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Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

Hi i am joining or rather starting a blood bowl league. I was told that I needed to include fan favor in the team rooster, is this true? The reason I am asking is that it works very bad with my starting list.

I will be playing Khemri and they reasonable lists come in at 1000. Fan favor costs 10. This will severly handicap me. Do I need to buy it?

For those who wonder khemri has no better then agilaty 2. The list I am looking at is this:

4 Skeletons 160k
1 Blitz-Ras 90k
2 Thro-Ras 140k
4 Tomb Guardians 400k
3 Rerolls 210k
Total 1 Million

Read more: TV1000 Khemri Starting Roster http://bbtactics.com/tv1000-khemri-starting-roster/

There is no clear consensuss on Khemir lists, but the above give me a lot of re-rolls. And the 2nd blitzer can come later.

Or perhaps this list:

4- Tomb Guardians 400k
2- Throw Ra’s 140k
2- Blitz Ra’s 180k
3- Skeletons 120k
2 re-rolls 140k

980 k

Then I can have 2 fan favors. But only 2! Re-rolls.

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Made in ca
Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard






Vancouver, BC

Better off saving the cash for an igor or another reroll on the second list. Fan factor isnt very important anymore, and you get it naturally from wins and ties,

The first list is probably better, since another reroll will cost you 140k later, rather than the Blitz-ra who will cost 90k, which you should get after two or three games.

 warboss wrote:
Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
 
   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

Thanks.

How important is the blitzer? It seems like you are much safer with 2 'block' on models, then the re-roll. But i suppose the 4 S5 can weight up for that.


   
Made in de
Longtime Dakkanaut





 Niiai wrote:
Hi i am joining or rather starting a blood bowl league. I was told that I needed to include fan favor in the team rooster, is this true? The reason I am asking is that it works very bad with my starting list.

I will be playing Khemri and they reasonable lists come in at 1000. Fan favor costs 10. This will severly handicap me. Do I need to buy it?

For those who wonder khemri has no better then agilaty 2. The list I am looking at is this:

4 Skeletons 160k
1 Blitz-Ras 90k
2 Thro-Ras 140k
4 Tomb Guardians 400k
3 Rerolls 210k
Total 1 Million

Read more: TV1000 Khemri Starting Roster http://bbtactics.com/tv1000-khemri-starting-roster/

There is no clear consensuss on Khemir lists, but the above give me a lot of re-rolls. And the 2nd blitzer can come later.

Or perhaps this list:

4- Tomb Guardians 400k
2- Throw Ra’s 140k
2- Blitz Ra’s 180k
3- Skeletons 120k
2 re-rolls 140k

980 k

Then I can have 2 fan favors. But only 2! Re-rolls.


In older editions of the game you needed at least one fan factor otherwise your team would be illegal but I am not familiar with the newest ruleset. Just take a look in the rulebook.
   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

I currently have no acess to the rulebook. That is why I am asking. The one organising it said I needed one, but I do not know if it is prefgerense or not.

   
Made in de
Longtime Dakkanaut





 Niiai wrote:
I currently have no acess to the rulebook. That is why I am asking. The one organising it said I needed one, but I do not know if it is prefgerense or not.


Then you have to bite the bullet and invest some cash for your loyal fans.
   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

So the orgeniser said he has not actually seen the current rules. Do you know if we need to stat with 1 fan favour there?

   
Made in us
Battlefield Tourist




MN (Currently in WY)

If the organizer says you do.... you do. The rules do not matter after that as the organizer gets final say on what is required to play in THEIR league.

That is my take on it without even opening a rulebook.

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Made in us
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot





Los Angeles, CA, USA

Under the current rules you can have a team with fan factor 0. If the event organizer says you have to have at least one, then follow his house rules.
   
Made in ca
Junior Officer with Laspistol





London, Ontario

You could probably get away with one Thrower. With crap AG you won't be passing much anyhow.

You could probably take the extra turn to advanc the ball, if it lands poorly. You'll catch up to the blockers quickly enough. Block is the single most important skill for a bashy team. You cut your failure rate in half *per die* which pays huge dividends in throwing more blocks per turn.
   
Made in no
Longtime Dakkanaut





 Strg Alt wrote:

In older editions of the game you needed at least one fan factor otherwise your team would be illegal but I am not familiar with the newest ruleset. Just take a look in the rulebook.

Those must be very old rules, I've played periodically since Blood Bowl 1 came on pc and there's no such rule anymore (played before that too but don't remember much details or which version it was).

Fan factor is really useful now for getting sponsorships. An optional rule that has been available for a long time is all teams start with 5 fan factor. If you're not interested in sponsorships, fan factor is basically just bloat, almost like cheer leaders and assistant coaches. Very situational. Not something to spend money on if there's anything else the team need.

