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 Kanluwen wrote:
So it looks like if I want to play Enforcers, I won't need that book?

The Enforcer rules were released 3 months ago in the Book of Judgement.
   
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But they'll be in this new rulebook.

Will they be different?

   
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 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Sticker shock is a thing and boy is it bad here. Also GW really needs to consolidate all these different rules into one place. It's almost as if an app where you could buy and store all rule sources into one area in a well laid out and clean format is a good idea.

I made that. Well, pdf, not app. I don't think GW is able/willing to do the same.
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But they'll be in this new rulebook.

Will they be different?

It would be a missed opportunity if they didn't make random changes to stats and costs.


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 cuda1179 wrote:
I still think it's odd that many of these models haven't gotten 40k rules. Many of the people I've talked to would LOVE to have a unit of them attached to another army in a friendly game of 40k.

If they already are fans of the 40k universe and like Necromunda models, it is madness that they don't simply play Necromunda!

All gangs could be used in 40k ca 15 years ago, but they were all reduced to a mediocre imperial guard unit almost without any options.

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Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

Didn't the Armageddon Codex from a million years ago let Hive Militia units take plasma cannons?

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Altruizine wrote:
I agree with the "glass" part, but not so much the "cannon."
Fair enough.

But it's like the GSC rules were written before they started giving multiple wounds to gang champs. They're all W1 and it's annoying.

I think that doofy statline came out of their weird obsession with keeping things uniform across different games. They looked at Acolytes in 40K and saw one wound, so that's what they gave them in Necromunda.

I've never done a detailed comparison myself (and quit 40K, so don't have the new GSC book) but my understanding was that all the Cult units in Necromunda had their 40K statlines transferred over exactly (with additions for the mental stats that don't exist in 40K).

Which would be an insane decision, if that's indeed what they were thinking. The only way to make sense of Necromunda statlines is to consider them relative to the setting, otherwise you get Van Saar meatshields who are equal marksmen to Astartes.
   
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Probably because no one at the studio like playing with bomber acolyte with Demo charge.

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I am normally not for Necromunda, and just today really stumbled onto it.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/07/bring-ruin-to-the-underhivegw-homepage-post-2fw-homepage-post-3/

Also, i feel trolled, there are better more indepth chaos cultists rules there then the FW index provides

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Who would win:
10'000 + years of veterancy, or some raidy Boys?
(Not Online in regards to the new Red Corsair battalion CP boost.) 
   
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The possibilities are really intriguing. I’d love to see some Genestealer Delaque kitbashes (or Cawdor, with the mutations almost hidden by masks and rags).
   
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I recall reading that the Genestealer upgrade heads fit on the Orlock models, and I'm sure I've seen people use them with Cawdor more than once as well as mix in some of the acolyte/neophyte bits considering you can hide the arm/body connections under the robes.

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Looks like Corpse Grinder Cult got a new, unique compact versions of existing weapons. Chain glaive and heavy flamer only takes up a single weapon slot?

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 Starfarer wrote:
Voss wrote:


I suspect $150 would have gotten people quite excited.
As we've seen, doubling again just reasonably makes people go


At $150 I would have bought 3 to 4 sets. At $290 I'm buying none. For me it isn't a matter of affordability, it's a matter of principle. The pricing is veering into games console territory as someone earlier mentioned. At that price point the value proposition just isn't there.

Additionally, this puts me off from wanting to buy any GW products going forward. For decades I've become acclimated to the gradual price increases. Put a frog in water and slowly get it to boil and they don't notice. Throw them in a boiling pot... They're gonna feel the burn. GW just threw us in the boiling pot and I'm not liking the burn.

After 25 years of supporting GW, I think I may have reached my limit.


I am exactly in the same boat, always was ordering all the box sets, limited edition sets etc. but after seeing the price hikes for Blood of Phoenix (which i wanted but not at 230 as i have almost everything in the box, Feast of Bones... at 195 with same dull ogre poses and a price hike. Then this at $290, the terrain is so limited it isn't funny for a ZM board you would easily need 2-3 sets. In all honesty that terrain would be super easy to 3d print for pennies on the dollar.

GW has priced me out of their product at almost 20 years myself as well. I cannot justify the prices, and honestly feel foolish I have done so for so long looking back. Just as the OP stated i feel like I was getting boiled (great analogy) The pure fact of being in the USA and getting a almost 30 percent price over what europeans are paying when the pound plummitted is hard to look at, and most people still don't understand that GW makes their own conversion rate based off the price of the pound in the 90's. We should be able to be getting stuff at a steal that europeans get it yet can't even take advantage of the economic situation.

