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My first attempt at a Knight list. I already own 3 Knights and plan to get either a Dominus or 2 more Knights from the Renegade box.



++ Super-Heavy Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [95 PL, 1743pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

[Reference] Burdens (All)

[Reference] Qualities (All)

[Reference] Warlord Traits (All)

Heirlooms of the Household: Heirlooms of the Household: 1 Extra Heirloom (-1CP)

Household Choice
. Questor Mechanicus: House Vulker

+ Lord of War +

Knight Errant [22 PL, 395pts]: Heavy stubber, Reaper chainsword, Thermal cannon

Knight Gallant [20 PL, 354pts]: Heavy stubber, Reaper chainsword, Thunderstrike gauntlet

Knight Valiant [30 PL, 583pts]
. One Siegebreaker Cannon & Four Shieldbreaker Missiles: 4x Shieldbreaker Missile, Twin Siegebreaker Cannon

Knight Warden [23 PL, 411pts]: Heavy stubber, Heirloom: Endless Fury, Reaper chainsword
. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Character: Warlord

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Titanicus) ++

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [16 PL, 220pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Kurov's Aquila, Laspistol

Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

++ Total: [111 PL, 1963pts] ++

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The Guard are there for the traditional "+5CP and Kurov's Aquilla" combo. The Gallant can arrive closer to enemy lines due to our strategem, but I still have 37 points to fill out. With that I have a few questions:

- is it worth taking the Valiant or Castellan? I want to be absolutely sure before I buy one.
- Should I take any carapace weapons, or use the points to bulk out the Guard a bit more?
   
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I prefer castellan more, because of its ranged firepower (afterall, knights are naturally better shooting than melee with Ws/bs comparisong). And castellan fits nicely with my guard gunline, providing some essential anti-tank shooting. Btw, is that stratagem (the one that allows Knight deploy behind enemy lines), House vulker only?

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Ah you're right in that the Strategem is only for Imperium houses, whereas Vulker is a Mechanicus one, will have to reconsider that.

As for the Castellan however, the Plasma weapon seems rather lacklustre. If I were to take it I would probably be inclined to stick with Vulker for that extra bit of protection against the Mortals.
   
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Ok so I've made some changes to the list, decided to go for the Castellan over the Valiant, mainly due to the longer ranges; while the Harpoon looks absolutely evil, 12" is too close for my liking.

Also still stuck on which House to choose, I'm thinking Raven for the advance+shoot Heavies bonus, but Vulker for increased accuracy may also be a good idea.

Additionally, I'm stuck between two Relics to choose from; Endless Fury or Cawl's Wrath. The extra shots and exploding 6's from Fury is nice, but Cawl's Wrath gives my plasma the supercharge stats while remaining safe, and the S9 D3 profile is even better, although it's still only 2D6 shots. Which should I go for, or a different one entirely?

Thoughts?
   
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I'm thinking about House raven, for castellan (their stratagem is super-hot), and with cawls wrath. Suddenly, those 2d6 shots are way much deadlier.

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Can anyone please explain why you can use both a IK relic and an IG relic in the same list? I thought you could only use a relic in the same detachment as you have you're warlord in.

Also, can you use a warlord trait for both the IK and the IG part of the army?

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 Valkyrie wrote:
Ah you're right in that the Strategem is only for Imperium houses, whereas Vulker is a Mechanicus one, will have to reconsider that.

As for the Castellan however, the Plasma weapon seems rather lacklustre. If I were to take it I would probably be inclined to stick with Vulker for that extra bit of protection against the Mortals.

It's not lackluster with the relic. Gotta be mechanic for that though.

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 Xenomancers wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
Ah you're right in that the Strategem is only for Imperium houses, whereas Vulker is a Mechanicus one, will have to reconsider that.

As for the Castellan however, the Plasma weapon seems rather lacklustre. If I were to take it I would probably be inclined to stick with Vulker for that extra bit of protection against the Mortals.

It's not lackluster with the relic. Gotta be mechanic for that though.