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Made in de
Longtime Dakkanaut





Baxx wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:

In older editions of the game you needed at least one fan factor otherwise your team would be illegal but I am not familiar with the newest ruleset. Just take a look in the rulebook.

Those must be very old rules, I've played periodically since Blood Bowl 1 came on pc and there's no such rule anymore (played before that too but don't remember much details or which version it was).

Fan factor is really useful now for getting sponsorships. An optional rule that has been available for a long time is all teams start with 5 fan factor. If you're not interested in sponsorships, fan factor is basically just bloat, almost like cheer leaders and assistant coaches. Very situational. Not something to spend money on if there's anything else the team need.


BB Handbook, 1994, p.16:
Your team must have a fan factor of at least 1, and may not have a fan factor of higher than 9.

Nah, 1994 is not that old. Feels to me like last month.
   
Made in no
Longtime Dakkanaut





Wow you certainly started playing a long time ago! May I ask how long since you played last?
   
Made in de
Longtime Dakkanaut





Baxx wrote:
Wow you certainly started playing a long time ago! May I ask how long since you played last?


May I ask when you started to play BB?
   
Made in no
Longtime Dakkanaut





Early 2000s.
   
Made in de
Longtime Dakkanaut





Geez, that´s pretty late. So you never had the opportunity to have a game on astrogranite. You missed out on a lot of good stuff. I started to play in 1988 and have still fond memories of the old gameplay. Special mention goes to the campaign system that was VERY elaborate and took a lot of bookkeeping. Compared to now the game lost a lot of the over the top violence. Back in the day chainsaws were very brutal. If you decapitated (yes, that was possible) an opponent, you could score a touchdown with the severed head and claim a team reroll. There were actual tokens for severed heads in the BB Companion book.

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Made in no
Longtime Dakkanaut





 Strg Alt wrote:
Geez, that´s pretty late. So you never had the opportunity to have a game on astrogranite. You missed out on a lot of good stuff. I started to play in 1988 and have still fond memories of the old gameplay. Special mention goes to the campaign system that was VERY elaborate and took a lot of bookkeeping. Compared to now the game lost a lot of the over the top violence. Back in the day chainsaws were very brutal. If you decapitated (yes, that was possible) an opponent, you could score a touchdown with the severed head and claim a team reroll. There were actual tokens for severed heads in the BB Companion book.

Sure I've played on astrogranite on many occasions. I got my first teams here on dakka, the dwarves are from '88, the wood elves are 3rd edition I believe, 1994 or so.



You can play all sorts of Stadiums now, Astrogranite, Ankle-deep water, sloping pitch, icy, uneven footing, solid stone. All sorts of effects, apathetic officials, appaling stands, uncovered trapdoors, unclear markings, poorly built dungeons, integrated merchandise stalls, broadcast studio, enclosed pith. Fans can be difficult with ale-fuelled maniacs, know-it-all hecklers, bunch of pacifists, fair weather fans or simply solemn and silent. You can even become resident of the stadium and eventually buy it.

There's also plenty of crazy match events happening, like chaos magic making two balls in stead of one, abusive fans, camra crashing onto the pitch, burning barrels, enchanted ball, sprinkler malfunction, magical interference, total darkness, tumbling timber, weather mage, wish daemon, wild squig let loose on the pitch, dwarf grudge chants, stonebread vendors, a gyrocopter crashing on the pitch (!), rat swarms and warpstone meteor.

If that isn't enough, there's 125 special event cards currently. 23 different inducements, including 3 wizards, one of which can turn a player into a frog! With Leap and Very Long Legs of course. A player can also be turned into a spawn. You got team-specific coaching staff like Fink Da Fixer, Krot Shockwhisker, Papa Skullbones and even Skaven Warlock Engineer.

Blood Bowl has always been a dirty game, and now you can use illegal balls, different for each team. Goblin got 3 including a bomb-ball, a snotling in a ball-suit, dwarves can replace the ball for what is essentially a rock (don't fail to catch!), orcs can replace the ball with a limpin' squig...

You can also have famous named referees like Jorm The Ogre or the completely incompetent Halfling Trundlefoot Triplets.

There's more teams now than ever, with Khorne and Bretonnia brought in from the digital versions and alternate versions of existing teams like Savage Orcs, Human Nobility, Pestilent Vermin team and Slayer Dwarf team. Almost 80 unique star players. All of which can become rostered part of your team as long as you can pay them.

You can play legendary teams like the Bright Crusaders, Warpfire Wanderers, Orcland Raiders, Greenboyz, Chaos All-Stars, Underworld Creepers, Grudge Bearers and Celestial Comets. All with unique special rules per team.