As I have been told, people will only treat you the way you let them. As a loyal customer, I am tired of the way GW treats us. My salary is already stretched with having a limited gaming budget and these prices and continual rises is enough for this plastic crack head to seek rehab.
   
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WarCom terrain article is up!
   
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 Altruizine wrote:

I hope one of those Dramatis Personae (Abomination of Badzone 12?) is a full-fledged genestealer.


According to Andy Hoare the ”Abomination of Badzone 12” is a city block sized Cthulhu which might be represented by ”ogre sized” tentacle-minis...

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 kendoka wrote:
 Altruizine wrote:

I hope one of those Dramatis Personae (Abomination of Badzone 12?) is a full-fledged genestealer.


According to Andy Hoare the ”Abomination of Badzone 12” is a city block sized Cthulhu which might be represented by ”ogre sized” tentacle-minis...


It's a big chaos spawn, you will only see part of it in miniature form.

   
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I want to see the backside of those floor tiles. If GW is as smart as they have been with the terrain design, they'll have put holes on the backside of the tiles that the sector mechanicus supports can register into.
   
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Hopefully the rest of the Dramatis Personae articles pop up online. Love reading about the notable characters of the Underhive.
   
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The new box has 12 pillars and 24” worth of wall. By comparison, One of each of the 8 old resin tiles would net you 84” of wall and 23 pillars. So a dark uprising box provides about the same number of pillars as 4 resin tiles, but only half the number of walls. Pillars aren’t that much different from 2” walls, so you could also view it as Dark Uprising having 48” of wall, and 8 resin tiles having 130” of wall. So if you had 2 boxes of Dark Uprising, you’d have less than 75% of the coverage of the old tiles.

This is discounting the value of the stairs, platforms, doorways, pipes, obstacles, etc.
   
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Erren wrote:
So if you had 2 boxes of Dark Uprising, you’d have less than 75% of the coverage of the old tiles.


What an absolute disappointment this release is turning out to be.

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IMHO: Plastic > resin > MDF > Cardboard

I love the new release, although expensive it is probably the best terrain kit ever. Both modular and good looking.
   
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Erren wrote:
So if you had 2 boxes of Dark Uprising, you’d have less than 75% of the coverage of the old tiles.
Not to defend GW here, because screw them, but Dark Uprising is a Necromunda box set. There are Necromunda things in the box that you are paying for, such as dice, templates, models, rulebooks, tokens, and so on. The actual terrain, as released separately, will likely be cheaper. How much cheaper remains to be seen. To be on the safe side, bring extra lube and go to your happy place.
   
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I have ordered four sets, was gonna just order two but I heard on the grapevine it's limited run like warcry was
   
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angel of death 007 wrote:
 Starfarer wrote:
Voss wrote:


I suspect $150 would have gotten people quite excited.
As we've seen, doubling again just reasonably makes people go


At $150 I would have bought 3 to 4 sets. At $290 I'm buying none. For me it isn't a matter of affordability, it's a matter of principle. The pricing is veering into games console territory as someone earlier mentioned. At that price point the value proposition just isn't there.

Additionally, this puts me off from wanting to buy any GW products going forward. For decades I've become acclimated to the gradual price increases. Put a frog in water and slowly get it to boil and they don't notice. Throw them in a boiling pot... They're gonna feel the burn. GW just threw us in the boiling pot and I'm not liking the burn.

After 25 years of supporting GW, I think I may have reached my limit.


I am exactly in the same boat, always was ordering all the box sets, limited edition sets etc. but after seeing the price hikes for Blood of Phoenix (which i wanted but not at 230 as i have almost everything in the box, Feast of Bones... at 195 with same dull ogre poses and a price hike. Then this at $290, the terrain is so limited it isn't funny for a ZM board you would easily need 2-3 sets. In all honesty that terrain would be super easy to 3d print for pennies on the dollar.

GW has priced me out of their product at almost 20 years myself as well. I cannot justify the prices, and honestly feel foolish I have done so for so long looking back. Just as the OP stated i feel like I was getting boiled (great analogy) The pure fact of being in the USA and getting a almost 30 percent price over what europeans are paying when the pound plummitted is hard to look at, and most people still don't understand that GW makes their own conversion rate based off the price of the pound in the 90's. We should be able to be getting stuff at a steal that europeans get it yet can't even take advantage of the economic situation.

As I have been told, people will only treat you the way you let them. As a loyal customer, I am tired of the way GW treats us. My salary is already stretched with having a limited gaming budget and these prices and continual rises is enough for this plastic crack head to seek rehab.


Not that I'm 100% done with GW, but I'm certainly done chasing the new releases in the way I have for the past few years.

I've taken a step back, evaluated the piles of untouched plastic I have, started selling a bunch of it online and recouping some of those funds for whatever else I want that's not GW hobby related.