I've noticed that seems to be a running trend; Cawl's Wrath with the Raven strategem. Have done some mathhammer against some of the competitive list I've come up against in the past and it's a good combo.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
Ah you're right in that the Strategem is only for Imperium houses, whereas Vulker is a Mechanicus one, will have to reconsider that.

As for the Castellan however, the Plasma weapon seems rather lacklustre. If I were to take it I would probably be inclined to stick with Vulker for that extra bit of protection against the Mortals.

It's not lackluster with the relic. Gotta be mechanic for that though.


I've noticed that seems to be a running trend; Cawl's Wrath with the Raven strategem. Have done some mathhammer against some of the competitive list I've come up against in the past and it's a good combo.


But isnt Hawkshroud even better on a castellian ? basically doubling wounds to keep shooting is pretty good.

 
   
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 zedsdead wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
Ah you're right in that the Strategem is only for Imperium houses, whereas Vulker is a Mechanicus one, will have to reconsider that.

As for the Castellan however, the Plasma weapon seems rather lacklustre. If I were to take it I would probably be inclined to stick with Vulker for that extra bit of protection against the Mortals.

It's not lackluster with the relic. Gotta be mechanic for that though.


I've noticed that seems to be a running trend; Cawl's Wrath with the Raven strategem. Have done some mathhammer against some of the competitive list I've come up against in the past and it's a good combo.


But isnt Hawkshroud even better on a castellian ? basically doubling wounds to keep shooting is pretty good.


Hawkshroud looks good, but the Relic and Strategem don't seem as appealing as the Raven one.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:


The Guard are there for the traditional "+5CP and Kurov's Aquilla" combo. The Gallant can arrive closer to enemy lines due to our strategem, but I still have 37 points to fill out. With that I have a few questions:


Is this combo legit? I looked up the IG Relics this morning and found out than in order to take this relic you'r warlord must be Astra Militarum. But if one of the company commanders is you'r warlord than you can't make one of you'r knights a warlord so you miss out on the knight warlord traits and relics. How does this work?
   
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faithonwings wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:


The Guard are there for the traditional "+5CP and Kurov's Aquilla" combo. The Gallant can arrive closer to enemy lines due to our strategem, but I still have 37 points to fill out. With that I have a few questions:


Is this combo legit? I looked up the IG Relics this morning and found out than in order to take this relic you'r warlord must be Astra Militarum. But if one of the company commanders is you'r warlord than you can't make one of you'r knights a warlord so you miss out on the knight warlord traits and relics. How does this work?


I'll be honest I'm not 100% sure, I've seen it going around a few times but I may be mistaken.
   
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If you are going for an AM CP Battery then one of your AM Company Commanders will usually be Warlord + free relic i.e. Grand Strategist + Kurov's Aquila.

You then use the Imperial Knight stratagems Heirlooms of the Household and Exalted Court to give one (2CP) or two (6CP) Knights Relics + Warlord Traits.

If it were me I would also go for the Castellan instead of the Valiant, skip carapace weapons. Take out one guard squad and replace one Company Commander for a Primaris Psyker for some psychic boost.

Something to consider:
Put your Castellan in a Super Heavy Auxiliary Detachment as Raven to get access to Cawl's wrath and the Raven Stratagem. It won't benefit from the Raven tradition but you get the strat.
Put the rest of your Knights in a Knight Lance Super Heavy Detachment with whatever House you like the benefits of e.g. Hawkshroud.

Or just put them all in Raven. Anyways should be 14 CP before relics/stratagems.
   
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faithonwings wrote:
Can anyone please explain why you can use both a IK relic and an IG relic in the same list? I thought you could only use a relic in the same detachment as you have you're warlord in.

Also, can you use a warlord trait for both the IK and the IG part of the army?



No you get one FREE relic for the detachment with warlord. You can however use STRATEGEMS to get additional relics on any detachment. so use the extra relic strategem for knight detachment and you get knight relics.


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faithonwings wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:


The Guard are there for the traditional "+5CP and Kurov's Aquilla" combo. The Gallant can arrive closer to enemy lines due to our strategem, but I still have 37 points to fill out. With that I have a few questions:


Is this combo legit? I looked up the IG Relics this morning and found out than in order to take this relic you'r warlord must be Astra Militarum. But if one of the company commanders is you'r warlord than you can't make one of you'r knights a warlord so you miss out on the knight warlord traits and relics. How does this work?