In addition to the standard kick-off table, there's a new crazy Blitzmania kick-off table. In addition to the standard weather table, there's winter weather table, subterranean stadium conditions, waterlogged stadium conditions and frozen pitch. More is coming soon for Chaos and Dark Elves pitches (including a giant squid).

Of course everything is compatible with the previous edition, so you're free to keep any optional league rules or house rules, even the previous special play cards. Now there's also more new optional rules for those who want to experiment.

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Made in de
Longtime Dakkanaut





My reference to astrogranite meant the three part board from 1988 which was made of grey polystyrene. I am on friendly terms with the local GW staff and have introduced several people via demo games (LRB 5.0) to this sports game. They play with one of my teams and all of them have at least a fan factor of 1 though LRB 5.0 doesn´t stae that this is mandatory anymore. Old habits (1994 fan facor rules) die hard.

BB is imo the best game GW ever produced. All hail Jervis Johnson! But there is no commitment from GW to BB. I tried to get the goblin ref and the GW staff told me the mini was unavailable. Minis for coaches, assistant coaches, apothecary and whatnot are also not for sale. Then there is the problem with the booster packs. Teams are released with only 12 players and it takes years for GW to provide the booster to complete the teams. I guess the human booster is now available at last.

All of this new stuff sounds great. The problem is that BB doesn´t include Space Marines. Everybody and his dog loves Space Marines in my area. They play 40K in the local GW store religiously. Sure some of the guys/gals try other games like Blood Bowl but they just play it once or twice and then lose interest. I was very lucky to find another person to play Necromunda on a regular basis and we have now two campaign games under our belt. Therefore it would be a waste of my money to buy the latest edition of BB with all it´s great new additional stuff.

Why do people only play it once or twice? Most of them find it too difficult. Some of them never understand the Blocking rules which are the greatest hurdle. I can explain it to them slowly four or five times with no improvement whatsoever. And I have to remain very cool otherwise I could explode. It is not rocket science after all. The most appaling demo game that I can remember went like this: A couple played against each other and the girl scored a touchdown in the 7th turn. Then suddenly the boy ragequitted the game and stated that he never liked sports games. WTF! Someone had a very fragile ego right there. But there were also nice demo games after which the two participants went away with a huge smile on their face. Sometimes you get the right people and on other occasions you don´t.
   
Made in no
Longtime Dakkanaut





 Strg Alt wrote:
But there is no commitment from GW to BB. I tried to get the goblin ref and the GW staff told me the mini was unavailable. Minis for coaches, assistant coaches, apothecary and whatnot are also not for sale. Then there is the problem with the booster packs. Teams are released with only 12 players and it takes years for GW to provide the booster to complete the teams. I guess the human booster is now available at last.

I would say the contrary. There is/was extreme commitment by GW to BB. We've gotten sooooooo much since November 2016. It was an incredibly slow start, but a lot of stuff happen 1 year ago. Minis for cheerleaders have been leaked so we can expect that some time in the future. GW has just bombarded us with new content, some of it I mentioned in the previous post.

This is what I got so far:

-Humans (missing booster pack), Bright Crusaders (missing booster pack), Orcs (missing booster pack), Orcland Raiders (missing booster pack), Goblins (missing booster pack & 2nd troll), Chaos (complete team), Dwarves (complete team), Skaven (complete team), Renegades (incomplete), Underworld (complete team), Elven Union (missing booster pack)
-Dice/pitch/tokens/cards for all released teams
-Various star players
-Goblin & Halfling ref
-winter pitch
-loads of new rules, star players, inducements, special play cards, special balls, Blitzmania, pitch weather tables, Death Zone 1 & 2

This is quite a commitment! Keep in mind it's a fairly small group of people in Forge World's Specialist Games team that work with this. About the Halfling and Goblin Refs, they were always stated as being limited time only. To bad you missed it. It pays off to pay attention. I will agree the release schedule is somewhat slow and random. Some times we get a lot of new content, then there's many months without anything. Getting the additional fluff models like refs, star players and coaching staff is something that is widely available through 3rd party studios, so not something that is really urgent or a priority to get from GW.

If you want, you can also play as much blood bowl as you want online, but the digital version unfortunately only covers the previous edition so none of the new stuff is there. I had variable success teaching friends blood bowl. I found the assist to be the most difficult, as you say, you can explain it over and over again, but in the end some people will give up.

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Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka






GW have never made miniatures for the coaching staff, and cheerleaders were only available for some of the late 80s 2nd edition teams (no Skaven or undead cheerleaders, for example). The Halfling and goblin referees were only available for a short period, but the rules are still available.
   
 
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