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Hi lads !

So, a few weeks ago, I asked for help choosing a 40k army, hot some great advices, I ended up playing Necrons, and I love them.

Now, I'm asking for your advices on AOS, on armies I can't really choose between, they all look fantastic.
Here's my "criteras"

-Easy to paint (I like washes, I suck really hard at edge highlighting...well I just suck at painting)
-No soups, the sole Idea of having to use 2-3 army books for the same army annoys me already.
-Well rounded/easy to play if possible ( I like having armies where I can melee, shoot and use Magic)

Here's the armies I really like the look.

-Stormcast
-Seraphons
-Daughters of Khaine
-Classic Chaos (I think they're called Slaves to Darkness?)
-Khorne Bloodhounds
-Sylvaneth
-Malignants

Any advices is obviously appreciated.

Thank you in advance !

: 2500pts
Nighthaunts : 2250pts
SCE : 2000pts 
   
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A few thoughts

1) Soups. Sigmar works a bit differently to how Warhammer used too. Many factions were broken down into smaller subfactions (and then steadily GW is bolstering them up with new units). However the way points work you basically have a grand alliance (eg order or chaos); but within that each army has its own limited range of factions it can draw allies from - so for example Daughters of Khaine can basically only draw allies from Sigmar and the factions that were once all under the Umbrella of "dark elves" and the new sea-elves. So they can't draw allies from high elves etc..

However in a 2K point game you can only take 400 points of allies - so allies are much more a subtle addition rather than taking a vast chunk of them. So you should be fine using a single army without much trouble (indeed many times its hard to work out where to fit allies in)

2) Painting is often as complex as a person wants it to be; even quite detailed models can have a simpler pattern applied with the right colours (as you've likely found with Necrons, even a highly detailed necron can be simplified with a metal coat of paint and a few touch ups here and there).

3) Stormcast would likely be the most well-rounded army in all areas. Many others have specialist areas that they focus upon. Eg Daughters of Khaine have some good archer snakes and magic but their prime focus is dashing forward and slicing into combat.

4) Sometimes if you're picking an army visually one good way is to head over to the GW website and pull up a new browser tab for every unit/model in a single army. Then go through them one at a time and close the tab on any you dislike. At the end if you've only got a couple of tabs then you can better see that perhaps you don't like all the army as much as you think (esp if you've only got a couple of unique units showing and you've "disliked" core troop choices).
Of course if you find you've got most of the tabs open and especially if you like core troop choices (I say this because you'll buy, build and paint more of them than most other things) then it tells you that you really do like that faction.

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Stormcasts looks great, but they do not have spellcasters right?

: 2500pts
Nighthaunts : 2250pts
SCE : 2000pts 
   
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Arctosa wrote:
Stormcasts looks great, but they do not have spellcasters right?

not now but they will very soon.

while becoming a default boring reply, you cant go wrong whit stormcast as your first army in AoS.
they are a good army to learn the game with and they have a little bit of everything. mele units, ranged units, defence units, offencive units, some decent heroes, and a big ass monster(read dragon)
and sinse they look like space marines, they are very easy to paint.

plus they usualy get some solid boxes offering desent savings.

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Arctosa wrote:
-No soups, the sole Idea of having to use 2-3 army books for the same army annoys me already.


Soup does not work in AoS like it does in 40k. You can only have one allegiance, which means the core of your army rotates around the allegiance abilities of one book.

For example, you could run a generic Order army using the Order traits and artefacts from the General's Handbook, granting you access to a huge array of units (who's profile you can download for free with the AoS app), or you can run a Daughters of Khaine army using the allegiance abilities in that book, and maybe ally in a stormcast or something, again using the free warscrolls on the app. The only exclusive stuff in the battletomes are army relevant lore, and the abilities and artefacts you get if that army is your 'main'.

   
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Stormcast. Easy to paint. Broken powerful and OP if you want them to be. They have pretty much every base covered. Will be getting spellcasters.

They really are the space marines of AOS.
   
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Thanks lads, sounds good, I was very interested in Seraphons..
But the saurus models are so old....

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Nighthaunts : 2250pts
SCE : 2000pts 
   
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I wanted to enter AOS with Seraphons too but the models were old and a lot of factions are getting restarted.
So still we don't know if we will see new models in the new edition or if they are a dead branch.

If you like Stormcast you are lucky, they have all the characteristics you are searching for. And already have a lot of models.
The only thing, i found them a pain in the arse to assemble. But may be it's just me.

I finally got Deepkin and quite happy for now.

2000+

Idoneth Deepkin: 1000+
Daughters of Khaine: 1000 
   
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Arctosa wrote:
-Easy to paint (I like washes, I suck really hard at edge highlighting...well I just suck at painting)



I know this wasn't in your list but what about the new Night Haughts? Spelling? Even the proper name? Sorry I am bad with names. The new units in the starter set coming out that are not Stormcast Eternals. Those should be done very well with washes especially now that GW is coming out with two new washes.

Just an idea.

