocrite sorcerer he sometimes seems.

* As much as anything is 'certain' in BL fiction.


I thought he was unaffected by the SOS.


He may be unaffected by them, but they're also unaffected by him. They're immune to his 'psychic glamour', so they see him as he physically is, absent any psychic mischief. In a psychic void, he appears as a tired old man. With his full power, he appears in a variety of ways... depending largely, I would imagine, on how he wants to be seen combined with the thoughts, feelings and preconceived notions of those seeing him.

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keep in mind at the time she looked at him he'd been sitting on the golden throne trying to keep the astrnomicion lit AND stop all hell (literally) from breaking lose in the under dungeon. so he was proably a bit tired yeah

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BrianDavion wrote:
keep in mind at the time she looked at him he'd been sitting on the golden throne trying to keep the astrnomicion lit AND stop all hell (literally) from breaking lose in the under dungeon. so he was proably a bit tired yeah


Fair. I'm sure that after a nice nap and some tea he looks like a generally alert old man.

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 Kriswall wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
keep in mind at the time she looked at him he'd been sitting on the golden throne trying to keep the astrnomicion lit AND stop all hell (literally) from breaking lose in the under dungeon. so he was proably a bit tired yeah


Fair. I'm sure that after a nice nap and some tea he looks like a generally alert old man.



And that makes me think of the marine drinking tea in the eisenhorn book.... pinky extended of course
   
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 Formosa wrote:
 Kriswall wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
keep in mind at the time she looked at him he'd been sitting on the golden throne trying to keep the astrnomicion lit AND stop all hell (literally) from breaking lose in the under dungeon. so he was proably a bit tired yeah


Fair. I'm sure that after a nice nap and some tea he looks like a generally alert old man.



And that makes me think of the marine drinking tea in the eisenhorn book.... pinky extended of course


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 jhe90 wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
 Kriswall wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
keep in mind at the time she looked at him he'd been sitting on the golden throne trying to keep the astrnomicion lit AND stop all hell (literally) from breaking lose in the under dungeon. so he was proably a bit tired yeah


Fair. I'm sure that after a nice nap and some tea he looks like a generally alert old man.



And that makes me think of the marine drinking tea in the eisenhorn book.... pinky extended of course


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I believe that the emperor is regular human sized; akin to malcador, but he is so powerful that he makes himself appear differently for every person. Every primarch could perceive him as looking different. The emperor was created by the merging souls of human shamans so he should look no different.

 
   
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"‘Is this your true face?’ asked Corax. ‘I have no such thing,’ replied the Emperor. ‘I have worn a million faces over the millennia, according to need or whim.’"

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Yall are probably right about the Emperor being able to grow. I just remembered the sword Roboute gets in Gathering Storm is clearly stated to be the Emperor's Sword and it looks a lil big even for him...

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Humans perceive the Emperor as they imagine Him to be.

The SoS may indeed perceive Him to be a frail old man, but that is only because that is what He allows them to see.
   
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 Duskweaver wrote:
We've known for certain* since Master of Mankind that the Emperor just looks like a tired old human without his psychic glamour. Because that's how the Sisters of Silence see him.

The really interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that the SoS follow him and pretty much worship him anyway, even though they are utterly unaffected by his psychic shenanigans. He presumably convinced them of the rightness/necessity of his mission the good old fashioned way, without any need to fool them by looking like a demigod. Sets him up to be potentially more than just the powerhungry hypocrite sorcerer he sometimes seems.

* As much as anything is 'certain' in BL fiction.


No he doesn't, they merely say he looks like a man without a halo or light etc. He could still be the size of Primarchs as the Emperor always refers to the Primarchs as just 'men' in comparison to him. He also isn't old, the sisters saw him as young with a constant look of horror and silent scream due to the agonies he'd incurred due to protecting mankind.
   
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I think his appearance is a bit more convoluted than a simple 'He's an old geezer who projects however he wants to appear into people's mind'.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that's a huge part of his appearance. But it should also be remembered that he's effectively a warp god manifested in the flesh. Even the most basic of Chaos spawn drawing on warp energy can twist and mutate its body according to the whims of itself or the Dark Gods; healing and generating extra limbs. I'd consequently expect the Emperor to be able to change his physical appearance at will in the same manner.

Remember, he fought alongside Horus against the Orks and wrestled with Russ. Psychic power or no, you need a certain degree of physical reach to wield a sword of the size Guilliman borrowed. Your psychic strength doesn't matter much if your fingers can't wrap all the way around the hilt, or if Horus' weapon only needed to go three inches into your body to effectively decapitate you. There's just too many problems with him only staying the size of Malcador for it to be a feasible complete explanation.

No, I daresay he's got basic shapeshifting capabilities. He might return to the shape of a tired old man when he's tired and feeling a bit deflated (perhaps that's the closest thing he has to an original form), but when the time for war comes? He pumps up some giant pecs and a few extra hearts, has the Mechanicus fit some hench armour around his newly buff form, and strides out to do battle.

'And lo, did the Emperor did examine his newly rippling pectoral muscles and proudly exclaim, "Bitching!" before going forth to smote the non-believer'
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 Ketara wrote:
I think his appearance is a bit more convoluted than a simple 'He's an old geezer who projects however he wants to appear into people's mind'.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that's a huge part of his appearance. But it should also be remembered that he's effectively a warp god manifested in the flesh. Even the most basic of Chaos spawn drawing on warp energy can twist and mutate its body according to the whims of itself or the Dark Gods; healing and generating extra limbs. I'd consequently expect the Emperor to be able to change his physical appearance at will in the same manner.

Remember, he fought alongside Horus against the Orks and wrestled with Russ. Psychic power or no, you need a certain degree of physical reach to wield a sword of the size Guilliman borrowed. Your psychic strength doesn't matter much if your fingers can't wrap all the way around the hilt, or if Horus' weapon only needed to go three inches into your body to effectively decapitate you. There's just too many problems with him only staying the size of Malcador for it to be a feasible complete explanation.

No, I daresay he's got basic shapeshifting capabilities. He might return to the shape of a tired old man when he's tired and feeling a bit deflated (perhaps that's the closest thing he has to an original form), but when the time for war comes? He pumps up some giant pecs and a few extra hearts, has the Mechanicus fit some hench armour around his newly buff form, and strides out to do battle.

'And lo, did the Emperor did examine his newly rippling pectoral muscles and proudly exclaim, "Bitching!" before going forth to smote the non-believer'
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Well he's probably the most powerful biomancer to ever live, so Iike you I fully expect him to be able to shapeshift to an incredible degree
   
 
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