I got rid of all but one 40k army, and I have more kill team factions than I have realistic time to play with, and I sold most of my unbuilt Necromunda gangs. Im also debating whether or not to keep my unopened Warcry set.

But I still have more than enough models and terrain to play all these games without making another purchase if I want.

Part of my issue is that for quite awhile I've had enough disposable income to get whatever I've wanted and not cringe too much at the prices. But this is such a jump it's sort of snapped me out of that. So for me at least I now have a few thousand I've recouped from selling off stuff and still have a reasonable amount of models and terrain left to use. But I'm done with the blind consumption of whatever is new from GW.

You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
 
   
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 Sqorgar wrote:
Erren wrote:
So if you had 2 boxes of Dark Uprising, you’d have less than 75% of the coverage of the old tiles.
Not to defend GW here, because screw them, but Dark Uprising is a Necromunda box set. There are Necromunda things in the box that you are paying for, such as dice, templates, models, rulebooks, tokens, and so on. The actual terrain, as released separately, will likely be cheaper. How much cheaper remains to be seen. To be on the safe side, bring extra lube and go to your happy place.



And from GW's website and the box contents we can make a good estimate of the retail cost of many of the components, and it's $271.99:

Enforcers .......................... $42 (price of every 10 man gang)
Corpse Grinder Cult.......... $60 (estimate because this is a 15 man unit rather than 10)
Gang Cards (2 set) .......... $30
Gang Dice (2 sets) ........... $30
Barricades & Objectives ... $35
Promethium Relay Pipes . $35
Digital Rulebook ............... $39.99 (cheapest way to buy the rules)

So adding $20 to that for 15 sprues of ZM terrain is a pretty good deal.

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frankr wrote:

And from GW's website and the box contents we can make a good estimate of the retail cost of many of the components, and it's $271.99:

Enforcers .......................... $42 (price of every 10 man gang)
Corpse Grinder Cult.......... $60 (estimate because this is a 15 man unit rather than 10)
Gang Cards (2 set) .......... $30
Gang Dice (2 sets) ........... $30
Barricades & Objectives ... $35
Promethium Relay Pipes . $35
Digital Rulebook ............... $39.99 (cheapest way to buy the rules)

So adding $20 to that for 15 sprues of ZM terrain is a pretty good deal.
Let's use Underhive as the basis of out pricing instead:

2 gangs, 2 gang cards, 2 dice sets, tokens, templates, barricades & objectives, bulkhead doors, rulebook, tiles - $125.

What does Dark Uprising have that Underhive doesn't have? The plastic terrain and 10 more miniatures. So, that accounts for roughly $165 of this new box's price of $290. Got to be honest. I don't really feel like the value is there. And if this box is considered a discount... how much is the non-discounted version?!

GW has lost their freaking minds recently with regard to pricing, so I would be surprised if, in their diseased minds, the price of this box isn't based on whatever imaginary value increase they've decided to add to everything. So, you may think a box of Corpsegrinder Cult will be $42, but GW is going to charge $65. I mean, they are charging $35 for a sheet of decals and $15 for Zone Mortalis bases (which used to be $7).


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Obispudkenobi wrote:
I have ordered four sets, was gonna just order two but I heard on the grapevine it's limited run like warcry was
I have never called another poster a "shill" before in my life, but looking through your (short) post history after seeing this comment... You just praise/defend GW, mock GW's competitors, and complain about GW's detractors. If you aren't a shill, I'm not really sure how your post history would be different if you were.

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Obispudkenobi wrote:
I have ordered four sets, was gonna just order two but I heard on the grapevine it's limited run like warcry was


Thar she blows!!!

 Sqorgar wrote:
frankr wrote:

And from GW's website and the box contents we can make a good estimate of the retail cost of many of the components, and it's $271.99:

Enforcers .......................... $42 (price of every 10 man gang)
Corpse Grinder Cult.......... $60 (estimate because this is a 15 man unit rather than 10)
Gang Cards (2 set) .......... $30
Gang Dice (2 sets) ........... $30
Barricades & Objectives ... $35
Promethium Relay Pipes . $35
Digital Rulebook ............... $39.99 (cheapest way to buy the rules)

So adding $20 to that for 15 sprues of ZM terrain is a pretty good deal.
Let's use Underhive as the basis of out pricing instead:

2 gangs, 2 gang cards, 2 dice sets, tokens, templates, barricades & objectives, bulkhead doors, rulebook, tiles - $125.

What does Dark Uprising have that Underhive doesn't have? The plastic terrain and 10 more miniatures. So, that accounts for roughly $165 of this new box's price of $290. Got to be honest. I don't really feel like the value is there. And if this box is considered a discount... how much is the non-discounted version?!