Yes but knights have strategems to get relics(1CP for 1, 3CP for 2) and likewise uniquely to them they can get also warlord traits by strategem for same price. So for 2 CP you can have 1 of both, 6CP and 2 of both.


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 zedsdead wrote:
But isnt Hawkshroud even better on a castellian ? basically doubling wounds to keep shooting is pretty good.


Hawkshround is nice but ability to reroll every single 1(number of shots, to hit, to wound, damage) is awesome for castellan with cawl's wrath and for 1CP you shoot up at full strength anyway. That thing can blow repulsor and leman russ dead in one turn with fairly good chance and still have carapace weapons and meltas left(maybe to ensure the leman russ sized vehicle dies to the cawl's wrath as that's the most likely to survive)

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So if I'm correct the CP will go like this:

+3 for Battleforged
+6 for Knight detachment
+5 for Guard batallion

-1 for extra Relic
-1 for Knight character

=12

Is this correct?
   
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tneva82 wrote:

No you get one FREE relic for the detachment with warlord. You can however use STRATEGEMS to get additional relics on any detachment. so use the extra relic strategem for knight detachment and you get knight relics.


Thanks for the answer. Can you do the same trick for an auxillary detachment? Can you use Stratagems for those to with knights? IG codex says you can't use stratagems on auxillary detachments.
   
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Yes. Aux det is more restrictive than super heavy aux.

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I would probably drop a night and take 3 knights decked out and then add another cheap battallion of guard for the CP. You can do 2 Co Cmd and 3x bare sqs for 180 points. Take the relic to get extra CP. The Knights really need the CP to shine. So you are committing 360 points for 2 battalion of guard. Take the rest of the points for knights. Or if you drop the Dominus class you to a castellan you can still get 4. I really think having those 13 CP from the AM, as well as the troops for grabbing objectives is going to be vital.

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 Valkyrie wrote:
So if I'm correct the CP will go like this:

+3 for Battleforged
+6 for Knight detachment
+5 for Guard batallion

-1 for extra Relic
-1 for Knight character

=12

Is this correct?


Yup, right on. I would consider however taking 2 relics 1 WT on he knights to grab both cawls wrath and endless fury. Also, are your knights magnetised/swap arms? If so, you could consider two gallants and crusader rather than warden/errant/gallant. Also, you could try slipping in a primaris psyker for some psychic defence.
But otherwise it looks good

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I don't have the models for 2x Guard Battalions, my Guard army is mainly Russes in that regards. In terms of the Knights, 2 are magnetised, one is stuck with Melta/Chainsword, available weapons are 1x RFBC, 1x Melta, 1x Avenger, 1x Gauntlet, 2x Chainswords.

I think a Gallant is definitely necessary in a list like this, but taking 2 seems too much of a reduction in firepower.

For Warlord traits, Grand Strategist looks attractive, as I'm not too sure on the IK ones, I'd possibly take Landstrider on the Gallant but then that's my Warlord getting deep into enemy lines (while he's tough, I doubt he'd survive too long with all that firepower).
   
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It’s a knight you should be charging up the line with all but the Castilian crusader and helvren. Take advantage of the super heavy walker ability it keeps them from shooting and you get to do damage 2 times a turn, if not 3 if they don’t run away.

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 Neroku wrote:
It’s a knight you should be charging up the line with all but the Castilian crusader and helvren. Take advantage of the super heavy walker ability it keeps them from shooting and you get to do damage 2 times a turn, if not 3 if they don’t run away.


And even castellan has still those meltas and 12 stomp attacks you want to get in combat as long as there's not super threatening stuff where you are heading. Boldly move forward.

But getting all alone middle of enemy is less of a good thing. Which is why I'm not fan of T1 gallant charges. You get surrounded, isolated and generally T1 can only hope to charge cheap staff anyway.

But hanging back? That's not what knights generally be doing. Helverins are about only ones that make sense and even they will find time to time point where charge makes sense.

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