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I am facing Dark Eldar as my opponent.
My opponent has Incubi which are an "enemy."
Does my opponent suffer from their own Tormentor Helms?
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 MagicJuggler wrote:
I am facing Dark Eldar as my opponent.
My opponent has Incubi which are an "enemy."
Does my opponent suffer from their own Tormentor Helms?
You're starting to push it now Magic. This isn't poorly worded. The BRB clearly defines what friendly and enemy models are.
   
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You're right. In the same army (my army), they're friendly, but in a different army (my opponent's army), they're enemies.

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Enemy means enemy from the point of view of the unit taking the morale test, which is the subject in the sentence.
   
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His helms only affect his opponents units. aka.. you.
   
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What if both players have Incubi? Your unit's special rule triggers when your opponent takes a test, but he's then within 6" of his own INCUBI?

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And what if it's a Dark Eldar threesome?
   
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 MagicJuggler wrote:
And what if it's a Dark Eldar threesome?


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 Quanar wrote:
What if both players have Incubi? Your unit's special rule triggers when your opponent takes a test, but he's then within 6" of his own INCUBI?

No. His units are not enemy units to his Incubi.
   
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 alextroy wrote:
No. His units are not enemy units to his Incubi.
Bleh, missed a word in the rule, my apologies.
   
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Players A, B, and C each have an Incubi unit.
Incubi unit A is within 6" of Incubi units B and C.
Incubi unit A has to take a Morale test, and rolls equal.
Can B and C both say Tormentor Helms come into play? It technically is not a buff or debuff so stacking is debatably inapplicable. "One model flees the unit" does not have an "instead" qualifier, so it could be argued that two units flee.

PS: How would this interact with Mob Rule's second clause (or a Commissar)? Tormentor Helms says the unit must test on its own Ld. Does this preclude the unit from using the Ld of another unit?

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For a three way game, aren't you pretty much getting into house rule territory anyway to handle a lot of things?

   
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 MagicJuggler wrote:
Players A, B, and C each have an Incubi unit.
Incubi unit A is within 6" of Incubi units B and C.
Incubi unit A has to take a Morale test, and rolls equal.
Can B and C both say Tormentor Helms come into play? It technically is not a buff or debuff so stacking is debatably inapplicable. "One model flees the unit" does not have an "instead" qualifier, so it could be argued that two units flee.

PS: How would this interact with Mob Rule's second clause (or a Commissar)? Tormentor Helms says the unit must test on its own Ld. Does this preclude the unit from using the Ld of another unit?


The Incubi helmet does not stack, it just plays into effect if "any" Incubi are within 6". In a 1v1 scenario, 2 Incubi units within 6" of a unit will not stack their effects, neither will 2 Incubi units of different armies.

If it says that the unit must test on its own Ld than it cannot use the Ld of other units. The Mob rule affects the unit's own Ld so would be unaffected by the helm. Likewise, a Commissar does not extend its own Ld, but can affect the Morale test of the unit in question and is not affected (unless Commissars extend Ld, Idk that they do). A Dark Apostle shares its Ld 9 with everyone within 6" and this would be canceled by the helm.

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