GW has lost their freaking minds recently with regard to pricing, so I would be surprised if, in their diseased minds, the price of this box isn't based on whatever imaginary value increase they've decided to add to everything. So, you may think a box of Corpsegrinder Cult will be $42, but GW is going to charge $65. I mean, they are charging $35 for a sheet of decals and $15 for Zone Mortalis bases (which used to be $7).



And that's only *if* you actually want everything that's in there...
   
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$165 for 15 sprues of terrain is a great deal by GW's pricing. The Sector Imperialis Basilicanum is 7 frames for $100.

I think one of the real issues is that a frame of ZM terrain just doesn't cover that much of the board.
   
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I wonder if this boxed set will end up being limited. It seems straight to have a limited edition starter box, but GW has done it before. Honestly if they just rerelease the original starter with these two gangs and this book and kept everything else the same (with a bit of a mark up for the extra models/ better rulebook....say 150 usd) I think it would be a lot more successful at getting new players to try it out.


 
   
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 Sqorgar wrote:
frankr wrote:

And from GW's website and the box contents we can make a good estimate of the retail cost of many of the components, and it's $271.99:

Enforcers .......................... $42 (price of every 10 man gang)
Corpse Grinder Cult.......... $60 (estimate because this is a 15 man unit rather than 10)
Gang Cards (2 set) .......... $30
Gang Dice (2 sets) ........... $30
Barricades & Objectives ... $35
Promethium Relay Pipes . $35
Digital Rulebook ............... $39.99 (cheapest way to buy the rules)

So adding $20 to that for 15 sprues of ZM terrain is a pretty good deal.
Let's use Underhive as the basis of out pricing instead:

2 gangs, 2 gang cards, 2 dice sets, tokens, templates, barricades & objectives, bulkhead doors, rulebook, tiles - $125.


The original box is heavily discounted over the individual parts; at around $254 to buy the components individually:
Escher Gang .............. $42
Goliath Gang ............. $42
Gang Cards (2 set) ....... $30
Gang Dice (2 sets) ....... $30
Doors & Bulkheads ........ $35
Barricades & Objectives .. $35
Digital Rulebook ......... $39.99


What does Dark Uprising have that Underhive doesn't have? The plastic terrain and 10 more miniatures. So, that accounts for roughly $165 of this new box's price of $290. Got to be honest. I don't really feel like the value is there. And if this box is considered a discount... how much is the non-discounted version?!


Actually I said $60 for the corpse grinder cult. And I wouldn't be surprised if 1/2 of the terrain is in the $100 range.

But no real point in discussing this; the price is what it is. and really talking about it does absolutely nothing to change that.

   
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Right behind you.

From the Product Infos:
Also included is a 128-page softback rulebook containing:
– Background on the rebellions that bubble under the surface of Necromunda and details of the fall of Hive Arcos
– The rules for playing games of Necromunda
– The Uprising Campaign – a complete narrative campaign featuring the desperate decline of a Hive
– Multiple scenarios that capture the feel of a Hive descending into lawlessness
– Rules for creating your own Enforcer Patrol or Corpse Grinder Cult gang
– Rules for all of the weapons and wargear available to gangs and fighters through their House Equipment lists
– Full list of all of the skills available to fighters


I don't know if there's stuff outside of their "House Equipment lists" that these guys would get, but that's what it says.
   
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frankr wrote:
 Sqorgar wrote:
Erren wrote:
So if you had 2 boxes of Dark Uprising, you’d have less than 75% of the coverage of the old tiles.
Not to defend GW here, because screw them, but Dark Uprising is a Necromunda box set. There are Necromunda things in the box that you are paying for, such as dice, templates, models, rulebooks, tokens, and so on. The actual terrain, as released separately, will likely be cheaper. How much cheaper remains to be seen. To be on the safe side, bring extra lube and go to your happy place.



And from GW's website and the box contents we can make a good estimate of the retail cost of many of the components, and it's $271.99:

Enforcers .......................... $42 (price of every 10 man gang)
Corpse Grinder Cult.......... $60 (estimate because this is a 15 man unit rather than 10)
Gang Cards (2 set) .......... $30
Gang Dice (2 sets) ........... $30
Barricades & Objectives ... $35
Promethium Relay Pipes . $35
Digital Rulebook ............... $39.99 (cheapest way to buy the rules)

So adding $20 to that for 15 sprues of ZM terrain is a pretty good deal.



Keep in mind you are getting HALF of a box of barricades, and HALF of a box of Plasma conduits...so drop $35 from that estimate.

Also, the new campaign rules are locked behind this limited release box, the Book of Ruin does not contain the new campaign rules, just a few follow-on/thematically related scenarios...

   
 
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