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Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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they can be done nicely and extremly fast with what allready exists: whit primer then green glaze, blue glaze or nihillakh oxide, all depending on your taste, finish whit white drybrush.
thouse new washes are completely unessesary for GW to make.

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Yes, now I'm actually tempted to go for these Night Haunts/Malignants... They look great and easy to paint, and very elitish.

Also, looks like they're already a lot of stormcast players...
I'm gonna look into, see if the Malignant gameplay catch my interest.

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Nighthaunts : 2250pts
SCE : 2000pts 
   
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You could buy the entire box set and start both, expanding whenever you want. You'd only need a few boxes to make 2 1k armies, and they wouldn't be bad either.

For £95 it's a steal, and you get the full rulebook.

 insaniak wrote:

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One thing that always gets me when choosing a faction is what models I like vs what models actually end up on the table. Very curious to see what kind of armies actually make the table.

Most recently I was pretty heartbroken to find out the Alliance of Sea and Wood was kind of a joke. An army with a bunch of Treelords and Eidolons could win me over if it was any good.

My big quandry is just the difference between liking models and liking armies. I like some Stormcast, and Sylvenath, and Fyreslayers, and Deepkin, and Ironjawz, and Night Haunts, but I'm not at all sure what I'd actually want to own/paint 2000+ points of.
   
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I'm just starting to get into AoS and having the same problem as well!I'm not fully familiar with the etiquette of Dakkadakka yet, but in other forums I have used they have encouraged using similar threads instead of making new ones, so I was hoping you lads could give me some advice as well, if I was supposed to make a new thread, i'll delete this comment and do that.

So I really liked the look of the Idoneth Deepkin, but the "Tides of Death" sounds super gimmicky and frustrating to play with.
I like the look of the new models in the upcoming starter box (The ghost guys, sorry I don't know their names) but i'm fairly sure they are quite slow which I hate.
No Slaanesh or other armies which feature lots of revealing clothes, it's just awkward imo, also no Skaven as my friend is playing as them.
I don't want them to be melee-obsessed, I am not a fan if slow armies and other than that I don't really mind.

Cheers for any help! Sorry if I was supposed to make a new thread.

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I definately recommend Seraphon for starters, because the new summoning rules are really on their side. Plus, they are army like no other (an aelv is an aelv).

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I'm calling it: seraphon summoning is going to be one of the new busted once again.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 LunarSol wrote:
One thing that always gets me when choosing a faction is what models I like vs what models actually end up on the table. Very curious to see what kind of armies actually make the table.

Most recently I was pretty heartbroken to find out the Alliance of Sea and Wood was kind of a joke. An army with a bunch of Treelords and Eidolons could win me over if it was any good.

My big quandry is just the difference between liking models and liking armies. I like some Stormcast, and Sylvenath, and Fyreslayers, and Deepkin, and Ironjawz, and Night Haunts, but I'm not at all sure what I'd actually want to own/paint 2000+ points of.

The issue with this is that you're going off a Warscroll Battalion, not an actual list.

You want an army with a bunch of Treelords and Eidolons? Go for it. It's going to be difficult as hell to do because of points and battleline requirements but it's not undoable.
   
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Yeah, I know next to nothing about the army building rules. Just toying with armies out of curiosity more than anything. This is tempting as something that happened to fit in the builder, but I have no idea if its good, not entirely sure its legal and will be changing in a week anyway. Still, something I'd consider buying into if its at all workable:

Allegiance: Order
Treelord Ancient (300)
Branchwych (80)
Eidolon of Mathlann, Aspect of the Storm (400)
- Allies
10 x Dryads (100)
10 x Dryads (100)
10 x Dryads (100)
3 x Kurnoth Hunters (220)
- Scythes
3 x Kurnoth Hunters (220)
- Scythes
Treelord (240)
Treelord (240)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Allies: 400 / 400
Wounds: 113
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Yeah...it looks pretty good.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
Allegiance: Order
Treelord Ancient (300)
Branchwych (80)
Eidolon of Mathlann, Aspect of the Storm (400)
- Allies
10 x Dryads (100)
10 x Dryads (100)
10 x Dryads (100)
3 x Kurnoth Hunters (220)
- Scythes
3 x Kurnoth Hunters (220)
- Scythes
Treelord (240)
Treelord (240)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Allies: 400 / 400
Wounds: 113


It's a perfectly legal list, the only critique I'd offer is you have a lot of points sunk in the Monsters and the battleline units are suffering because of it. If you scrap the regular treelord you can use the points to take a couple units of tree revenants to clear out pesky backfielders and a unit of spite revenants to bump enemy battleshock. Thus having more battleline you can clump up those dryads into one squad of 30,who are now collectively tougher than the sum of their parts and cheaper too (plus you can use inspiring presence on them to make them last), and with the points you've saved there you could scrap the other treelord for an arguably much nastier Drycha.

   
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Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep it in my pocket and see what changes next week (or tomorrow I guess). Tempted though. It's a lot of pretty models.
   
 
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